Guest Y2DAYDAY Report post Posted June 19, 2002 At least in Vince McMahon's eyes, it isn't a big enough match to headline the second biggest show of the year. Plus the UT title run has been a total flop and the belt is going back on HHH, especially since the ratings have been dropping ever since he lost the strap. As for KOTR, Edge is going to cost Jericho the match against RVD. IF Jericho was going to win the tourny, they would have kept Booker T in it and had that as the final. BTW, this has nothing to do with Jericho's contract because JERICHO ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. It isn't being reported whether he resigned or not because it doesn't matter because WWE wants him to stay, he wants to stay, and there is no where else to consider even going to. No doubt he has resigned though by now or else he would be getting jobbed out on TV every week. So that leaves RVD and Brock Lesnar. AS much as Lesnar supposedly isn't over, neither was HHH. 6 months later, he was the biggest heel in a long time, and besides Vince himself, he was the biggest heel since Piper b/c Yoko never drew well. Pushes and fan acceptance of a guy in a certain role takes time. Either guy could win but I think they are going with Lesnar. And I just cannot see them keeping the strap on Undertaker because that would lead to the July PPV not drawing shit. Edge will be wrestling supposedly by the first week of July so they could put him in that spot but that would mean messing with the KOTR winner's title shot. Looks like they are headed toward an Edge vs Jericho program for the summer. I don't care what the SS main event is as long as they have someone knew in the main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted June 19, 2002 Back when HHH was getting his monster push ratings were up, and business was doing great. They kept pushing HHH until he finally got over. Now that things aren't going as well I don't know if they can afford to give Brock the same kind of push without ratings falling even more. On top of that, does Brock have anyone that will put him over like Foley put over HHH? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted June 19, 2002 UT's run been a flop? Hardly. If they would have... oh say... RVD Vs. UT in a HIAC match, regardless that would probably say. One, because RVD's in the main event. Two, because it's a gimmick match. And UT Vs. RVD isn't main event material? It can't draw? Well, Brock isn't even in the league yet to be in a main event... so the acks him. Triple H Vs. RVD wouldn't work... face vs. face. Plus, RVD is more over the Hunter, so he ain't having it. Triple H Vs. Brock? Hunter isn't jobbing to Brock. No way. No how. It would be a VERY boring main event, too. Triple H Vs. Test? Oh God, no... Triple H Vs. Jericho? I think Jericho is too damaged to even be considered in main event status, sadly.. plus, it's been done over and over with the same outcome. Undertaker Vs. Brock? Makes no sense.. UT Vs. Jericho? Heel Vs. Heel, PLUS Jericho is damaged goods. UT Vs. Test? (See HHH Vs. Test) UT Vs. RVD? Well... let's see. They have a history. They DID main event a Raw. They can put on a pretty decent match. UT might be willing to pass the torch. RVD bumps like a madman... hmmm... "I don't care what the SS main event is as long as they have someone knew in the main event." I don't want someone new who isn't ready and isn't over... *points to Brock* Brock needs to maybe get in a feud with Rocky... and win it. That WOULD get him over. Rock Vs. Brock at SS for the "pre-main event". People say RVD isn't ready for main eventing, but the guy IS over and given the opportunity he could possibly run wild with it. But, after all that ranting... you probably are right. Using WWE logic, RVD Vs. UT won't work for SS. So, we'll probably get HHH Vs. Brock or something like that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 19, 2002 You know if you think about it UT has been one of the better champions this year, comapared to Jericho, HHh, and Hogan, and the only true major flop was HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Y2DAYDAY Report post Posted June 19, 2002 Actually Hogan was the biggest flop as his run as champ started the decline we are currently in. Undertaker has not done anything for ratings as champ as Smackdown has reached new lows during his reign. I think it will be HHH vs Brock and that HHH will do the job, sort of like the Goldberg vs Hogan deal with Hogan putting him over but getting promised Goldberg's first defeat. HHH would then win the belt back down the line. Or HHH will just win pedigree 1-2-3. Rob is ready for main events but Taker vs RVD is not, at least in WWE's eyes, A Summerslam main event caliber match. It is a good idea in theory but they would be better off doing Edge vs HHH,Booker T vs HHH, or RVD vs HHH, assuming HHH would turn heel before Summerslam. All of those matches would draw I think and they are fresh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 19, 2002 Rob is ready for main events but Taker vs RVD is not, at least in WWE's eyes, A Summerslam main event caliber match. From the man who did Mabel vs. Diesel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted June 20, 2002 RVD vs. Taker is exactly the main event RVD should have. The history is too big to ignore. And as I posted in my "bps21 looks into the future" thread...Brock will win the KOTR...but I GUARANTEE you HHH hands him his first loss at Summerslam. Leaving the whole ordeal pointless, heatless, bad and with a buildup no one cares about. Like I said...with a 2 month builid (ala WrestleMAnia) a face has to be the challenger...that way fans will actually...you know...want him to win and care. RVD is the only face in the tourney. Logic dictates this is not only a must...but the feud that makes the most sense in all of the company. WWE logic dictates the opposite will happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted June 20, 2002 RVD vs. Taker is good enough to be the title match at SS, wether or not it's enough to be the main match is debatable. I think the WWE would do well to pencil this in tentatively as the main, but if the buildup/heat arn't too great, it can get bumped down and they can have the Rock main event instead as their contingency plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 20, 2002 RVD vs. Taker is exactly the main event RVD should have. The history is too big to ignore. And as I posted in my "bps21 looks into the future" thread...Brock will win the KOTR...but I GUARANTEE you HHH hands him his first loss at Summerslam. Leaving the whole ordeal pointless, heatless, bad and with a buildup no one cares about. Like I said...with a 2 month builid (ala WrestleMAnia) a face has to be the challenger...that way fans will actually...you know...want him to win and care. RVD is the only face in the tourney. Logic dictates this is not only a must...but the feud that makes the most sense in all of the company. WWE logic dictates the opposite will happen. Good god, if they are going to have Brock win KOTR he shouldn't job to HHH at SS, if that's the main event of course. That would be such a waste of time with his push. Of course HHHunter probably won't do the job and it does seem soon for Lesnar to be wearing the title. I smell the WWE giving us HHH vs Test. That sounds logical for them these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted June 20, 2002 WWE logic dictates the opposite will happen. Bingo. RVD vs. Taker aint happening at Summerslam. Don't worry. I would like to see Jericho get his long awaited win over HHH, and that isn't happening either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted June 20, 2002 The noyl two matches that really make sense are RVD over Undertaker and Jericho over HHH. But neither of those is going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted June 20, 2002 I like the Undertaker since he has won the title. Sure, some of the segments he has been involved in were uncalled for (puke) however his match quality has gone up. This may in fact have a large part to do with his working with younger, faster talent however it seems as if he has tweaked his moveset a little to help his older, slower body. In example, he tends to now do his chokeslam on a running opponent so as to use their momentum against thing. Also, he seems to be doing a running big boot now as opposed to how he use to do it Hogan style. This is better for balance, especially since he is getting older. I hope that the Undertaker retains the title, not just because I don't want Triple H to win it again, but because I have a feeling that this will be the Undertaker's Last Ride so to speak. How ironic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair Report post Posted June 20, 2002 RVD vs. Taker is exactly the main event RVD should have. The history is too big to ignore. I Agree and i also think that RVD VS Taker At Summerslam can Draw if done properly they have a 2 month build up to do it but knowing the WWE HHH will win the title at KOTR Brock will win the Tournament and lose the right to Face HHH against Rock at Vengenance. Setting up HHH VS The Rock at Summerslam which the WWE probably thinks is there best option for the second biggest PPV of the Year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted June 20, 2002 The noyl two matches that really make sense are RVD over Undertaker and Jericho over HHH. But neither of those is going to happen. hey brian, what's a noyl ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted June 20, 2002 The noyl two matches that really make sense are RVD over Undertaker and Jericho over HHH. But neither of those is going to happen. hey brian, what's a noyl ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites