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Just saw Jericho and once again he really did a good job as others have said. The host sounds like she might even be a wrestling fan because she was so respectful to him. It would be nice if Jericho would go on hannity and colmes after that debra/demott stuff tonight.

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Just saw Jericho and once again he really did a good job. The host sounds like she might even be a wrestling fan because she was so respectful to him. It would be nice if Jericho would go on hannity and colmes after that debra/demott stuff tonight.

 

They book better guests like..........Warrior.

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Just saw Jericho and once again he really did a good job. The host sounds like she might even be a wrestling fan because she was so respectful to him. It would be nice if Jericho would go on hannity and colmes after that debra/demott stuff tonight.

 

They book better guests like..........Warrior.

 

lol..yeah seriously. There seems to be a trend here with their show being more negative while Gretas show seems to be more open and friendly.

 

I do think a Jericho/hysterical Debra might be an interesting combo on H&C.

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They need to just go all out and have Austin vs. Debra on H&C.

 

If Austin calls Sean Hannity a mealy mouth bastard and then talks about Colmbs beady eyes it would be worth it...

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Guess you should change the whole "rest in peace" line in your sig then.

 

No, because before all this happened, he was a decent human being. Unforgiving people don't understand there are things in this world that can damage your brain and make you do sick, crazy things, even though you were basically a good person.

 

You're judging him on his actions, the murder of his wife and child which he obviously did under an insane state of mind. I refuse to believe Chris Benoit, in a rationale mind, would never willingly or joyfully do something so heinous which is probably why he killed himself when he came to. PROVE ME WRONG!

 

It really pisses me off that Douchebag put Property of Deon on his pic with Chris Benoit. I was going to steal it and show that I met a child murderer.

 

That's because I'm better looking than you.

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Guess you should change the whole "rest in peace" line in your sig then.

 

No, because before all this happened, he was a decent human being. Unforgiving people don't understand there are things in this world that can damage your brain and make you do sick, crazy things, even though you were basically a good person.

 

You're judging him on his actions, the murder of his wife and child which he obviously did under an insane state of mind. I refuse to believe Chris Benoit, in a rationale mind, would never willingly or joyfully do something so heinous which is probably why he killed himself when he came to. PROVE ME WRONG!

 

A lot of you in here should have been swallowed by your mother.

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Guess you should change the whole "rest in peace" line in your sig then.

 

No, because before all this happened, he was a decent human being. Unforgiving people don't understand there are things in this world that can damage your brain and make you do sick, crazy things, even though you were basically a good person.

 

Because he took a picture with you once you know he was a decent human being? You don't know the first thing about what kind of guy Benoit was. I don't care what all the other wrestlers say about him. Like I've said, when do you ever hear people say bad things about serial killers? It's nothing but "Oh I can't believe he'd ever do this, he was such a mild-mannered guy, he loved everyone. This is totally unlike the person I knew." Get a fuckin' clue, dumbass.

 

 

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I just heard that at an ASW show in West Virginia tonight, two workers, Crowza and Woody Numbers, actually used the Benoit story to get cheap heel heat. I'm not going to repeat what they said unless I just need to, but let's just say that this sort of thing makes me sick to my stomach.

 

If I happened to be a promoter, I would refuse to book such morons, and I'd hope that other promoters would feel the same way.

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We've been debating on how to handle the situation at tomorrow night's indy show that I'm working as a ref on. We definitely want to do some sort of 10-bell salute for at least Nancy/Woman since she was a big part of wrestling in the late-80s-to-mid-90s. We're really torn though on Benoit, even wondering if we should mention his name.

 

For now, we're going to do a moment of silence to mourn the tragedy and then a 10-bell salute for Nancy & Daniel.

 

Anyone have any suggestions?

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We've discussed how fragile even using the "Benoit Family" term would be. That would infer Chris, and we don't want anyone in anyway to think we're paying tribute or glorifying a double murderer just because of his wrestling career.

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I've been kinda thinking about the same thing Enigma. I'm also Ref'ing (or doing sound) for a wrestling show on Sunday and I've been wondering how there going to handle this.

 

Maybe the best thing to do is just stay away from it.

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Think Brock Lesnar wasn't on steroids? Here's a picture of him at the recent show before a match with Kurt Angle:

 

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He doesn't look much different aside from being white as a ghost..

 

Angle? Suspended almost immediately after going to ECW, then released soon after due to his serious physical and mental problems.

Wow, I'm so behind on things. I know this isn't the thread for it, but could someone give me a quick recap of when/ho/why Angle left?

 

When did that match happen?? :huh:

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Yesterday. Kurt Angle beat Brock Lesnar in 11 minutes to win the IWGP World Heavyweight Title.

 

Angle now joins Hulk Hogan as the only ones to have held the WWE and IWGP titles.

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*Updated with Chris Jericho Interview*

 

Chris Jericho on Greta Van Susteren:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EI12YYQi9k

 

Clips from Hannity and Colmes tonight, featuring Bill DeMott and Debra Marshall arguing about steroids and the Chris Benoit murders:

 

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGSlkgEuJ3s

 

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-6aMTOtnsU

 

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Okay, I've finally seen Debra give her interviews and I gotta say I side with her on this whole thing. I don't see how she's pushing her own agenda. She seems very sincere in what she's saying. Most people who want to push their own hidden agenda would be a little more over the top and loud (for lack of a better term) about what they're speaking on. She doesn't seem like the regular group who are harping on WWE for no apparent reason, rather she's got some pretty good reasons to be coming out of the woodwork and speaking up on this kind of thing.

 

...and for the record, it looks like a lot of you in this thread are misquoting her and getting all pissed off at your own misquotation. Where she talks about if she had've spoken up earlier that Nancy would be alive. She doesn't say it as a definite. She says MAYBE she COULD have saved her.

 

She seems sincere, of course. But the fact is, she was presumably brought onto whatever show it was to talk about the tragedy with the Benoit family. Her sole contribution to the first interview, as far as I've read transcribed, was to steer every question right back to Austin, who let's face it was in the wrong for attacking her but has NOTHING to do with the deaths of the Benoit family. So she was 'pushing her own agenda', intentionally or not. Again, obviously I haven't seen the interview so maybe it's not my place to comment. But from the transcriptions I've read, the only time she really mentioned the Benoit family was "oh, if only I had said something about Steve, then maybe I could have saved them."

 

 

Also, as far as the steroid issue goes, whether it was a contributing factor or not (and I'd say it was a minor one at worst), if it happens that media pressure gets WWE to change their ways with steroids, it can only be a good thing for the business and the people in it. The fact the media are so alarmist over steroids isn't surprising. It's not right. But there may be a silver lining IF it does lead to a reform.

 

And to all the people blasting the Wellness Policy and their treatment of Masters, it amuses me how many of you were probably bashing Triple H for being 'fat' when he evidently came off the roids. Two way street.

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Guess you should change the whole "rest in peace" line in your sig then.

 

No, because before all this happened, he was a decent human being. Unforgiving people don't understand there are things in this world that can damage your brain and make you do sick, crazy things, even though you were basically a good person.

 

You're judging him on his actions, the murder of his wife and child which he obviously did under an insane state of mind. I refuse to believe Chris Benoit, in a rationale mind, would never willingly or joyfully do something so heinous which is probably why he killed himself when he came to. PROVE ME WRONG!

 

Oh, Douchebag.

 

What's next? Will you end your post with: Wolverines got wings Cole, wolverines are gonna fly.

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I think the reason Debra is taking some flack is that she waited until now to speak up. Austin's abusive nature has been chronicled in the past, so it's not news really. Austin's a drunken, roided up wife beater....well honey, you married the guy.

 

Anyway, the Angle/Lesnar match is intriguing. I don't know how much Angle was seriously messed up or was faking it to get out of his WWE contract. But last year he goes to ECW, gets on everyone's nerves to no end, got suspended for failing a wellness test, then came back and promptly started falling apart physically. In the house show matches with RVD he tore his pelvis clear off the bone, damn near broke Van Dam's neck with a suplex, etc. I don't think anyone knows exactly what happened when Angle met with Vince and Co., but either he demanded his release and they said "Fuck it" and gave it to him, or they demanded he go into rehab and he refused and thus was released. If anyone has further info on Angle, feel free to add to this.

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The Angle stuff has always fascinated me. There's no denying that he was really messed up for a time there...but since he's left the WWE scheduling (and maybe thats the whole thing. The first thing he said after leaving was that Vince wouldn't give him time off to heal) he's had no further issues that have come to light.

 

There can really be no denying at this point that getting out of WWE was the best thing for Angle. Much less pressure, much less demand, and he can make his own schedule.

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Stopping short of competely removing him, WWE has no longer mentioned Benoit in the title history section. His name is there, but you can no longer click on it.

 

Also, a random search of wwe.com has produced nothing when you type in Chris Benoit. Anything Benoit related is pretty much gone.

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Not really surprising with the title history. They still have to mention he won the belts, but as for how he won the belt, that makes perfect sense. Can't have your website promoting how a child killer won some of your top championships

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Well this really comes as no surprise.

 

 

 

ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS GEORGIA SENATOR SEEKING INFORMATION ON WRESTLING FOR POTENTIAL HEALTH COMMISSION HEARINGS

by Mike Johnson @ 11:12:00 AM on 6/30/2007

 

The Associated Press has released an article on the series of young deaths in professional wrestling, noting "loopholes" in the WWE Wellness policy and that Georgia Senator Johnny Isakson has instructed his staff to begin gathering information into whether the Health Commission should be looking into the industry. Lance Storm and Road Warrior Animal, among others were interviewed for the article, which reads:

 

Dying young a sad chapter in wrestling's scripts

 

PAUL NEWBERRY, AP National Writer

Saturday, June 30

ATLANTA — Everything is planned. The high-flying moves. The outlandish story lines, The crackpot characters.

 

One thing isn't in the script: the staggering number of pro wrestlers who die young.

 

Chris Benoit was the latest, taking his own life at age 40 after killing his wife and son in a grisly case that might be the blackest eye yet for the pseudo-sport already ridiculed as nothing more than comic books come to life, a cult-like outlet for testosterone-ragin' young males to cheer on their freakishly bulked-up heroes.

 

But the tenacious, grim-faced grappler known as the "Canadian Crippler" was hardly alone in heading to an early grave.

 

The very same weekend Benoit killed his family, the body of old tag-team partner Biff Wellington (real name: Shayne Bower) was found in his bed, dead at 42. A couple of weeks ago, former women's champion "Sensational" Sherri Martel passed away at her mother's home in Alabama. She was 49.

 

And on it goes.

 

Mike Awesome (Michael Lee Alfonso in real life) was found hanged in his Florida home in February, the apparent victim of a suicide at 42. "Bam Bam" Bigelow was 45 when a lethal cocktail of cocaine and benzodiazepine, an anti-anxiety drug, stopped his already ailing heart in January.

 

And on it goes, dozens and dozens of wrestlers meeting a similar fate over the past two decades. Some died with drugs flowing through their veins. Others tried to clean up but belatedly paid the price for their long-term abuse of steroids, painkillers, alcohol, cocaine and other illicit substances.

 

How many more must pass through the morgue before everyone stands up and shouts: Enough's enough?

 

"From my 17 years in the business, I know probably 40 to 45 wrestlers who dropped dead before they were 50," said Lance Evers, a semiretired wrestler who goes by "Lance Storm" when he's in the ring. "It's an astronomical number."

 

Then, he added in a voice tinged with anger and sadness, "I'm sick and tired of it."

 

———

 

Over the years, there are been numerous proposals to put wrestling under some sort of oversight, be it at the state or federal level. Those ideas usually have fallen on deaf ears, largely because the powers-that-be, be it the old-time regional promoters or WWE owner Vince McMahon, the guy who largely controls the sport today, don't want the government telling them how to run their business.

 

Jim Wilson, who parlayed pro football into a ring career, says he was blackballed when he began pushing for a wrestler's union. Since then, he has written a book about his experiences and kept up the push to rein in those who govern the sport.

 

Although Wilson's battle often has been a lonely one, he says Benoit's death might reinvigorate the cause.

 

A union could be a useful tool for cleaning up the sport. It might lead to a pension plan, improved benefits, more stringent health and safety guidelines and a revamped pay structure that would allow wrestlers to spend more time at home without risking a pay cut.

 

Now, most top wrestlers get a guaranteed salary, but the bulk of their income is based on how often they compete. That leads some to feel they must get in the ring while injured, often with the aid of painkillers and other numbing chemicals.

 

And much like rock stars, plenty of wrestlers have fallen victim to excessive partying, alcohol and drug dependency, and marital problems during grueling stints on the road.

 

"My longest run was 79 days in a row without a day off," said Joe Laurinaitis, the wrestler known as Road Warrior Animal and father of Ohio State football star James Laurinaitis. "It's not as bad now. They've got good guys running the WWE. Still, we need to take a look at it when things like this (the Benoit murder-suicide) are happening. Guys are still overworked."

 

That's why Wilson's calling for Congress to hold hearings on the wrestling industry, much like it investigated doping in professional sports and just this past week heard from ex-NFL players who believe they're being shortchanged on their pensions.

 

"In those other sports, they aren't dropping like flies like they are in the wrestling business," Wilson said. "Now is the time to push for legislation nationally."

 

He's already spoken with U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), who instructed his staff to begin gathering information on the issue to determine if a hearing before the Health Committee might be warranted.

 

Isakson said his main concern is steroid abuse.

 

"I'm not going to start speculating on federal regulation of wrestling," he said. "The issue is anabolic steroids, which are a significant problem and are known to cause significant difficulties. It's a health issue that's appropriate for us to discuss, regardless of the profession."

 

———

 

Steroids and other muscle-building drugs long have been an accepted part of the wrestling culture, allowing the biggest names to pump up to ungodly proportions that wouldn't be possible through natural means.

 

Granted, nobody comes right out and tells a wrestler he or she should take steroids. But all one has to do is attend a match in person or watch one on TV to realize some of these physiques just aren't plausible without help from a syringe.

 

"Somebody says you need to put 25 pounds on your upper body," said Larry DeGaris, who teaches sports marketing at the University of Indianapolis and moonlights on the independent wrestling circuit as "The Professor" Larry Brisco. "Well, if you have an athletic background and have been around sports for a while, you know there's only one way to do that. Nobody needs to tell you. It's just a tacit understanding."

 

Steroids were found in Benoit's home, though investigators haven't determined if they played any role in the brutal killings of his wife, Nancy, and their 7-year-old son.

 

World Wrestling Entertainment, which employed Benoit and holds a virtual monopoly grip on the industry, was quick to point out that this tragedy — apparently carried out over an entire weekend — doesn't come with the classic signs of 'roid rage, the violent, unpredictable outbursts that can be caused by someone who abuses steroids.

 

A top anti-doping expert agreed but said it's too early in the investigation to draw any firm conclusions.

 

"I can paint any number of scenarios that explain this without invoking 'roid rage," said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency. "'Roid rage tends to be impulse control. This event happened over two or three days. It has the earmarks of some calculation."

 

The WWE also was quick to announce Benoit had passed his last drug test in April, part of the organization's "Wellness Program" that was put in place after the death of star Eddie Guerrero two years ago.

 

But Wadler doesn't sound all that impressed with the WWE's testing procedures. He's especially troubled that the WWE refuses to discuss the program in any detail.

 

Both Evers and wrestling journalist Bryan Alvarez, who've seen guidelines for the program, report two troubling loopholes:

 

— A wrestler can pass the doping test with a testosterone to epitestosterone ratio of 10:1, more than double the WADA standard. Under WADA rules, athletes are in violation starting at 4:1; the average ratio is 1:1.

 

— A wrestler who tests positive can be excused if he produces a doctor's prescription and a medically justified reason for taking the drug in question.

 

———

 

There's no justifying that happened at the Benoits' suburban Atlanta home last weekend.

 

Alvarez, who covers the sport extensively for the Web site www.wrestlingobserver.com, has some inkling of the demons that might have overtaken the wrestler.

 

He said Benoit never got over the 2005 death of Guerrero, a former WWE champion and four-time tag-team titleholder who was 38 when he died of a heart attack, perhaps caused by the alcohol and drug abuses that friends thought he had beaten.

 

"Chris' closest friend in the world was Eddie Guerrero," Alvarez said. "He could cry to him. He could tell him everything. After Eddie died, I talked to Chris. He was broken man."

 

Last year, another of Benoit's wrestling buddies, 263-pound Mike Durham (known in the business as Johnny Grunge), died at 39 from complications cause by sleep apnea, a condition that often affects larger people such as wrestlers and football players.

 

"It was about this period of time that people started noticing weird behavior, paranoid behavior, which would indicate (Benoit) was using a lot of drugs," Alvarez said. "He was alone. He was on the road a lot, having to perform at a high level, having to look a certain way. I think the drug use escalated, and his whole world basically fell apart."

 

Laurinaitis knows what a lethal potion it all can be.

 

His friend since childhood and longtime tag partner, Road Warrior Hawk (Michael Hegstrand), died from a heart attack in 2003. Just 46, Hegstrand had battled alcohol and drugs, in addition to using steroids, Laurinaitis said.

 

"I used to watch him sometimes and just shake my head. I would think, 'Oh my God, what in the world is he doing? Why is he doing that?"' Laurinaitis said. "I saw quite a few guys go down that path."

 

Now, they're all gone.

 

Benoit. Guerrero. Hawk.

 

Martel. Bigelow. Awesome.

 

Not to mention Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig, Big Boss Man, Hercules, Crash Holly, Davey Boy Smith, Miss Elizabeth, Terry Gordy, "Gentleman" Chris Adams, Yokozuna, "Ravishing" Rick Rude, Owen Hart, Louie Spiccoli, Brian Pillman, Eddie Gilbert, Buzz Sawyer, "Quick Draw" Rick McGraw, Gino Hernandez and much of the Von Erich clan.

 

All dead before they were 50 — and that's just a sampling of an ever-growing list.

 

"It's gotten to the point that just about every show in the country is starting with a ten-bell salute," said DeGaris, the professor and wrestler, referring to the traditional farewell to a fallen competitor. "You kind of look at some of the old pictures, and you're the last man standing."

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Guess you should change the whole "rest in peace" line in your sig then.

 

No, because before all this happened, he was a decent human being. Unforgiving people don't understand there are things in this world that can damage your brain and make you do sick, crazy things, even though you were basically a good person.

 

You're judging him on his actions, the murder of his wife and child which he obviously did under an insane state of mind. I refuse to believe Chris Benoit, in a rationale mind, would never willingly or joyfully do something so heinous which is probably why he killed himself when he came to. PROVE ME WRONG!

Don't you ever change, you incredible idiot you.

It really pisses me off that Douchebag put Property of Deon on his pic with Chris Benoit. I was going to steal it and show that I met a child murderer.

 

That's because I'm better looking than you.

At this point, I don't know whether or not Deon should be banned. At one hand, we wouldn't have to put of with stupidity like this, though on the other hand, we wouldn't get hilarious, retarded posts that I can laugh at.

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