Guest BobbyBacklund Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 Three reasons to get us started: 1) Their music is pretty jumbled with absolutely no flow( Listen to Prison Song, and you will see what I am talking about) 2) The songs that have flow are like nursery rhymes, meaning it is easy shit to play. Not much innovative thought goes into the creation. 3) The lead singer sounds like one hundred others, meaning he has no distinction. One more for good luck... 4) They have this weird riff that is in every song. For an extreme example, go listen to Sugar.
Guest The Vanilla Midget Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 i like em, though i am not really into totally analysing the music i listen to like you seem to be. i just find their music really good, and it has some pretty nice balance. toxicity is a kickass song, and would have to be my fave atm. also, i saw their live show a few weeks ago, and that is what really got me into them, it was really good. lol, it looks like i am a mark for SOAD.
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 Actually, most of their songs sound different if you know what to look for. As a fan of metal and hard rock, and one to analyze said genres, SOAD has many elements to separate them from other bands. 3 of them stand-out: *MELODY. Toxicity, as an album, is chock full of it. "Aerials" and "Deer Dance" have excellent melodic parts to them, something most hard rock songs these days lack. *POLITICAL VIEWS. "Prison Song" says it all. Not to mention "PLUCK" and others. The last MAINSTREAM band to have any political views was RATM, and they were practically communists (not saying its a bad thing, because communism, in theory, is great...just for the short-term). *GROWTH. Whereas most bands release 2 albums that will sound so alike it's not even funny (I'm looking at you, Slipknot, and you, Korn), SOAD released 2 albums that show definite growth. If you can't tell the difference between System Of A Down and Toxicity, then you shouldn't be listening to the style of music anyways, and should not comment on it. As for their simplicity...it's part of their appeal. Their songs ARE easy to play, but that's another reason I love them: they don't go out of their way to make a song complex. I'm guessing the boys in SOAD use the Glenn Danzig-riff method: If it sounds good, it's good. It doesn't need to be overly complex. It just needs to sound good. And there are literally millions of SOAD fans willing to debate that SOAD are just what they are: A GREAT HARD ROCK BAND.
Guest ratboy Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 I think they will slide into the vacancy left by RATM. They have the aggressive sound coupled with the political viewpoints and lyrics, and are at the very least interesting. It did take me a little while to warm up to them, however.
Guest KingOfMen Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 At least they sound a little different then all the other crap they play on alt.rock radio. One of the only bands, Tool being the other one, I don't immediately turn off.
Guest goodhelmet Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 System is nowhere near Rage in talent or sound, I don't know if I'd say System sucks or not, but I don't go out of my way to hear them. I'm more apathetic to them more than anything else.
Guest Black Lushus Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 they remind me of a harder version of Faith No More...which isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing...
Guest goodhelmet Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 Yeah, I can see the Faith No More comparison but i was pretty apathetic to them too.
Guest BobbyBacklund Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 I have the argument that they are challenging to listen to, but I don't see it. If you want speed metal, or nu metal that's challenging to listen to, get Slav Simanic, or James Satriani. Tool is a great band who are also worlds apart from most others in the music industry. I find their music to be underappreciated by the 'marks', if I may put in a wrestling term. For a guy who is really great and is most definitely underappreciated, check out Perry Farrell, although he is not really metal.
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 Tool is one of the most overrated bands I've ever heard in my entire life. The songs bore me like no other, and I can feel entertained by My Dinner With Andre.
Guest super sayan jericho Posted February 16, 2002 Report Posted February 16, 2002 I gotta agree with Corey(except for the part about korn, but then again i don't pay much attenton to the differences in their albums) about Tool. I also find them to be boring and severly overrated especially by the majority of their fans who claim to be of higher intelligence. As for SOAD, I wasn't too fond of them when their first album came out, and "Sugar" really sucked imo, but "Toxicity" is one killer album.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted February 17, 2002 Report Posted February 17, 2002 Of the songs on Toxicity, I like maybe five of the songs, which is saying a lot since i don't consider myself to be a big rock guy. I think System has a unique sound, which is good in my opinion. Actually, because of this unique sound, I don't think you can make an accurate comparison between them and RATM.
Guest Sassquatch Posted February 17, 2002 Report Posted February 17, 2002 System of a Down is not one of my favorite bands. But they are one of the only bands that I can see being around in the next several years after every other "nu-metal" band is sucked into the black hole of crap along with the boy bands, talentless teenage hoes, crappy gimmick bands, and weak bitch rockers. Whether you hate them or like them, SOAD will be one of the bands left standing after the dust settles from the great "turn-over." And I a
Guest hardyz1 Posted February 17, 2002 Report Posted February 17, 2002 Tool is one of the most overrated bands I've ever heard in my entire life. The songs bore me like no other, and I can feel entertained by My Dinner With Andre. My thoughts exactly. Tool, in fact, is one band that I do change the station when I hear them, especially Schism. Then I'll turn back a few minutes later and the damn song is still on doing that same damn riff over and over again.
Guest mykatissatan Posted February 17, 2002 Report Posted February 17, 2002 I wouldnt call the drumming in the Toxicity album easy. I am a drummer and I cant catch on to the song Toxicity very well. Some songs are easy, especially Chop Suey, but others are tough.
Guest TheyCallMeMark Posted February 17, 2002 Report Posted February 17, 2002 SOAD is nothing special. They just make up wierd riffs and the guys yells and sings funky for a minute then the turn up the volume on the guitars and drown hm out. Just becausesomeone plays a riff that isprett retarded and different does't make them creative. "Cop Seuy", on the the other hand, is a great song. It is creative innovative, catchy and everything else the nu-metal bands aspire to be. But just like Static X they have a few really good songs, and the rest is unadulterated shit. i hae the song "Toxicity", by the way. Tool is the stupidest band in existence. Stupid becase they could make good music, if they tried. But they have several problems. 1. Maynard writes complex lyrics for te sake of being complex. Even worse, he sngs so his words are fairly incomprehensible. Most people are suprised when they find out "Schism" is a love song. And if it's not, the fact is merely backing up my former concern with being too complicated for the sake of sounding deep. 2.The songs go nowhere. Not many of Tool's songs have a climax. In fact, I don't think any other than a couple of the singles do. Their songs are all very cut and paste. Same formula. Each one is repetative bullshit with no real peak in the song. 3. The songs run for much longer than necsessary. They consistently make long, droning anthems that are both flat musically, and completely worthless for those who like what the lyrics are about. My shitspewing is done.
Guest Ghast Posted February 17, 2002 Report Posted February 17, 2002 I hate System because I remember when they got a song or two pulled off the radio for a piolitical message, they were like "no...that's not what we meant. You didn't get it." Bullshit. At least stick by your guns. There music sucks too. I don't even know what there political beleifs are...can someone fill me in?
Guest The Man in Blak Posted February 21, 2002 Report Posted February 21, 2002 SOAD's older stuff is a little more repetitive, but I like 'em overall. The new album is pretty sweet and I totally dig the way that they can change gears in a song (which, of course, could jar other people). The lyrics are great as well, from serious political commentaries to just total goofiness ("I brought my pogo stick / just to show her a trick"). I don't really they're comparable to Rage other than the political message, but they're still pretty solid, nonetheless. ...and I DEFINITELY like their stuff better than the new Tool album. I think AEnima's one of the best albums of the 90's, but Tool really kind of mellowed out with the new one - to me, Lateralus seemed to me like MJK was saying "everybody thinks we're the new religion in rock so we're going to be full of ourselves". There are some licks in songs on Lateralus, but I just don't think they were focused because they may have been a little too busy with buying into their own hype than paying attention to making good music.
Guest Vyce Posted February 22, 2002 Report Posted February 22, 2002 Tool is one of the most overrated bands I've ever heard in my entire life. The songs bore me like no other, and I can feel entertained by My Dinner With Andre. You people are all INSANE. How you can list a band like SOAD over TooL is beyond me. I literally do not live on the same planet as you people. Tool is one of the best bands recording today. And don't you DARE mock me, ye followers of SOAD!
Guest imajackoff? Posted February 22, 2002 Report Posted February 22, 2002 A few months ago I saw Tenacious D and Jack Black did a hilarious rant on the Chop Suey song. Basicly he was making fun of how important the song sounded with all the powerful words, but if you analyzed the lyrics it was crap.
Guest saturnmark4life Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 How anyone can criticise System or tool on any of the grounds listed here is beyond me. I can perfectly understand not liking them, but their talents cannot be denied in my opinion. They are also both good examples of not losing any credibility with excessive media exposure.
Guest Crazy Dan Posted February 23, 2002 Report Posted February 23, 2002 I dig SOAD. I think the band rocks. I also like how they do have something to say. In this day of crappy teen pop and Brittney aguillaras, it is good to see a band that knows how to rock. I rather listen to System, then bands like Creed and such. The first song off of Toxicity, is "Prison", and that is about how our prisons are overflowed with drug offenders and how we need to change our policies, so I agree with them on some of their viewpoints. I also like the lead singer. He changes the way he sings throughout the album, and so I believe that he is one of the better lead singers out there. I definately think he is way better than Fred Dirst, and all the other Nu-Metal singers. I also like the guitarist, who has a style that fits the band very well. This band is about caos and such, and so their music fits the message they are trying to get across. If you don't like them, more power to ya, but I know I like them and that is the most important thing.
Guest TheyCallMeMark Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 As every Tool fan, these comment on their 'talent' yet fail to explain what 'talent' they have.
Guest One Bad Apple Posted February 24, 2002 Report Posted February 24, 2002 I dig SOAD. I think the band rocks. I also like how they do have something to say. In this day of crappy teen pop and Brittney aguillaras, it is good to see a band that knows how to rock. Britney and Christina don't really try to "rock." They are also pretty good! If you don't like them, more power to ya, but I know I like them and that is the most important thing. I haven't ever said that before, but "more power to ya" is probably the most fagacious expressions I've ever heard. So I guess it makes sense that people use it a lot. Well, they use it a lot on the internet.
Guest TheG'Father Posted March 3, 2002 Report Posted March 3, 2002 Nah, they don't suck. They improved a lot on Toxicity compared to their self-titled album. I dig all the songs on Toxicity, the first album is complete shit, IMO though.
Guest saturnmark4life Posted March 3, 2002 Report Posted March 3, 2002 I'm not sure which System LP is better. Love em both.
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