Guest Invader3k Report post Posted June 21, 2002 At this point I'm pretty bored in the WWE as a whole. The company just doesn't seem to want to make any real changes. Jim Ross and Vince McMahon keep giving lip service to "addressing the changes that need to happen and elevating new talent", but nothing seems to change. It's the same boring old guys at the top, and my favorite wrestlers like Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle are still stuck in the midcard. Well, Angle is feuding with Hogan, but pretty soon he's going back to the Olympics. Another big name gone from the WWE. Steve Austin just left the WWE. If there were no other signs, this tells us that something is very wrong with this promotion. Top draws don't just up and leave, unless there are serious underlying problems with a company. And now they bring back Vince Russo...whose last run as a booker in a major company was a complete embarassment, and essentially put the final nail in the coffin of WCW. It seems to me that they are simply grasping at straws. Vince McMahon is completely desperate for ratings, in order to please his stockholders. At least that is how it seems to me. Vince, I'm not a stockholder. I don't care about you "extending your brand". I care about seeing good matches on TV featuring wrestlers that I care about. That's what pro-wrestling is supposed to be, after all. I've watched the WWF since about 1989. And quite frankly I've never been more bored with it. It just seems to be the same old thing they've been doing for the past four years, and I'm sick of it. Many other people are, as the ratings show. Hell, it's not even the WWF anymore...it's the WWE. It's like the bastard child of something I once loved. It used to be that I would tape all the shows...now if I miss a show, I usually don't bother to tape it. The TV shows just aren't worth my time. I'm not saying that I want the WWE to close down...because then there would be no real wrestling to watch on TV in the US anymore. But I want them to get better...and they continually refuse to. I guess I'm just disappointed. I used to think Vince McMahon cared. Obviously he doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Hell no. What?! I said HELL NO!! Seriously, as disgruntled as I am with Austin's departure and the apparent lackluster product the WWE is giving out, I continue to hold my patience because I know there will be a new golden era that will usher in excellent product. It's only a matter of when..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted June 21, 2002 The WWE may be in one of it's dry spells right now. It would be tragic if it were gone. Also, if it goes out of business you might as well kill Pro Wrestling in America. I think if the WWE goes out of business every wrestling fan loses. Things still are not as bad as the mid-90's though. Raw was getting ratings in the 2s. They just hit a 3.9 for the first time in a long time. Business is down but not as low as it was before. Everyone knows that Wrestling is cyclical this is a down turn. I don't think that the WWE will go out of business though it will take A LOT of losing years for that to happen. Plus, there are many other avenues for profit then there were years ago. It's not going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted June 21, 2002 No. However, I do want WWF to cut about half of their roster. They are just keeping guys so that no other company can get them. I think they should release them and let them go to another company, such as NWA:TNA. Or, if they don't want to release them, loan them to other companies like they used to do with ECW. They aren't using them anyway, so I don't see why it would matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Yes...yeah i said it...go nuts if y'all must i don't rightly care It's not like wrestling would just disappear forever in North America. Sure wrestling may be off tv for several months but with all of WWeee's talent now free agents a new fed would rise from the ashes quickly. North American WRESTLING fans would end up better off if WWeee were to go out of business. Sure the North American sports entertianment fans may be worse off, but who really cares if those fans are happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AM The Kid Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Hell, it's not even the WWF anymore...it's the WWE. It's like the bastard child of something I once loved. It used to be that I would tape all the shows...now if I miss a show, I usually don't bother to tape it. The TV shows just aren't worth my time. I agree, I love the WW_ and truthfully...if it died that would be the end of pro wrestling in North America. What do you think indy stars are aiming for?(There will never be another fed like the WWF, I want it to live on!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted June 21, 2002 i would hate for wwe to go out of business. it is one thing where you can just sit down, relax, and watch, then talk about it with a bunch of complete strangers online. despite what many may think, we are the most loyal fans the wwe has, and i dont think anything the wwe does could ever make us want them to go out of business. we all have too many memories i think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prince Paul Report post Posted June 21, 2002 WWE going out of business would kill wrestling in North America for a long time, not to mention it would piss me off. "despite what many may think, we are the most loyal fans the wwe has, and i dont think anything the wwe does could ever make us want them to go out of business. " vanilla midget Correct. No matter how much we complain, what would we complain about without WWE? The smarks could go fill up the "friends" forum and talk about how Ross tries to hold Chandler down. *Ugh*, I could see us alienating everyone in those forums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted June 21, 2002 No damnit, no way.. the wrestling had some good spots though during the last drought..so if that happened again id be ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Invader3k Report post Posted June 21, 2002 "despite what many may think, we are the most loyal fans the wwe has, and i dont think anything the wwe does could ever make us want them to go out of business. " We are the most loyal fans the WWE has. So why don't they cater to us a little more? It's not like there was a big online surge, urging the WWE to put the Undisputed Title on the Undertaker. Or to bring back the nWo for that matter. In any other business, companies try to please the customer, and retain their most loyal customers. The WWE seems to enjoy pissing us off and catering to fickle marks. By the way, how many fans came back and stayed around very long after Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania? Probably not many... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted June 21, 2002 I wouldn't be happy, per se. But I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted June 21, 2002 "despite what many may think, we are the most loyal fans the wwe has, and i dont think anything the wwe does could ever make us want them to go out of business. " We are the most loyal fans the WWE has. So why don't they cater to us a little more? It's not like there was a big online surge, urging the WWE to put the Undisputed Title on the Undertaker. Or to bring back the nWo for that matter. In any other business, companies try to please the customer, and retain their most loyal customers. The WWE seems to enjoy pissing us off and catering to fickle marks. By the way, how many fans came back and stayed around very long after Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania? Probably not many... in two paragraphs you have managed to show an unbelievable amount of ignorance. the wwe doesnt need to please us constantly for the precise reason that we will always fucking be there. they cater for the "fickle marks" because they are where the growth is, not in established, loyal fans. they dont need to retain us, as for the most part we will not leave, so really, you have either misinterpreted or completely understand my post and the way in which businesses operate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest midnight_burn Report post Posted June 21, 2002 I definately wouldn't want to see the WWE go out of business. It may not be putting out a very high quality product right now, but that doesn't mean i want to see them out of business entirely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted June 21, 2002 QUOTE (Invader3k @ Jun 22 2002, 01:05 AM) "despite what many may think, we are the most loyal fans the wwe has, and i dont think anything the wwe does could ever make us want them to go out of business. " We are the most loyal fans the WWE has. So why don't they cater to us a little more? It's not like there was a big online surge, urging the WWE to put the Undisputed Title on the Undertaker. Or to bring back the nWo for that matter. In any other business, companies try to please the customer, and retain their most loyal customers. The WWE seems to enjoy pissing us off and catering to fickle marks. By the way, how many fans came back and stayed around very long after Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania? Probably not many... in two paragraphs you have managed to show an unbelievable amount of ignorance. the wwe doesnt need to please us constantly for the precise reason that we will always fucking be there. they cater for the "fickle marks" because they are where the growth is, not in established, loyal fans. they dont need to retain us, as for the most part we will not leave, so really, you have either misinterpreted or completely understand my post and the way in which businesses operate Also, if the WWE catered just to us that would be like 10% of their audience. That would leave the other 90% just sitting there or changing the channel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prince Paul Report post Posted June 21, 2002 "despite what many may think, we are the most loyal fans the wwe has, and i dont think anything the wwe does could ever make us want them to go out of business. " We are the most loyal fans the WWE has. So why don't they cater to us a little more? It's not like there was a big online surge, urging the WWE to put the Undisputed Title on the Undertaker. Or to bring back the nWo for that matter. In any other business, companies try to please the customer, and retain their most loyal customers. The WWE seems to enjoy pissing us off and catering to fickle marks. By the way, how many fans came back and stayed around very long after Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania? Probably not many... in two paragraphs you have managed to show an unbelievable amount of ignorance. the wwe doesnt need to please us constantly for the precise reason that we will always fucking be there. they cater for the "fickle marks" because they are where the growth is, not in established, loyal fans. they dont need to retain us, as for the most part we will not leave, so really, you have either misinterpreted or completely understand my post and the way in which businesses operate. Exactly what I was going to say. They don't need to cater to us, since they know we won't leave. It's the marks that they have to draw in and make happy. We'll take whatever they dish out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted June 21, 2002 I can't imagine why anyone would want the WWF to fold. It's not as if there are any other wrestling promotions with tv shows and if the WWF folded, it would be even harder for a promotion to get one. Who would have the faith to invest the money in an upstart promotion if the WWF can't survive? There is no promotion that can come close to making the money that the WWF has made, and I seriously doubt that we would see any wrestling on tv for a very long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Ha ha, funny thoughts are running through my head. What would happen if the WWE went out of business? Based on my thoughts, I can only hope that the WWE stays around for a long long time.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 21, 2002 fuck no. and anyone that answers yes shouldn't be posting on this board in the first place. the wwe has always been a big part of my life it seems like. to lose them now would be like nhl dying to a hockey fan, or the nba dying to a basketball fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted June 21, 2002 No, then I couldn't watch Triple H beat up half the roster or see another Test push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prince Paul Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Or you couldn't watch Vince with his lady of the week while he drools on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SupaTaft Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Hey, my mom just told me something (she's a big wrestling fan too). She suggested that maybe the WWF actually sent Russo to WCW to purposely destroy it. Maybe he sabotaged it so that the company would fail and the WWF would get the ratings. It very well could be. Momma is smart. Vince Russo: Industrial Spy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ash Ketchum Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Yep. Momma's pretty smart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 21, 2002 The wrestling INDUSTRY is cyclical, not the Wwf. The Wwf was saved for one reason and one reason only...WCW. The NWO made WCW popular and the WWF rode the wave. I wouldn't be too sad to see the Wwf die. Here is the thing I don't get when People say "If the Wwf caters to us 10% then that means 90% are in the dark' HOW DO YOU KNOW?! Quite frankly, what the internet wants (good long matches with no run ins and sensible storylines with little mic time as possible) is something that I think ALL FANS would like. The Wwf doesn't want to make that sacrifice, they don't want to go 100% in the wrestling direction because that means they are actually going to have to WORK HARD and start THINKING of GOOD storylines and feuds, and we can't have that now can we? So they hire back Russo, try to go 100% smut route because lord knows its easier to have Ric Flair be Stacy Kieblers father than it is to have Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero have a good match... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Someone else said it earlier on here. If the WWE went out of business. thats it for wrestling in the US. Sure you got all those Indi feds out there, and little feds like WWA XWF and NWA TNA that are on the brink of getting real TV time, but who are you kidding. The WWE is the standard of Pro Wrestling for everyone who aren't rabid wrestling fans. And Keep in mind something. We maybe smart marks but the WWE never caters to us,because we are the spoilers, the complainers, the demanders of them to change things. to Push people they normally wouldn't give the time of day to. Who the WWE listens to is the Mindless Cattle that crowds the Arena's buys the merchandise and chants out the Catch Phrases Rocky Chants and other intelligence things like that as if they were religiously speaking in tongues. And in reality, their isn't anything wrong with that. Ever wonder why the WWF never has a Publically known Email for fans to the WWF? because they don't want to HEAR from us. We are the dirt sheets, the behind the sceners Us who aren't in the business who seems to think we know all about the business. The only input we seem to be ableto have with the WWE is Byte this if you can get in. Thats about it. Hell I Can Email the HWA today and get a response from them Tomorrow on anything but you couldn't even get JR's email. and JR says nearly weekly that he receives emails from fans...... HOW? And still... We probably will be watching Raw Smackdown Velocity Heat and Buy the PPVs monthly because in the end,the WWE is the end all and be all of North American Wrestling for the last 20 years almost. It swallowed up the ECW It Splintered NWA into hundreds of small Indi feds and Destroyed WCW. What do you have to watch? You gonna be happy to see the WWE dead and spend your money and travel to High School Gyms or small auditoriums just to see the Jersey pro Wrestling or CZW, or that Scum Fire Hazard fed called XPW? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 21, 2002 I don't know. I do believe it would be interesting to see a return to the territories. Of course, interesting doesn't always mean good. And to be perfectly honest, right now I would rather spend 25-30 dollars to go to some bingo hall or high school gym and watch CZW or another indy fed then go watch the WWE. More bang for my buck, hopefully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RetroRob215 Report post Posted June 21, 2002 I spend many hours watching and reviewing WWE TV each week. If it was gone there would be a void in my life that nothing could take the place of. I will be watching Raw until the day I die. I barely even watch SmackDown! now, so I wouldn't give a shit if they lost that show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GenerationNever Report post Posted June 21, 2002 This is a tricky question. My answer would be yes. However bad wrestling gets, it should not be controlled and monopolized by Vince McMahon. I would love the chance to see wrestling territories again present. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 22, 2002 Hey, my mom just told me something (she's a big wrestling fan too). She suggested that maybe the WWF actually sent Russo to WCW to purposely destroy it. Maybe he sabotaged it so that the company would fail and the WWF would get the ratings. It very well could be. Momma is smart. Vince Russo: Industrial Spy? i don't think so. i think it's more like: Vince Russo: fucked up and lucky to have a job right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wwF1587 Report post Posted June 22, 2002 I would be sad. I mean I doubt I would loose weeks of sleep over it, but I would go in a depression for awhile. I know its a little sad, but wrestling has been always a big part of my life as well. The WWE is a big part of my life. Now some may say I don't have a life but I don't care. The WWE is something I enjoy alot, even if it is crappy, I will always watch RAW. I dont get SD! so if they loose that, I dont care either. MC gets on my last nerve anyway so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted June 22, 2002 "Would you be happy if the WWE went out of business?" Answer: Negative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
