The-One-And-Only-Steve-Austin-is-released Thread!

[Guest]

I've always wanted to start one of these things. There are like 50 billion Austin threads, I believe it's time for one of these bad boys.

 

Have at it gentlemen.

 

And yes, I support Austin and I'm taking this Austin assaulted Debra thing with a grain of salt, since Austin was a mainstream celebrity, and if the news got wind of this, it'd be all over the place right now. I stated this in another post, but I want to say it again...

 

Isn't it ironic how Steve Austin got over by feuding with the owner in storylines, and that now he was at the top of his game, that feud was over and one of the most successful feuds in wrestling history, and then Austin vs. McMahon became reality. Funny how McMahon didn't "try to make Austin's life hell" or what happens to you IN REAL LIFE if you give the middle finger to an owner...They give you a pink slip right back AND smear your reputation on national television (and replay the clips too, as we all know that's going to happen tonight on Heat, tommorrow on RAW, on Smackdown!, etc.)

 

I wonder if he's thinking.. "My name is Stone Cold Steve Austin, AND I DON'T DESERVE THIS!"

[Guest]

And yes, I support Austin and I'm taking this Austin assaulted Debra thing with a grain of salt, since Austin was a mainstream celebrity, and if the news got wind of this, it'd be all over the place right now.

 

Dave Meltzer verified the story by calling a news station in San Antonio to confirm that it had indeed been reported on.

[Guest gangsteruwa]

From a message I posted a half an hour ago in the "An editorial on Steve Williams" thread:

 

This is getting fucking rediculous.  It seems like there are 50 different threads all about Austin.  Could some one please make a "One and Only" thread.  Personally I don't give a shit about this whole thing, and I'm tired of reading about it.  I don't care who is in the wrong and I don't care about Austin's personal problems.  I come in here to read about wrestling not some guys personal life.

 

So thank you for making my wish come true.  Now all that has to happen is an end to hatred and I'll be happy.

[Guest Smeghead]

Before you make a "Steve Austin is released" thread, shouldn't you wait until he is released?  I'm not saying he won't get his release very soon, but as far as we know, it hasn't actually happened yet.  He's still under contract with WWE.

[Guest chirs3]

How anyone could support Austin on this is beyond me.

 

He walked out ON A LIVE SHOW. That HE was the focus of. There were going to be segments with him, and I think he was in the main event. And he WALKED.

 

You can't tell me he was justified because of the shitty writing, because then the entire WWE roster (Jericho specifically) would be just as justified if they walked out tomorrow.

 

I'm gonna quote JR again, because this really says it all.

 

JR: I've had pig shit poured on me... I've kissed Mr. McMahon's ass... I've been beaten up by a woman... but I put up with it, and we all did our part, because we wanted to entertain the fans.

 

I don't care if the writers told Steve he'd be switching his gimmick to Chuckabilly's new tutu-wearing "special friend", you don't just WALK OUT of a live show. You get Vince or the writers or JR or SOMEONE in a meeting and you work it out.

[Guest]

Hey and you can quote me elsewhere on this board specifically saying Austin and Jericho need to get the fuck out while they still can, and take RVD, Benoit, and Angle with them to a company that won't fuck them.

 

And in case you missed Confidential, Steve and Vince and JR did TRY to work it out but it just didn't work. And by the way, Smeghead, this is from WWE.com itself...

 

On March 18, 2002, the day after WrestleMania, without company approval and without notice, Stone Cold Steve Austin walked off the job and failed to appear at WWE’s Raw show in Montreal. Stone Cold Steve Austin was advised by WWE management that this was unprofessional and unacceptable. After a two week hiatus, Austin returned to work.

 

On Monday, June 10, 2002, Stone Cold Steve Austin again failed to appear for the scheduled Raw event in Atlanta, instead choosing to return home to San Antonio without notice and without company approval.

 

Although Steve was unhappy with his character’s creative direction, Steve made the personal and unprofessional decision not to report to work to address his concerns.

 

Therefore, Stone Cold Steve Austin is no longer an active member of WWE’s talent roster.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

Hey and you can quote me elsewhere on this board specifically saying Austin and Jericho need to get the fuck out while they still can, and take RVD, Benoit, and Angle with them to a company that won't fuck them.

name one wrestling company in north america which will not fuck over its employees, and can pay the kind of cash these guys would pull, i challenge you!

[Guest]

Did I say north america? didn't think so...

 

And if it was in North America I'm sure it's possible to gain some kind of financial backing to get a promotion started with these guys.

[Guest The Vanilla Midget]

ok, name one promotion anywhere

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I sure hope this shit gets worked out.  I don't know Steve personally, but I know that everyone has their own personal demons.  I can't judge the man on what he has done in the past, or anything he will do. None of you can either.

 

Steve and the WWE have had a long and very prosperous relationship.  What he did was justifiable in my eyes, but hurt both sides and in the end hurt the fans, like myself.  I'm so fucking disappointed in all of this, and all this bullshit from everyone pisses me off.

 

This guy busted his ass for you, for all of you.  You get in the damned ring and take a few bumps.  Now multiply that times a huge number.  A show night in, and night out.  You think you have problems at home? Try supporting two children you love while not being able to see them.  At the same time you have a struggling marriage that you have to shove aside because you need to jump into a hard canvas and put on a show for people.  You hit your back and you hurt for them.  Just after you've had neck surgery.  You are asked to job to a newcomer with obvious potential, but with no buildup and at your sacrifice.  You've carried the damn company on your back for years and made countless money.  You did all this to be shoved aside for the roiding boss's daughter's boyfriend. This guy sits in the production meetings, gets the title seemingly whenever he wants, has Vince's ear, and has done what? WHAT?!?!  All his buddies got back in the federation and are starting to take shots at the biggest company man of them all (Rock).  Fuck that.

 

The man fucked up, I'll give you that.  He walked out on the fans, on his company.    He may even have fucked up his family life.  The man has issues.  A lot of them.  But they weren't brought on because he wasn't doing his job or because it was his fault.  He was a hard working son of a bitch who loved the business and worked for all of us.

 

Still, on this board, all I hear is Fuck Austin! Thank God he's gone! What an asshole!  Well I wish all of you would have just a small bit of consideration and judge not unless you are judged.  

 

He's done a lot.  The door is still open, things can be worked out.  Vince is still pissed off. Ross is too. So is Austin.  Everything comes around, in time.  Bret has tried to talk to Vince.  Vince says he forgives Bret.  That shit never really got completely resolved, but it got a lot closer to it than I would have ever thought. Hell, Vince contacted him for Wrestlemania!

 

Give it time.  And for God sakes stop all this bashing of a man in a situation we all know little about!

[Guest chirs3]

And in case you missed Confidential, Steve and Vince and JR did TRY to work it out but it just didn't work.

 

I didn't miss Confidential. JR and Austin had a phone call where Austin said "Fix it or I ain't comin' to work".

 

Then Vince got word, called Austin, and left a message saying "I don't care what time, AS SOON AS YOU GET THIS, CALL ME."

 

Austin called him around two AM, and they went over everything, and Vince said something to the effect, since I don't remember the exact quote, of "We talked it over and at the end of the conversation, we seemed to be in agreement." Meaning Vince had convinced Austin it was the right thing to do, or they had agreed to meet at a later time - the exact end result wasn't said.

 

It is PAINFULLY clear that this is Austin's fault. He had a conversation with JR where he said "Fix it or I'm gone", then one with Vince where he was apparently won over, then later changed his mind. JR called him when he was on the plane and said "Get your ass back here, I'll get you alone in a room with Vince, I'll be there if you want, LET'S WORK THIS OUT."

 

And Austin fucked them over.

 

Austin is to blame.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I sure hope this shit gets worked out.  I don't know Steve personally, but I know that everyone has their own personal demons.  I can't judge the man on what he has done in the past, or anything he will do. None of you can either.

...  

The man has issues.  A lot of them.  But they weren't brought on because he wasn't doing his job or because it was his fault.  He was a hard working son of a bitch who loved the business and worked for all of us.

...

And for God sakes stop all this bashing of a man in a situation we all know little about!

Funny how it's OK for Austin to have personal demons, but even mention Scott Hall and you'll get "don't bother with him, he's a drunk... I'm GLAD he was fired!", and though I haven't run into any on this board, I've talked to several people in real life who say the same sorts of things towards Jake "The Snake".  So why is it OK for Austin to have personal demons and that he should be forgiven but not anybody else?

[Guest]

I don't know about anyone else, but I think Williams (again, I cannot call him Austin here) should be forgiven if he overcomes his personal demons--but that doesn't mean he should be allowed back into WWE, or the wrestling business entirely, for that matter. It's obviously not the place for him, nor do I want to see him there.

 

As for comparing him to Scott Hall, the difference is simple: Hall has been given many chances to redeem himself, and he always failed. This is the first time Williams has fucked up on such a level, so he deserves redemption. Hall, on the other hand, can fuck off.

[Guest chirs3]

And Hall frequently showed up drunk at shows, if I remember correct. Only recently (read: Wrestlemania) have Austin's problems come to interfere with his work.

 

I'm not saying we should forgive him, but it's not fair to compare him to Scotch Hall (whoever came up with that name, god bless you)...

 

Not YET.

[Guest]

Well it had to end sometime but it is sad that it had to end like this. I always expected Austin to leave the WWE with one big last match where the crowd would chant his name ad he be teary eye and a shot of him exiting the entrance would be shown. Not being Bret Hart-ed. Then again, no matter what, hitting your wife is wrong and Austin should be punished. Why would he run away if didn't do it. O.J. ran. And his career was going to end soon anyway. 15 years, neck surgery. And, I will miss him. He gave me so many good wrestling memories watching him every Monday night from 1998-2002. In fact, that is one of the reasons I still watch the WWE. Now, what?

 

No Austin, no Rock, no future superstars being pushed, Jericho being buried, Hogan, Undertaker, and Triple H. Say it with me: THE WWE WILL DIE!

[Guest evenflowDDT]

You're right that Hall may have been given too many chances (I honestly don't know), but I'm just saying don't play the "personal demons" argument, because it works for other wrestlers just as well.  Also, I can use the "Williams held the WWE on his back/he's such a focal character" argument to say that his ONE screw-up is so much worse than Hall's MULTIPLE screw-ups because of the differences in scale and importance of the two men.

 

Plus, you can technically still wrestle drunk, and it's probably more fun.  You can't perform at all if you never show up.

[Guest Austin3164life]

I sure hope this shit gets worked out.  I don't know Steve personally, but I know that everyone has their own personal demons.  I can't judge the man on what he has done in the past, or anything he will do. None of you can either.

 

Steve and the WWE have had a long and very prosperous relationship.  What he did was justifiable in my eyes, but hurt both sides and in the end hurt the fans, like myself.  I'm so fucking disappointed in all of this, and all this bullshit from everyone pisses me off.

 

This guy busted his ass for you, for all of you.  You get in the damned ring and take a few bumps.  Now multiply that times a huge number.  A show night in, and night out.  You think you have problems at home? Try supporting two children you love while not being able to see them.  At the same time you have a struggling marriage that you have to shove aside because you need to jump into a hard canvas and put on a show for people.  You hit your back and you hurt for them.  Just after you've had neck surgery.  You are asked to job to a newcomer with obvious potential, but with no buildup and at your sacrifice.  You've carried the damn company on your back for years and made countless money.  You did all this to be shoved aside for the roiding boss's daughter's boyfriend. This guy sits in the production meetings, gets the title seemingly whenever he wants, has Vince's ear, and has done what? WHAT?!?!  All his buddies got back in the federation and are starting to take shots at the biggest company man of them all (Rock).  Fuck that.

 

The man fucked up, I'll give you that.  He walked out on the fans, on his company.    He may even have fucked up his family life.  The man has issues.  A lot of them.  But they weren't brought on because he wasn't doing his job or because it was his fault.  He was a hard working son of a bitch who loved the business and worked for all of us.

 

Still, on this board, all I hear is Fuck Austin! Thank God he's gone! What an asshole!  Well I wish all of you would have just a small bit of consideration and judge not unless you are judged.  

 

He's done a lot.  The door is still open, things can be worked out.  Vince is still pissed off. Ross is too. So is Austin.  Everything comes around, in time.  Bret has tried to talk to Vince.  Vince says he forgives Bret.  That shit never really got completely resolved, but it got a lot closer to it than I would have ever thought. Hell, Vince contacted him for Wrestlemania!

 

Give it time.  And for God sakes stop all this bashing of a man in a situation we all know little about!

Spoken like a true Champion......that was exactly what I've been trying to say......thanks man.....

 

 

Austin 3:16 STILL Rules

[Guest Austin3164life]

Just one more thing to say.  Steve may have acted a bit hastily and selfishly on this matter, but the one to blame for this entire bullshit is none other than Vincent K. McMahon.  2002 has been one of the shittiest years in wrestling (and don't bring up ratings, I'm talking about product wise).  Vince brought in Scott Hall, who can't control his own life let alone a wrestling match, Kevin Nash, who is a lazy slug and can suck the life out of a program, and finally, Hulk Hogan.  Yes, he is a legend (even though I don't like him), and yes, it was a tad bit interesting to see the old timer back.  BUT COME ON PEOPLE.  Once the nWo was re-introduced, I clearly remember this board sucking their proverbial d*cks because of "nostalgia".  Now, a broken and religious Shawn Michaels comes back and tarnishes the legacy of Steve Austin, and takes a shot at The Rock.  Two wrestlers who drew more money than anyone by far (something HBK couldn't do for shit).  But no, everyone's fine with that.  So Steve Williams quits his job because he is sick of the writing/booking/management, and how the company is falling down the gutter (something we're all pissed about), and this whole board says "Oh Fuck him", like he's not worth anything.  I say one big "FUCK YOU" to all those who completely blame Austin and suck Vince's penis.  It's not Austin's fault that Vince cannot control his own damn company, and that he can't even recognize where he's failing in terms of wrestling product.  Austin actually does something WE ALL would do in his situation, but this board condemns his actions.  Well, when the WWE is doing 1's and 2's for ratings, and the Title just gets traded to the Clique members in a circle, I can't wait to hear everyone crying about how we need some good main eventers.  Steve Austin even tried to work things out with Vince but Vinny Mac is too damn stubborn to change things.  Instead, he has the damn Clique pretty much running the show.  Well fuck Vince, and fuck EVERYONE that completely blame Austin for what he did.  Kudos to Austin because he left once, had the balls to come back, work SHIT programs with Bradshaw and the NWO, talk about it with Vince, and put up with the writers/bookers' bullshit.  I hope this sends a message to Vince to wake the fuck up, because I would not be suprised if someone like the NWA-TNA sneaks their way in to the competition.....

[Guest humongous2002]

I admire and respect Steve Austin the wrestler, he was the bionic redneck that came from a career threatening injury back in 97, and became the #1 man that took the WWF to new different levels. Stone Cold is bigger than any wrestler alive or dead right now, everybody in the world could relate to this character that didn't take shit from nobody not even his boss.He always gave the fans tons of entertainment either in the ring wrestling or doing those funny backstage skits.Steve Austin is the man that we saw on tv every monday or thursday night but Steve Williams is the man behind the character. Steve Williams so far sounds to me like a paranoid, unprofessional, stubborn,cowardly, and alledgedly a wife beater with a huge ego. Steve Williams is a man on the edge, a man that needs some psychological help, even though WWE haven't done anything to make him happy, it doesn't mean he's got the rights to piss all over the fans , his friends, his coworkers and his bosses. He's self destructing and it seems that WWE wants to capitalize on that, turning into another "Bret screwed Bret" type of thing instead of just elevating the right wrestlers and forgetting about the ratings for now. Having Taker, HHH, NWO and Hogan on top it's not the answer, all of them had their chances to shine and now their job should be giving the rub to the future superstars of the WWE. Kicking the man that made the company richer than it was before while he is down is not the answer,Steve has already hit Rock bottom and right now he needs all the help he could get. Will I cheer for him again if he ever returns to the ring in the future? I truly don't know because I'm very dissapointed of what he's doing to himself and his close family. Walking out on a company can be forgiven, beating on a woman not once but on several ocassions is something very hard to swallow and very hard to forgive. Hopefully someday the old Stone Cold will come back.

[Guest chirs3]

 Now, a broken and religious Shawn Michaels comes back and tarnishes the legacy of Steve Austin, and takes a shot at The Rock.  Two wrestlers who drew more money than anyone by far (something HBK couldn't do for shit).  But no, everyone's fine with that.

 

Are you on the right board? I can not BEGIN to count the number of people ON THIS BOARD who were up in arms over Michaels' comment.

 

So Steve Williams quits his job because he is sick of the writing/booking/management, and how the company is falling down the gutter (something we're all pissed about), and this whole board says "Oh Fuck him", like he's not worth anything.  I say one big "FUCK YOU" to all those who completely blame Austin and suck Vince's penis.  It's not Austin's fault that Vince cannot control his own damn company, and that he can't even recognize where he's failing in terms of wrestling product.

 

No, it's not Austin's fault that the company's in the toilet. BUT YOU DON'T FUCKING WALK OUT ON THEM. If you HAVE to leave, you say "Hey Vince, I want out, here's how I want it done." If you just HAVE to get out, you do it like a goddamned professional.

 

Austin actually does something WE ALL would do in his situation, but this board condemns his actions.

 

If it's true that we all would do this, then I weep for the future.

 

Well, when the WWE is doing 1's and 2's for ratings, and the Title just gets traded to the Clique members in a circle, I can't wait to hear everyone crying about how we need some good main eventers.  Steve Austin even tried to work things out with Vince but Vinny Mac is too damn stubborn to change things.

 

Uhh... Where's the evidence of Vince's stubborness? All the info we have to work from is Confidential, and from Confidential we learned Austin whined to JR, then supposedly got clear with Vince... then the next day he walked.

 

Instead, he has the damn Clique pretty much running the show.  Well fuck Vince, and fuck EVERYONE that completely blame Austin for what he did.  Kudos to Austin because he left once, had the balls to come back, work SHIT programs with Bradshaw and the NWO, talk about it with Vince, and put up with the writers/bookers' bullshit.  I hope this sends a message to Vince to wake the fuck up, because I would not be suprised if someone like the NWA-TNA sneaks their way in to the competition.....

 

I love Stone Cold Steve Austin. He got me back into wrestling, he's given me wonderful memories. I still have old tapes of Raw with him buried down in the basement, maybe I'll whip 'em out tonight.

 

But HOW THE HELL can you say this man is blameless?! He gave a middle finger to the company and to all the fans with "WHAT?!" signs in that arena and all the Austin fans around the globe. If he wanted out so badly, get an injury or do a retirement angle. But he didn't.

 

JR and Vince tried to work it out with him - guess what happened? He whined to JR, then "came to an understanding" with Vince which he flushed down the crapper the next day by not showing up.

 

AUSTIN IS TO BLAME.

[Guest Human Fly]

Just one more thing to say.  Steve may have acted a bit hastily and selfishly on this matter, but the one to blame for this entire bullshit is none other than Vincent K. McMahon.  2002 has been one of the shittiest years in wrestling (and don't bring up ratings, I'm talking about product wise).  Vince brought in Scott Hall, who can't control his own life let alone a wrestling match, Kevin Nash, who is a lazy slug and can suck the life out of a program, and finally, Hulk Hogan.  Yes, he is a legend (even though I don't like him), and yes, it was a tad bit interesting to see the old timer back.  BUT COME ON PEOPLE.  Once the nWo was re-introduced, I clearly remember this board sucking their proverbial d*cks because of "nostalgia".  Now, a broken and religious Shawn Michaels comes back and tarnishes the legacy of Steve Austin, and takes a shot at The Rock.  Two wrestlers who drew more money than anyone by far (something HBK couldn't do for shit).  But no, everyone's fine with that.  So Steve Williams quits his job because he is sick of the writing/booking/management, and how the company is falling down the gutter (something we're all pissed about), and this whole board says "Oh Fuck him", like he's not worth anything.  I say one big "FUCK YOU" to all those who completely blame Austin and suck Vince's penis.  It's not Austin's fault that Vince cannot control his own damn company, and that he can't even recognize where he's failing in terms of wrestling product.

 

I can understand how Steve was pissed about that. But, I think it comes down to the fact that Steve gave his suggestions and if they weren't going to use them well he still needed to do his job to the best of his ability and make it Vince's problem, which it is.

 

Austin actually does something WE ALL would do in his situation, but this board condemns his actions.  

 

I'm pretty sure that everyone who has had a job has had to do something they don't like. They don't go storming off and go home. If they do they get fired. People say "well, it's different". It's not. Steve was getting paid by Vince to wrestle, and appear on his shows. I don't believe Steve had creative control in his contract either. Steve is now in breach of contract. And if WE ALL are going to walk off jobs when there is something we don't like, then WE ALL had better be buying lottery tickets.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

I am mostly on Austin's side on this.  Yeah, he could have acted a little more professionally and given Vince advance notice, and yeah, if the Debra stories really are true (I'll wait to judge until I hear more), I'm really disappointed in him.  However, I see nothing wrong with Austin standing up against the hellhole that the WWE has become.  Sheesh, we've been bashing the WWE's politics, writing and lack of direction on this board for the greater part of the past year.  I've been waiting for someone to finally take a stand against it.  Austin finally has the balls to take that stand, and now everyone's up in arms *against him*?  What the hell?  How is the company supposed to change for the better if everyone just obeys Vince's every command?  Someone needed to do what Austin did if the WWE was ever going to change for the better.

 

I'm a little miffed by all the people expecting blind obedience toward Vince, I must say.  Austin has made Vince hundreds of millions of dollars.  He has worked his ass off for years and sustained countless injuries to make Vince a very, very rich man.  Without Austin, it's not clear that Vince would even be in business at this point.  So why is everyone still looking at this as a master/servant relationship?  I think Austin has more than earned the right to be treated as an equal, and as such, to have a say when it comes to the company's direction.  I can't believe that people are saying stuff like "I don't care if the writers told Steve he'd be switching his gimmick to Chuckabilly's new tutu-wearing "special friend", you don't just WALK OUT of a live show".  That's fucking bullshit, wrestlers aren't just pawns for Vince to mess around with.  If Austin didn't like the direction in which the company was heading, he has every right to quit.  He just should have given Vince more notice, that was the only thing he did wrong.

 

Anyway, regardless of your opinion on this particular situation, I think everyone should take awhile to reflect on just how much Austin has given the business and just how many hours he has entertained you.  Even if you condemn him for this, at least respect the rest of his career.

[Guest Risk]

I'm really tired of all the Austin threads.  It's over, lets just try to forget about it.  It's not like we can do anything about it.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Yeah, it's all pretty much been said in the other threads anyway.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

<<<Uhh... Where's the evidence of Vince's stubborness? All the info we have to work from is Confidential, and from Confidential we learned Austin whined to JR, then supposedly got clear with Vince... then the next day he walked.>>>

 

Well *of course* we learned on Confidential that JR and Vince were the good guys and Austin was the bad guy.  It's Confidential.  It's a WWE show.  Do you really think that Vince is going to show a truly objective look at the whole thing?  Did we hear anything from Austin about the last week's events?  Of course not.

 

It's dangerous to judge a situation when you've only heard one side of the story...

[Guest alfdogg]

I'd agree with Risk, but I'd have the whole board calling me a hypocrite since I am a HHHater.

[Guest chirs3]

I see nothing wrong with Austin standing up against the hellhole that the WWE has become.  Sheesh, we've been bashing the WWE's politics, writing and lack of direction on this board for the greater part of the past year.  I've been waiting for someone to finally take a stand against it.  Austin finally has the balls to take that stand, and now everyone's up in arms *against him*?  What the hell?  How is the company supposed to change for the better if everyone just obeys Vince's every command?  Someone needed to do what Austin did if the WWE was ever going to change for the better.

 

Austin didn't take a stand. He ran. Taking a stand would have been "Alright Vince, here's how it'll be. If the writing and stories don't pick up, I want to be injured and OFF TV until things are better." Or "I'll stage a strike.", something to make Vince cave.

 

I'm a little miffed by all the people expecting blind obedience toward Vince, I must say.

 

Vince = boss. Austin = employee.

 

Austin has made Vince hundreds of millions of dollars.  He has worked his ass off for years and sustained countless injuries to make Vince a very, very rich man.  Without Austin, it's not clear that Vince would even be in business at this point.  So why is everyone still looking at this as a master/servant relationship?

 

Because it IS a master/servant relationship. No matter how much money Austin made for McMahon, McMahon runs the company. People need to understand this.

 

I can't believe that people are saying stuff like "I don't care if the writers told Steve he'd be switching his gimmick to Chuckabilly's new tutu-wearing "special friend", you don't just WALK OUT of a live show".  That's fucking bullshit, wrestlers aren't just pawns for Vince to mess around with.  

 

That was my quote, so I guess I'll respond by saying No, it's not bullshit. Austin is an employee of the WWE. He is a wrestler. He is paid to go out and perform storylines written by... THE WRITERS. I'm sure Austin had input for his character, and the writers, for whatever reason, found it unacceptable. That does not make Austin's hissyfit acceptable.

 

Anyway, regardless of your opinion on this particular situation, I think everyone should take awhile to reflect on just how much Austin has given the business and just how many hours he has entertained you.  Even if you condemn him for this, at least respect the rest of his career.

 

This I will agree on. I don't think people (some I've seen on here) should say "There went any respect I've ever had for him." He did bust his ass, he did entertain us, and he did it day in day out, and he did it well, and I respect him for that.

[Guest Austin3164life]

I've been waiting for someone to finally take a stand against it.  Austin finally has the balls to take that stand, and now everyone's up in arms *against him*?  What the hell?  How is the company supposed to change for the better if everyone just obeys Vince's every command?  

Thank you!!

 

Everyone who is against Austin on this is pretty much representing the proverbial "mark" side of this forum.  All they do is obey Vince McMahon, whether they realize it or not.....

 

Yes, Austin should have said "Hey Vince, I'm sick of this crap, I'm out of here in about two weeks unless u can change my mind".  He acted a bit hastily, but correctly nonetheless.  Christ, how many of us have been begging for good product?  Austin was probably just as anxious as we are to be involved in a great feud.  Instead, he's booked in a stupid "Piss With OJ" segment.  Is Vince that blind to see that Austin has made Vince his vast fortune, and Vince turns a deaf ear on Austin, but opens his other ear to Triple H and the Clique??

[Guest chirs3]

Well *of course* we learned on Confidential that JR and Vince were the good guys and Austin was the bad guy.  It's Confidential.  It's a WWE show.  Do you really think that Vince is going to show a truly objective look at the whole thing?  Did we hear anything from Austin about the last week's events?  Of course not.

 

It's dangerous to judge a situation when you've only heard one side of the story...

 

I said the ONLY info we have is Confidential, and I for one have no reason to suspect Vince and JR are lying.

 

Suppose they are lying. Suppose they're just big fat liars.

 

1) I'm willing to bet at least a dozen other people know the whole story, and would be more than willing to leak it.

 

2) I don't think Austin will have a hard time finding an audience to tell the truth to - and they will listen.

 

No, I don't think it was a truly objective view, but I don't think Vince said "Hey, let's smear his ass", because he accepted some of the blame, said he felt like he failed, and I have no reason at the moment to think he's lying.

 

I will also say, right here and now, if the Bah Gawd truth comes out and Austin was shafted by Vince somehow, I will willingly and gladly retract everything I've said and will say.

[Guest Austin3164life]

The bottom line is, yes, I think I realize that Austin is the employee and Vince is the boss, but I think ANY boss has to respect and honor the opinion of his employees, ESPECIALLY the employees that help fill his pockets.  All bosses should respect and value their employees and their opinions.  Vince is just to bloated and too blind to realize his own faults.  What's the word?  Egomania I believe.....