Rocky to win Undisputed World Title...

[Guest Downhome]

I posted part of this in another thread, but felt it could be a thread of it's own, so, here we go...

 

...people, I wouldn't be suprised if I was you if come KOTR, Rocky somehow leaves the building with the Undisputed World Title. Think about it...

 

...Rocky gets an impromtu title shot against the winner of Taker/HHH, Rocky wins it. Then on the other side, Brock Lesnar wins the KOTR. Then, from here to SummerSlam, we build up a Rocky Vs. Lesnar match for said title. Lesnar wins it in a huge upset, with Vince's help (Vince says Brock is the next big thing and that Rocky can just go back to Hollywood). After the loss, Rocky goes back to Hollywood to film his next two movies.

 

Seems like something logical to me, don't ya think?

 

As it stands, WWE is getting quite desperate and they need to really do something to get their fans back noticing their programs and product and it is a known fact that Rocky does indeed equal ratings. Having him come back will do ratings, having him at KOTR will improve the buyrate, and having him WIN the title at KOTR would make everybody stand up again, and tune into the shows. Then, when whoever wins the KOTR goes on to beat him at SS, it would make THEM look that much greater, having beaten Rocky at the second biggest PPV of the year. Then, from there with the Rock gone in Hollywood once again, they will have a respected and believable Undisputed Champion heel.

 

If I was going to do this idea, I'd have Vince annouce that the winner of Taker/HHH would face Rocky for the world title, I'd also have him say that Rocky will present the trophy to the winner of the KOTR right after the final match in the tourny. I'd have Brock win (or Jericho, that could work wonders since Rocky has a hell of a history with Y2J), and Rocky is forced to present the trophy. Rocky and the winner gets into it, and Rocky is apparently "hurt"...

 

...from there, they build it that Rocky can't fight after all, and right after the main event, the winner stands in the ring waiting for Rock, and right when JR and King says that's all for the show, Rocky's music hits and he comes walking out taped up, to take on the champion. Then, after overcoming the odds, he wins the World Title, as the apparent underdog. The winner of the KOTR comes out and stands at the entrance way and stares Rocky down, as he is on the mat holding the title, holding himself halfway up on the ropes, bleeding and beaten, even though he won.

 

So there, IF they were going to do the Rocky/Y2J or Brock idea, this is how I'd pull it off.

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest Shadow]

This would suck more than sucking should be possiable if they did it. Brock Lesnar is NOT ready to be the WWE Undisputed World Champion. If they want to push a new guy to the title THAT bad, they have a guy who's ready and already over with the crowd, and his name is Rob Van Dam. Simple- have Brock be cost his KOTR Finals match by whoever they want him to feud with against RVD, giving him the win and the Summerslam title shot. Have Taker retain against Triple H, and then built to Taker vs. RVD at Summerslam, with RVD going over cleanly and getting the title. Taker gives RVD the rub, the title doesn't change hands every fucking month for the forth month in the row, and Brock can still feud with Rock, Flair, or whoever to continue to build him up, but he is NOT ready to get the title at Summerslam. RVD is.

[Guest Downhome]

This would suck more than sucking should be possiable if they did it. Brock Lesnar is NOT ready to be the WWE Undisputed World Champion. If they want to push a new guy to the title THAT bad, they have a guy who's ready and already over with the crowd, and his name is Rob Van Dam. Simple- have Brock be cost his KOTR Finals match by whoever they want him to feud with against RVD, giving him the win and the Summerslam title shot. Have Taker retain against Triple H, and then built to Taker vs. RVD at Summerslam, with RVD going over cleanly and getting the title. Taker gives RVD the rub, the title doesn't change hands every fucking month for the forth month in the row, and Brock can still feud with Rock, Flair, or whoever to continue to build him up, but he is NOT ready to get the title at Summerslam. RVD is.

Hey, it isn't what I said I want to happen. It's what I seem logical to happen. Rocky would help WWE out greatly doing this. If they did do the Rocky thing, I'd have it be Rocky/Jericho at Summerslam, that would work quite nicely for my taste. Then they can build an RVD/Lesnar feud for the IC title. Sounds like a begining to a great Summerslam card to me!

[Guest converge241]

I could see them doing that (rock - Brock @ slam).

then having Taker lose the belt to rock (or HHH, considering their history/feuds) @ Vengence as a way to "calm the fans" by giving them what they want, a reliable guy in there and then have him lose to Brock because he does not care and jobs too much anyway.

 

I dont think its a good idea though.. as worst case that would be SEVEN undisputed champions since it was created/since the year started (one in the same but they are both as bad).

 

They are obviously going to do a Rock-Brock at some point since they did it at Raw last night but I hope it does not go that way. Id rather see them in a non-title.

[Guest bcu1979]

I don't know about that whole scenario but Rock/Jericho at SummerSlam would be awesome and might be enough to get me to buy a WWE PPV again. Give it 25 minutes and I'll forgive whatever crappy main event they have.

 

I think whoever takes the title from Taker should hold it for several months so I don't like the idea of putting the belt on Rock to get it over Lesnar. Granted, I hate the entire idea of putting the belt anywhere near Lesnar. He's nowhere near ready and he's not the least bit over. And this is not one of those, "well, he'll grow into it things." He should probably still be in OVW.

 

They could always do Rock/Lesnar at Vengeance with Jericho interfering to lead to to Triple H/Lesnar and Rock/Jericho at SummerSlam. The only problem is if you put Lesnar in the main event at SummerSlam then he has to win the match or it comes across as another guy hitting his head on the glass ceiling. It seems like a lose-lose situation at the moment.

[Guest Anglesault]

They could always do Rock/Lesnar at Vengeance with Jericho interfering to lead to to Triple H/Lesnar and Rock/Jericho at SummerSlam. The only problem is if you put Lesnar in the main event at SummerSlam then he has to win the match or it comes across as another guy hitting his head on the glass ceiling. It seems like a lose-lose situation at the moment.

Who the hell could sit through HHH/Lesnar for 20 minutes?

 

And put the belt on RVD at Summerslam

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Rock challenging the winner of the KOTR main event that night and winning just so reeks of WM 9...

[Guest Anglesault]

But the difference would be, they are taking it off a shitty champ (Most likey HHH) and putting it on a good one, as opposed to taking it off an Okayish one (Yoko) and putting it on star with declining appeal.

[Guest]

Hello, but was I the only one watching RAW last night? Did anybody else notice that whole arena go through the fuckin' roof when Rocky's music hit? Like it or not, Hollywood or not, the whole federation now rests on the Rock's shoulders. They couldn't have picked a better performer. Now I'm sure that Rock's got no problem putting younger talent over...he spent all of last year doing that. But having Brock get the title off him at Summerslam would be dumb. Brock is not ME material yet! Give him a couple of years. Haste makes waste...Remember Golberg's monster push? Too much, too soon. Now look how nice it has been to see the likes of Booker T's ever so slow face turn....He stretched that out for about two or three months, and now he's way over...MAN THEY ARE POPPING FOR THE FUCKIN' SPINAROONI! Let them take their time with Brock, and let's all pray that they've learned a valuable lesson with Austin walking out. The Rock's gonna be on the shows as much as possible, and I'm hoping that Vince and Co. don't want to mess with that by putting a rookie over the Rock. Let the Undertaker hang on to the UC for another two months, and then drop it to Rock. He owes the job to Rocky anyway, and that would put at least a little more value on an already worthless belt. Then (and we can only hope) Rocky will drop the title back to Jericho, CLEAN, and go film a movie. Of course, what do I know, I'm just a fan!

[Guest cabbageboy]

Ok, I think the HHH hating has gotten out of hand.  I don't want him to get the title, but saying that he is worse than Yokozuna is just over the line.  I mean, Yoko is the worst guy who has EVER held the world title for any decent length of time.  Yokozuna was an even fatter and more heatless version of Rikishi.  No mic skills, no real wrestling talent, no heat.....he was just really fat, so he got a push.

 

I heard someone say Brock reminded them of Ludvig Borga, and oddly enough I thought that same thing.  It is utterly insulting to push Lesnar over RVD.  Rob Van Dam has been the WWE's most consistent performer over the past year for god's sake.  Lesnar is an unover, green rookie who hasn't shown much of anything in terms of moveset or getting heat.

[Guest chirs3]

Nothing to do with Rocky, but this does have to do with the title.

 

Anyone think one/both of the Hardyz will run in and cost UT the title? I think we can tell the outcome of the ME by the outcome of the KotR, unless there's a turn for the champ.

 

If RVD wins, Taker wins. If Brock (god forbid) or Jericho wins, Triple H wins.

 

Here's hoping for a SWERVE~!

[Guest El Satanico]

I've never been a fan of Rock and would've been happy to never see him in WWeee. However with that said WWeee does need him now and would be a good idea to put the belt on him.

 

WWeee MUST do a major rebuild and shake up the roster some if they don't want to keep falling. Rock being the champ would make the transition easier since he's a proven money maker and can carry wweee. HHH can't carry them while they "rebuild" because fans don't care about him enough. Undertaker isn't bad as a heel champ, but i don't think WWeee would want him to carry them.

 

But the problem is that does Vince realize that he needs to shake up the rosters or does he believe that Rock and Steiner and/or Goldberg are the answers to all of WWeee's problems. Well we shall find out before long.

 

But as Vince's theme music says "Noooo Cluuuue...That's what cha got". So be afraid...very afraid.

[Guest Human Fly]

I think that the Rock return has two meanings. 1. They need some star power and they need it now since Austin left. 2. They are looking at a sorry buyrate for KOTR because of a crappy ME and they are going to pimp the Rock's involvement for said event to try and get some buys.

 

That being said I would have no problem with the Rock getting the belt. Has he ever had a decent title run? He's had the belt six times. One time he had it for around 4 months, every other time it's been roughly a month. If he's going to be around for an extended period of time again, let him run with it from Wrestlemania to Survivor Series or something like that.

[Guest Risk]

So...here are our potential main events.

 

1: Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar

 

2: The Undertaker vs. RVD

 

3: Triple H vs. RVD

 

4: The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar

 

1: No chance in hell of Triple H jobbing his title a month after he's won it.

 

2: There is a chance of RVD winning here, but only if Taker wants him to win.  We know Triple H won't want him to win.  

 

3: No way of RVD going over in this situation.

 

4: An unlikely match, but Taker would most likey win.  Unless he wants to put over Lesnar.

[Guest]

"We know Triple H won't want him to win."

 

How do we know?  I don't know, was I left out of the loop?

 

--Rob

[Guest chirs3]

It's a HHHate comment.

 

Of those, Undertaker/RVD is easily the best option.

 

I'm still hoping that Jericho wins KotR and beats Trip's ass at SS. However, if the King will NOT win at SS, then Jericho shouldn't win the tourney.

[Guest]

UT vs. RVD would make the most sense, considering their past with each other....

 

god, i hope that doesn't mean its not gonna happen now.

[Guest Flyboy]

UT vs. RVD would make the most sense, considering their past with each other....

 

god, i hope that doesn't mean its not gonna happen now.

Of course that would make the most sense, BUT... you have to use WWE logic here.  ???

[Guest]

The really bad thing is RVD is one of the few people who can bring out a good match from UT these days.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

But the difference would be, they are taking it off a shitty champ (Most likey HHH) and putting it on a good one, as opposed to taking it off an Okayish one (Yoko) and putting it on star with declining appeal.

 

You are calling Bret Hart ok?  If it wasn't for Hogan's ego trip, Hart would have retained.  The reason we hate Wrestlemania IX is because the belt goes from Hart to Hogan.  It isn't Yoko that we are pissed about losing the title.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

1: No chance in hell of Triple H jobbing his title a month after he's won it.

 

you forgot this april then

[Guest Downhome]

Undertaker isn't bad as a heel champ, but i don't think WWeee would want him to carry them.

 

Ya think? In my opinion, as long as he is in ANY type of feud with The Hardyz, he is the LAST person that should be holding the Undisputed World Title.

[Guest]

Last-night-after-Raw-went-off-the-air,Brock-Lesnar-came-down-to-the-ring-and-confronted-

The-Rock.He-recieved-a-Rock-Bottom-for-his-it.Paul-Heyman-recieved-a-People's-Elbow.

Why-would-Brock-come-down-to-the-ring?

 

If-the-WWE-was-smart-enough-they-would-let-Test-win-the

King-Of-The-Ring-and-let-The-Undertaker-retain-the-title,this-would-set-up-the-AWESOME-

main-event-at-Summerslam.

 

Test-Vs-The-Undertaker!

 

Doesn't-that-sound-great?

[Guest Austin3164life]

Um, yea.....

 

The Rock vs. Chris Jericho would be nice (If Chris were to get the KOTR win)......but we've seen it already a few times......

 

The Rock vs. RVD is their best bet.....Brock is a bit too green and RVD and The Rock have good chemistry.  Let RVD get the win, and let them square off at Summerslam.....

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

Okay let me bring up a couple of points here.

 

Ring Rust. Unless the Rock has been doing alot of in-ring work while he's been gone (excuse me if he has) he's not exactly going to be his old **** self, you know? The worst thing they could do was bring him back and have him look so retarded in the ring so much that the fans are dissapointed. If there was ever a time that fans could be disenchanted with The Great One, now is it.

 

Title Credibility. Here's another big one. If another title change occurs at KotR, we have this awful problem that the title means ZILCH anymore. True, Jericho/HHH/Hogan's reigns really killed it but it's on life support here. The flipeside is that mabye somebody as big as the Rock holding the title could bring back a load of credibility.

 

Greenish. Brock is green, there's not way WWE should put the title on him. If they do, I'm going to be fucking flabberghasted. I could see them putting Lesnar in a program with Rocky to get him over, but not for the world title for chrissakes. Another thing, as good as RVD is, he's also still sloppy. I don't think he'll be fine-tuned enough until around December or so, but what other options are there?

 

Let's take a look at the list of potential title holders, eh?

1. Undertaker. He's reasonably over and is bringing credability back to the belt, not much of a draw though.

2. HHH. Not a draw, but he is over.

3. Rob Van Dam. Over, maybe he is a draw, maybe not.

4. The Rock. Over and a draw, might be green in the ring.

5. Brock Lesnar. Not over, not a draw, green. That could change.

 

With that said, let me give you my personal choice of a scenario.

 

At KotR, Undertaker retains from Triple H by running his leg over with the motorcycle. They can play the injury angle and with that give HHH more time to recover so he's not going through hell every night down in the ring. Then, at Vengence, go Undertaker/HHH who's back from his injury just in time for the PPV. Get a little pop in the buys probably from HHH fanboys. Have HHH lose this time again, and bam he belt is credible again. SummerSlam is The Undertaker v. The Rock, with the Rock winning in a hell of a battle, then after he gets the title leaving with it. Now everyone is pissed because there is no world title, so you can have all the characters act kind of bitter and jaded.

 

This would be the perfect way to phase in a more serious wrestling-driven WWF. Everyone is pissed that Rock took the title, so when he comes back the fans will absolutly explode with cheers of their champion who now has a very large kind of mistique about him. Think about the kind of heat this will get the belt... Very rarely seen, very rarely defended.

 

Just my idea. I think it would make the Undisputed Champ a big deal again because it would be so ellusive.

 

Then again this could blow up, the fans could get pissed that Rocky left with the belt and no one else gets a shot and completely turn on Rocky. The fans might even stop caring, who knows? Just soemthing I cooked up in fifteen minutes.

[Guest]

UT vs. RVD would make the most sense, considering their past with each other....

Yes it would and from my vantage point it seems RVD is one of the only few wrestlers that can pull out a good match against Taker plus if you all remeber RVD told vince that when he jobbed to taker for the hardcore title at Vengance he wanted to Beat Taker on TV and yet he still hasn't got an on air win against Taker since the Vengance PPV.

[Guest El Satanico]

After reading some more stuff i'm retracting my Rock statement. Rock shouldn't win the belt and they don't need him to. I agree with Undertaker/RVD being the best match to carry WWeee into SS. For some reason i wasn't thinking about thier existing history when i said that stuff about Rock. Also i forgot about the lack of big heels other then Undertaker to fued with Rock at this point(until Beniot is back up to speed with a full schedule).

 

Undertaker vs. RVD should become the focal point until SS with Rock providing stability with some near main event fueds(with Brock, Beniot and Jericho perhaps if he resigns) for the two or three months that he will stick around. Undertaker vs. RVD would make for best fued and matches based on history and rvd being able to pry decent matches out of Undertaker.

 

Then when RVD finally beats Undertaker for the belt there's no reason to doubt that he would be cemented as a legit main eventer then. If they want to totally cement him as legit then they could do a short RVD/Rock fued where both "respect" each other and want to see how they stack up to each other.

 

RVD being made into a legit main eventer thanks to the Undertaker feud and Rock working with guys like Brock, Beniot, Jericho, Angle would get the roster shake up off to a great start. RVD would likely be insanely over and if they did it right Rock would be able to establish and restablish 4 heels and they need legit heels badly.

 

The only problem with all of this is HHH. That basically leaves him out of anything meaningful for 3 months, unless he gets involved with Rock as perhaps a partner or as a heel helping the others take him out because of their history. Rather or not he has as much pull as is rumored i think we can all agree that HHH isn't going to let that stand without a fight.

 

Damn it would be so much easier if HHH would just magically disappear.

 

 

:points to bps and taps nose:

 

you know what must be done...it's in your hands now

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Rock challenging the winner of the KOTR main event that night and winning just so reeks of WM 9...

It reeks of Paul Heyman, whom last I heard, now had some writing stroke, so it isn't that far fetched.