An editorial on Steve Williams

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Anyone who is still taking Steve Austin's side on this WWE is clearly in the wrong(or those who still believe it is a work). Here is what happened(and all of this info is from various reliable sources, from JR to Bruce Mitchell of the Torch to Meltzer, etc.): It all started when Austin's ex wife moved to England with his daughters and he didn't see them anymore. I am sure that is very hard to go through. Then he was pissed aboiut not headlining Wrestlemania, like he has to headline every event EVER. That is when he started bitching when Vince finally decided to not have him headline EVERY SHOW. Look back since 98. Since Steve Austin has been THE GUY, he has HEADLINED EVERY SHOW he has been on until 2002. ALL OF THEM. Even when ROCK was passing him, they always pushed ROCK to the midcard and kept Austin on top. And Austin vs Rikishi counts as the headliner for No Mercy 2000 because that show drew a big number for Austin first match back(they just put it on in the middle because it was a screwjob and they decided to end the show with the Angle-ROCK title change). In fact, Wrestlemania 2002 was the first show since 98 that Steve Austin was NOT THE FOCAL POINT AND THE MAIN EVENT. Is it a coincidence that Austin started being pissed at the company at this point? FUCKING SELFISH PRICK. Speaking of selfish, funny how Austin uses politics to turn babyface after Survivor Series WITHOUT PUTTING ANYONE OVER FROM HIS HEEL RUN. He should have been a face  since the heel run flopped but they needed closure to the heel run. He sure put Angle over, right, with that cheap win he gave Angle in Pittsburgh with his arm on the ropes. Or how ROCK finally pinned him in the 10 man but not before Kurt Angle did a run in.In 4 years(3 of which he was active), WRESTLEMANIA 2002(18) was the first show that he was not THE MAIN EVENT and suddenly he is pissed at creative. Then he is pissed the NWO is coming in and that ROCK vs HOGAN was going to be ran instead of Austin vs ROCK, which doesn't work as a babyface vs babyface SEMI MAIN EVENT because JERICHO and HHH was the planned main event, though ROCK and Hogan became bigger. Austin then gets jealous that Vince isn't solely kissing his ass anymore and is now giving attention to Hogan and others. He then no shows the annual biggest RAW of the year in MOntreal the day after Mania. No shows TV's and house shows for 2 weeks as a powerplay because he knows WWF(at the time WWF) needed him to launch the split. Vince finally gets him back and puts him in a program with Undertaker, who Austin wanted to work with. BTW,for all of the talk of Austin being mad at creative, he was mad because they turned down his requests of renewing programs with VINCE AND TAKER, the 2 most overdone feuds in the company. Very CREATIVE, STeve! Undertaker goes over Austin at the PPV and Austin is now feuding with Flair. Hates that he was midcard at Judgment DAY and DEMANDS to work with Eddie Guerrero AND CHRIS BENOIT. So they hotshot the Benoit angle into one night(instead of drawing it out) and now EDDIE is fucked as a potential top guy because Austin is gone. Benoit will probably benefit from this bigtime and get an Austin like push(sort of the same character but without the beer). AS said on Confidential(and according to all reports, Vince was telling the truth aboutthe early morning call happening), Austin and Vince had a BIG BLOWUP on the phone early Monday morning(actually Vince made the conversation out to be more peaceful than it was)and Austin showed up at TV then left. This isn't the first time Austin no shows events in protest in which he was the MAIN performer that the show was promoted around. Now, Austin is beating his wife(Debra has no reason to lie about it in hopes of getting a divorce and his money because Austin made her sign a prenup, plus Debra is set financially from her marriage with Steve McMichael) and has completely lost his mind due to various reasons. Even Bret Hart didn't lose his mind like this.

 

 

Bottom line, WHAT, yeah I said bottom line, is that Steve Austin is DONE, DONE, DONE in the wrestling business because WWE is the wrestling business right now and his bridge is burnt. He blew it. Instead of retiring with dignity, he is turning into the new Ultimate Warrior. He let his success get to his head and he became the biggest egomaniac in the history of the business( think about this, how many guys in WWF/WWE history has just no showed house shows in which they were the top draw and leave Live TV's that they were to be the focal point of). Never see Hogan no show house shows. Only guys I can think of leaving one of Vince's live TV shows in which they were focal points were Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart after their backstage fight in Hartford. And like Vince said on TV tonight, he cannot take the risk of bringing Austin back because he may just walk out again, except maybe at a Wrestlemania next time.Never say never but don't expect him back. Steve Williams has personal problems he has to attend to. Austin hated Hogan but has become 100 times worse. He hated Hogan because he was jealous of him. He took that anger and became the biggest star ever, even bigger than Hogan(though not for as long). Except one thing, Hogan is a professional. Anyone ever hear of Hogan no showing ANYTHING.I'm no Hogan fan but Hogan does business, especially when working for Vince because he respects him. Austin is not a professional. He pissed on every fan who ever paid money to see him and could care less about the fans. IF he did care, he would not be no showing house shows in which he was the main event.

 

Good riddance , Steve, you won't be missed. Other guys will take your spot. Just like you replaced Bret Hart, you too will be replaced. And the guy that replaces you will be replaced. You are not bigger than the business Steve. No one is!

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'm going to bed but before I do I just want to say your editorial is the BIGGEST pile of horse shit I've read all day. Thank you for the laughs.

 

 

Good Night.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Funny, what is not accurate about the post. The truth hurts the smart marks, most of which are dumb(NOT ALL but too many think they just know everything, all of my info is based on info confirmed from the top sources in the business), the smart marks are hypocrites who trash Kevin Nash, HHH, and XPAC(and rightfully so at times, not always) but are giving Austin a pass on this.

[Guest wolverine]

"Benoit will probably benefit from this bigtime and get an Austin like push(sort of the same character but without the beer)."

 

Word.

[Guest art_vandelay]

<<No one is! >>

 

Correction.  Vince is.

 

I started out the day as a supporter of Austin and his rebellious acts towards shitty writing.  After view Confidential, I became partial to the WWE's views, but decided to stay on the fence until I have heard both sides of the story.  But after learning about this shit with him beating his wife... how can anyone support him for anything he does.  If this is a huge plan to turn Austin into a heel (and I know it isn't, you don't need to say it), they've just completed their objective.

 

I'll always respect him as a performer.  I'm not so sure about him as a person, though.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Funny, what is not accurate about the post. The truth hurts the smart marks, most of which are dumb(NOT ALL but too many think they just know everything, all of my info is based on info confirmed from the top sources in the business), the smart marks are hypocrites who trash Kevin Nash, HHH, and XPAC(and rightfully so at times, not always) but are giving Austin a pass on this.

I haven't seen a single person here give austin a 'pass'.

 

What Austin did was wrong, but for fuck's sake you can't just heap all the blame on the man! Fuck.

 

And you can't just go Austin walked out but Hogan never did. Hogan got his every fucking wish, not to mention Hogan only wrestled once a fucking month it seemed like.

 

Austin is the biggest draw in the history of the sport.period. To think his departure won't have an adverse effect on the WWE is assine.

 

If anyone is being a typical smart mark it's you. Your sitting back in your fucking chair pushing your glasses up and snorting in glee as you fucking place the blame on one person while refusing to look at the big picture.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

You are right. Austin is the biggest draw ever.But he was hurting the product. He wasn't happy working with anyone except Taker and Vince and those were DEAD programs. He was not motivated and wouldn't put anybody over. Bret Hart put Steve Austin over. Name one guy in a 4 year run on top(3 active) that Steve Austin PUT OVER. The closest he got to putting someone over was Benoit. And no showing house shows and leaving TV's is just unprofessional. As for Austin leaving, long term it will be a good thing because Vince is NOW FORCED TO CREATE NEW STARS. Also, look at WWE BIG STARS of the past that Vince has created, it goes from Hogan to Austin to ROCK as Austin became bigger than Hogan and now ROCK is bigger than Austin due to his movie career. No doubt someone else could become bigger than Austin. It isn't a guarantee to happen but it is very possible.

[Guest]

But he was hurting the product. He wasn't happy working with anyone except Taker and Vince and those were DEAD programs.

 

And what exactly was wrong with that? seems like you're only agreeing with Austin being pissed...

 

Name one guy in a 4 year run on top(3 active) that Steve Austin PUT OVER.

 

Here, I'll name a FEW.

HHH (No Way Out 2001), Chris Jericho (He had to cheat to win to beat him at KOTR 2001, and jobbed to him at NWO 2001), Kurt Angle (He didn't lose the belt, but he gave every fan the impression that anyday Kurt Angle could have beat him, which got Angle over), Kane (who was Kane's first feud? whose ass did Kane destroy in that first blood match KOTR 98? exactly)

 

Vince was going to have to be forced to create new stars anyway what with Taker and Hogan and a limping HHH at the top. Austin was/is a proven draw that valued wrestling more than ROCK ever did (And stop putting his fuckin name in capital letters. I can read it just fine as The Rock.)

 

Austin never had a movie career, but if he did he might just be as successful if not mroe successful than the Rock. Everytime he's feuded with the Rock, doesn't matter what role either one is in Austin always gets the louder cheers. Maybe in the mainstream the Rock is liked better, but Austin is the one who gets the adoration of wrestling fans. Even this Jerichoholic right here.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Here, I'll name a FEW.

HHH (No Way Out 2001), Chris Jericho (He had to cheat to win to beat him at KOTR 2001, and jobbed to him at NWO 2001), Kurt Angle (He didn't lose the belt, but he gave every fan the impression that anyday Kurt Angle could have beat him, which got Angle over), Kane (who was Kane's first feud? whose ass did Kane destroy in that first blood match KOTR 98? exactly)

Okay here buddy. There is a difference between doing the job and putting over. At No Mercy 99, HHH beat Austin though it did nothing to put HHH over. HHH didn't get over until the wedding storyline. Then at No Way Out, HHH was already on the top level so theoretically Austin put him over but not really since he was already over(what I mean is what guys has Austin elevated by doing the job for them or being competitive with them. HHH was already on Austin's level at the time. It is the same thing as HHH jobbing to Taker at Mania 17. Those guys are all really smart and only PUT OVER CLEAN guys that cannot take their spots. Agreed about the match at Summerslam 2001 with Angle but Angle was already over as well(he peaked in terms of crowd reaction at the July Smackdown in Pittsburgh when he beat Booker T for the WCW title, I was at that show and the Unforgiven PPV and the reaction to him in July was double of what it was at Unforgiven). Angle's face run never recovered after he got the screwy win over Austin.

 

He didn't do shit for Jericho. KOTR 2001 did nothing for Jericho and made him and Benoit looks like bitches because both of them couldn't beat Austin. And the job at NWO 2002 did nothing either. Kane's first feud was with, guess who, UNDERTAKER. Kane got over by being Undertaker's long lost evil brother.  The win at KOTR 1998 did NOTHING for him either as it was only a plot device to tease Undertaker turning heel and joining Kane in an effort to take the belt from Austin.

 

Guess you really don't understand what PUTTING OVER is, right? The matches with Benoit started to get Benoit over but then he got hurt.

[Guest godthedog]

nobody can really be blamed for the 'king of the ring' crap, since austin broke his hand & they had to come up with some ending.

 

and what is this shit about not being able to put someone over because they're already over?  i guess that means shawn michaels never really put austin over, since he was already the most over face in the company.  

 

summerslam put angle over BIG TIME.  it was the mishandling of angle's character that he never recovered from, not the screwy win at unforgiven.

 

austin even put the rock over big time at wrestlemania, because it took a stunner and a score of chairshots to keep him down.

 

i wouldn't really call your post an 'editorial', because 'editorial' implies a little bit of sophistication.  saying things like 'FUCKING SELFISH PRICK' makes your post more of a rant or a verbal attack.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Going by what you've said, no one in the main event has EVER put someone over. Not Austin(although the Unforgiven match with Angle was as close as anybody has gotten), not Taker, not Rock, not HHH.

 

Also, as much of a Jericho fan as I am, he was seriously sucking ass from WM 17 until Unforgiven.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

i wouldn't really call your post an 'editorial', because 'editorial' implies a little bit of sophistication.  saying things like 'FUCKING SELFISH PRICK' makes your post more of a rant or a verbal attack.

Great point.

[Guest EI Cubano]

Yikes...

[Guest cabbageboy]

I think last year Austin was trying to elevate some guys.  Jericho was wrestling shitty from roughly April to Sept.  as was already said.  Benoit got hurt.  Angle was doing well too against Austin but the Sept. 11 thing kinda killed his heat for some weird reason.  During that time he also lost to RVD on SMDN which definitely got RVD over big time.  It's a shame that whole RVD/Austin pseudo feud never went anywhere, it was highly entertaining.

 

As a face though?  Austin didn't put anyone over, since even when he lost it was a screwjob.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I think last year Austin was trying to elevate some guys.  Jericho was wrestling shitty from roughly April to Sept.  as was already said.  Benoit got hurt.  Angle was doing well too against Austin but the Sept. 11 thing kinda killed his heat for some weird reason.  During that time he also lost to RVD on SMDN which definitely got RVD over big time.  It's a shame that whole RVD/Austin pseudo feud never went anywhere, it was highly entertaining.

 

As a face though?  Austin didn't put anyone over, since even when he lost it was a screwjob.

Austin did several jobs to HHH as a face, if I remember correctly.

[Guest gangsteruwa]

This is getting fucking rediculous.  It seems like there are 50 different threads all about Austin.  Could some one please make a "One and Only" thread.  Personally I don't give a shit about this whole thing, and I'm tired of reading about it.  I don't care who is in the wrong and I don't care about Austin's personal problems.  I come in here to read about wrestling not some guys personal life.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

You are right. Austin is the biggest draw ever.But he was hurting the product. He wasn't happy working with anyone except Taker and Vince and those were DEAD programs. He was not motivated and wouldn't put anybody over. Bret Hart put Steve Austin over. Name one guy in a 4 year run on top(3 active) that Steve Austin PUT OVER.>>>

 

 

Mick Foley. Kurt Angle (he put him over BIG-TIME last year). Jericho (you seem to forget that whole Vengeance show). And those are an unquestionable three guys.

 

 

<<<The closest he got to putting someone over was Benoit. And no showing house shows and leaving TV's is just unprofessional.>>>

 

 

Absolutely.

 

 

<<<As for Austin leaving, long term it will be a good thing because Vince is NOW FORCED TO CREATE NEW STARS.>>>

 

 

BWA HA HA HA!

 

Vince will push HHH. He'll keep pushing UT. Ditto Hogan. He'll sign former WCW "stars" (who, ironically, couldn't draw for WCW) and when they fail to draw, blame Jericho.

 

Create new stars? Not as long as Steph can stop it.

 

 

<<<Also, look at WWE BIG STARS of the past that Vince has created, it goes from Hogan to Austin to ROCK as Austin became bigger than Hogan and now ROCK is bigger than Austin due to his movie career. No doubt someone else could become bigger than Austin. It isn't a guarantee to happen but it is very possible.>>>

 

 

Yes, it is possible. And WWE should've been planning this for a while now (at least since his neck surgery).

                     -=Mike

[Guest Ravenbomb]

Wow...I never would've seen THIS coming. This is starting to get to the 'Too much bad news for me' point, it's starting to get depressing just watching wrestling...