Chris Benoit Dead - Toxicology results released

[TheBigSwigg 0]

In spite of the fact that the GBI's examiner said that there was no definitive proof of steroid use

He didn't say that.

 

He did say that. At least, that's what I heard out of his explanation. He repeatedly said that there wasn't proof that it was anabolic steroids, that it could have been due to testicular insufficiency. He also stated that the average T/E level could go as high as 6:1.

[Bix 0]

It never ends.....Jericho was exactly right, they pick a hot button word and run with it. Even though it was TESTOSTERONE in his system that could have been because he couldn't get it up, it has been morphed into STEROIDS, because it matches what they've been talking about.

1. Testosterone is an anabolic steroid.

2. His Testosterone to Epitestosterone levels were elevated beyond what what be naturally produced.

 

Pay attention!

[Bix 0]

In spite of the fact that the GBI's examiner said that there was no definitive proof of steroid use

He didn't say that.

 

He did say that. At least, that's what I heard out of his explanation. He repeatedly said that there wasn't proof that it was anabolic steroids, that it could have been due to testicular insufficiency. He also stated that the average T/E level could go as high as 6:1.

Injected Testosterone IS an anabolic steroid. He said it couldn't be known if he was using it for bodybuilding or how much he was using while he was alive, just that he WAS using.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Ask yourself why he was taking testosterone injections, then go do some research. It's really not rocket science.

 

Some people are in as much denial as the media is obsessed about roid rage.

[justcoz 0]

what is hydrocodone, well maybe the media will shut up, all it was was Testosterone

Hydrocodone = Vicodin.

 

Testosterone is a steroid, you idiot, and his levels were elevated.

 

My uncle is on testosterone. His Benoit balls weren't producing enough testosterone, probably from previous steroid abuse, Meltzer even said that his testosterone levels were lower than Superstar Billy Graham who abused steroids for years and is also considerably older. Billy Graham also has to take testosterone.

 

*edited upon further research

 

THIS IS STILL NOT ROID RAGE

[World's Worst Man 0]

He was taking enough testosterone for his levels to be nearly 10x what is normal.

[JimmyHendricks 0]

It never ends.....Jericho was exactly right, they pick a hot button word and run with it. Even though it was TESTOSTERONE in his system that could have been because he couldn't get it up, it has been morphed into STEROIDS, because it matches what they've been talking about.

1. Testosterone is an anabolic steroid.

2. His Testosterone to Epitestosterone levels were elevated beyond what what be naturally produced.

 

Pay attention!

 

Yeah, but there's a difference between taking testosterone and shooting yourself up with steroids Jose Canseco style.

 

Hey, I'm all for going after Vince and evaluating the world of pro-wrestling, but can't someone just be a crazy fuck anymore? The media wants to make it out to be that he was a roided up monster, and he killed his family because of it. And he was a roided up monster because Vince McMahon pushes his stars too hard. I agree with part of it, but not all of it. I guess they just want to keep pushing it over and over until everyone goes along with it.

 

I find it interesting how every media outlet, from FOX News to CNN to MSNBC to Drudge is reporting the same thing, with the word "steroids" all over the place. Can't there be some intelligent, truthful reporting?

[Jingus 0]

TESTOSTERONE IS A STEROID. It's the classic, oldest, most common steroid. What the fuck do you think steroids ARE? They're male hormones. LIKE TESTOSTERONE.

 

 

And if you're paying attention, it's NOT the same steroid that Dr. Astin had been prescribing him. It's something completely different.

[milliondollarchamp 0]

59:1 is freaking huge. That's.. that's almost unheard of. Floyd Landis was at 11:1 when they nailed him for the Tour De France violations. Other people busted have been around 15 to 20:1. This is the first time I've ever heard of someone above 40:1 , much less 59:1 .

[uhftv 0]

I dunno what people were expecting that would make them feel better, outside of:

 

Coroner: Uh we found 3 doses of Crazy juice, well past normal levels.

[justcoz 0]

He was taking enough testosterone for his levels to be nearly 10x what is normal.

 

still doesn't mean shit in regard to the murder/suicide or the testing since it was prescribed for legitimate medical purposes. 40 year old men will need testosterone. Particularly if they abused steroids throughout their life.

 

[justcoz 0]

TESTOSTERONE IS A STEROID. It's the classic, oldest, most common steroid. What the fuck do you think steroids ARE? They're male hormones. LIKE TESTOSTERONE.

 

 

And if you're paying attention, it's NOT the same steroid that Dr. Astin had been prescribing him. It's something completely different.

 

Explain, what was he prescribed and what was in his system? I missed this.

 

[World's Worst Man 0]

Are you insane? If you think he was taking this stuff purely to treat his low testosterone levels, I have a nice bridge to sell you.

 

59:1, 6:1, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Bix 0]

59:1 is freaking huge. That's.. that's almost unheard of. Floyd Landis was at 11:1 when they nailed him for the Tour De France violations. Other people busted have been around 15 to 20:1. This is the first time I've ever heard of someone above 40:1 , much less 59:1 .

It wasn't a T/E ratio, it was a different one that I didn't catch. I'm sure Meltzer or Alvarez can explain it better.

 

That said, I believe (but I'm not sure) that he said that whatever the ratio was for, Benoit's was 59:1 and normal would be 6:1.

 

He was taking enough testosterone for his levels to be nearly 10x what is normal.

 

still doesn't mean shit in regard to the murder/suicide or the testing since it was prescribed for legitimate medical purposes. 40 year old men will need testosterone. Particularly if they abused steroids throughout their life.

Benoit was crazy, I'm sure steroids didn't help. HE THOUGHT INVISIBLE MEN WERE FOLLOWING HIM FOR CHRISSAKE.

[Jingus 0]

I forget exactly what the name of the chemical Astin had him on was, but it wasn't testosterone. He had no prescription at all for testosterone.

 

59:1 is freaking huge. That's.. that's almost unheard of. Floyd Landis was at 11:1 when they nailed him for the Tour De France violations. Other people busted have been around 15 to 20:1. This is the first time I've ever heard of someone above 40:1 , much less 59:1 .

Like was mentioned earlier, the "59" thing isn't from the same set of numbers that we've been talking about "4 to 10", it's a completely different thing.

[AlaskanHero 0]

I'm not exactly in a position to look it up, but did they say how much testosterone was found in Benoit's body?

 

EDIT- Ahh, never mind.

[Bix 0]

I forget exactly what the name of the chemical Astin had him on was, but it wasn't testosterone. He had no prescription at all for testosterone.

No, Astin prescribed Testosterone Cypionate to Benoit. That is what Astin told the media before he was found, what was found in Benoit's home, and what Benoit's medical records say.

[World's Worst Man 0]

And a prescription from a mark doctor like Astin doesn't mean anything. The guy was clearly crooked and wasn't prescribing stuff based solely on real necessity.

[Nate 0]

has Testosterone actually been documented to cause "roid rage" i just dont buy the notion of Testosterone causing roid rage, i just think he was bat shit crazy

[Black Lushus 0]

I didn't know we had so many pharmacists here!

[Jingus 0]

Scott Steiner says hi.

 

Yes, roid rage is real. Road Warrior Animal was on some talk show discussing it and how it effects people.

[Jingus 0]

I forget exactly what the name of the chemical Astin had him on was, but it wasn't testosterone. He had no prescription at all for testosterone.

No, Astin prescribed Testosterone Cypionate to Benoit. That is what Astin told the media before he was found, what was found in Benoit's home, and what Benoit's medical records say.

Ah, okay, that's what confused me, I just heard the Cypionate part. But still, yeah, Astin was clearly a Dr. Feelgood candyman, not a legitimate medical professional.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Roid rage was ruled out three weeks ago when the murder method was discovered. Even though the media still drones on about it, it's nothing more than a red herring in the context of this discussion.

[justcoz 0]

HIGHLIGHTS OF BENOIT FAMILY TOXICOLOGY PRESS CONFERENCE

by Mike Johnson @ 3:14:34 PM on 7/17/2007 CREDIT pwinsider.com

 

 

The Georgia Bureau of Investigations and the State's Chief Medical Examiner held a press conference this afternoon to disclose the results of the toxicology tests done on the bodies of Chris, Nancy and Daniel Benoit. Highlights from the conference:

 

-Fayetteville Georgia District Attorney Scott Ballard stated that the investigation into the Benoit tragedy is still ongoing and as they continued to investigate, all aspects still lead them to believe it was a murder-suicide. He said that one aspect of the investigation is the toxicology reports. He thanked the G.B.I and their crime lab for all the investigation assistance. Ballard said they wouldn't answer questions regarding the crime scene and aspects of the investigation until they could discuss the entire investigation accurately.

 

-Ballard turned it over to the GBI's Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Kris Sperry.

 

-Sperry said that with Nancy Benoit had three drugs in her system - Hydrocodone (a prescribed pain reliever - Vicodin is considered Hydrocodone), Hydromorphone (which the body creates when Hydrocodone is broken down in the body) and Xanax. All of the drugs were at a therapeutic level, not a toxic level. Sperry said that the levels they found could have been affected by the decomposition of her body and that they may have been higher levels before she died. She had a blood alcohol level of 0.184, which could be clearly due to the decomposing of her body.

 

-Daniel Benoit's blood was positive for Xanax. Sperry noted that Xanax was not a drug that would be given to a child under normal circumstances, so their belief is that Daniel was sedated at the time of his murder.

 

-Chris Benoit's blood was positive for Hydrocodone and Xanax, both at levels within therapeutic range for normal usage of the drugs, not toxic or elevated usage.

 

-Chris Benoit's urine was tested for the presence of steroids and the "only steroid drug that we found was testosterone, which was measured at the level of 207 micrograms per liter." He said that the level of led them to ascertain that Benoit had been using testosterone "at least in some reasonable period before the time that he died."

 

-There were no other "steroids or artificial steroid-like drugs that were found in his urine."

 

-There was no evidence of GHB in Nancy, Chris or Daniel Benoit.

 

-When asked about how the testosterone level, Sperry said that they test urine to see what the levels were. They said the ratio of Testosterone to Epitestosterone was an indicator that he had been using it, "but how much, how often and for how long is something that cannot be answered through this."

 

-When asked if the drug tests would shed any light on what happened that night in the Benoit home, Sperry said, "No, I would not say that they do. These results give answers as far as drug and medication usage. They do show that Daniel Benoit was sedated at the time he was murdered. beyond that, I don't think they reveal anything at all, other than the fact that Chris Benoit had been using at least testosterone for some period of time."

 

-Daniel Benoit did not die of a drug overdose of Xanax based on the autopsy findings, which they did not discuss due to the ongoing investigation. There was never any indication that it was an overdose death.

 

-When asked about how the drugs in Benoit's system may have affected his behavior, Sperry said there was no way to tell that at all. He said that the level of drugs in Chris Benoit's system were at therapeutic level for someone with pain and being prescribed them. Sperry said there are thousands of people walking around with the same levels in their system. Benoit wasn't at a toxic or overdose level.

 

-In regard to whether testosterone creates mental disorders and outbursts of range, there are "conflicting data" as to whether that can be the case and "I think that's an unanswerable question." He said he was relying on the scientific date, which states that no one really knows.

 

-Chris Benoit's abnormal range of ratio of Testosterone to Epitestosterone (10 times the normal range) shows Chris Benoit was injecting it but couldn't prove that led to changes in his behavior. When asked why, Sperry said the scientific data when individuals are given these drugs under monitored conditions, the ratio does not translate to something abnormal in that person's thought process or behavior.

 

-When asked about needle marks found on Daniel Benoit's body and what the needle marks were from, Sperry said that they were not able to find what they were from. He said that they appeared to be needle marks, but they did not have enough urine specimen from Daniel to analyze for HGH or other growth hormones.

 

-Sperry said there was nothing on [note from Mike: I believe Chris] Benoit's body that led Sperry to believe Benoit had been using needles for long periods of time. "I would say at this point and time that will never be known."

 

-The levels of the drugs in Nancy Benoit's body were therapeutic, not at an extremely elevated or toxic range. Sperry did note that the decomposition of the body could lead to the levels being lower than they were at the time of death. He said that he knew that she had orthopedic surgeries in the past and wouldn't be shocked to see she was taking the drugs for pain and muscle spasms.

 

-When asked if anything stands out as significant. Sperry said the Xanax in Daniel Benoit's blood was surprising. He said that beyond the testosterone, there was no finding of any other illegal type or anabolic steroids that are out there to be used. He said that the presence of the Testosterone could be an indication Benoit was being treated for testicular insufficiency [Note from Mike: Dr. Phil Astin had claimed shortly after the Benoit family was found that he was treating Benoit with Testosterone replacement therapy].

 

-When asked about the Fragile X rumors of Daniel Benoit, Sperry said that it was impossible to perform that type of chromosome analysis post-mortem.

 

-When asked if he was given results of WWE's drug testing of Chris Benoit, Sperry said he hasn't seen the results and only knows about that from what he's seen on the news. He said he has no knowledge of what WWE tested for or what they look for.

 

-Ballard was asked how the results help the investigation. Ballard said they are trying to decipher what happened in the home and this part of the investigation will help them put a complete picture in focus with other aspects of their investigation.

 

-When asked about Daniel Benoit being sedated, Ballard said, "I could speculate but I'm not going to."

 

-Ballard said that the level of cooperation in the investigation has been good and noted there have been some theories and emails they have gotten that they look into that haven't been so helpful.

 

-Ballard declined to comment on what direction the investigation would take at this point. He said you want to try and re-create the who, what, why but he suspects many of the answers they may never learn.

 

-Sperry said that the testing only gives the examiners a "snapshot" of what was in Benoit's body in the period before he died. He said that they found no evidence of any other drugs that would be used for bodybuilding purposes. He said that neither he nor anyone else can tell what Benoit used in the past.

 

-Sperry said the most common usage of Testosterone injections would be to treat testicular inefficiency and there are thousands of men who use injections for the same reasons.

 

-When asked about the effect of the drugs on Benoit's mental state, Sperry again pointed out that there is no scientific data that supports those theories.

 

-Nancy Benoit's blood alcohol level would be legally drunk, although there's no way of saying how that factored into the deaths. It was also noted the alcohol level could have changed with the decomposition of the body.

 

-Nancy Benoit's body had decomposed much more than Daniel or Chris, so she was murdered first.

[Bix 0]

And a prescription from a mark doctor like Astin doesn't mean anything. The guy was clearly crooked and wasn't prescribing stuff based solely on real necessity.

Hence 10 months worth (if used therapeutically) prescribed to Benoit every 3 to 4 weeks.

[Jingus 0]

So can we please never hear "Benoit might not've been on steroids" or "maybe Nancy killed Daniel" ever again?

[World's Worst Man 0]

If that happens, I will paypal you $2,000.

[Jingus 0]

And WWE.com has absolutely nothing about any of this. What a shock.

[RepoMan 0]

And WWE.com has absolutely nothing about any of this. What a shock.

 

That's the smart buisness move at this point.

 

[World's Worst Man 0]

They're trying to figure out how they can sucker people into thinking testosterone isn't a steroid and wasn't used for performance or body-enhancing reasons in a guy with ten times the natural amount.