I Caught Myslef A Cruiserweight Match!

[Guest Anglesault]

Well, I finally got the chance to see a full cruiserweight match. And to steal a prhase of Joey Knoble, HOOOOIE, did that SUCK! I thought them there cruiserweight matches were supposed to have LESS rest holds then regular matches so they could be more exciting? I saw a lot of staning around and rulling random limbs tonight. And for Christ sakes, make fucking CONTACT! EVERY SINGLE punch in that match missed. Besides that, the match was slow paced and boring as all hell. Remind me how this is at all different from Taker/Kane vs. Kroni>l? You asked me to just give them a chance, i did, and they blew it, so don't yell at me next time I rip the cruisers. DAMN.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Look, that was a very not-cruiserweight match. Seriously, don't judge them based on that Heavyweight Lite match.

[Guest MrRant]

How long have you been watching cruiser matches? I take it you weren't watching during the WCW heyday huh?

[Guest BigTim2002]

I always said the Jaime Knoble and the Hurricane aren't exactly the Cruisers that everyone wanted to see.

 

It's all about people like Funaki, Kidman, Tajiri, Rey Rey, Christian, those people. Hurricane is over, but I DO agree that Knoble, so far, has not exactly carried the ball over the line of scrimmage, so to speak...

 

Edit: Oh, and P.S.: There isn't a hurricane coming through, but a frickin' brick wall coming through to hit those assholes that thought that Cruiserweight matches were to be fought like heavyweight matches. Notice how people like Kidman, Tajiri, and Rey Rey are CRUISERWEIGHTS? Well, it's because they CRUISE through the air? Jaime Knoble? Man, he needs to go to Memphis or something...

[Guest Flyboy]

How long have you been watching cruiser matches? I take it you weren't watching during the WCW heyday huh?

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Guest Anglesault]

The Cruiser matches during the heyday are actually what turned me off from Cruiserweight matches to begin with. I HATE the flopping around that they do. They didn't do any flopping tonight, but they didn't do much of ANYTHING tonight. EASILY my worst match of the night, which includes Brock/Test, HHH/Taker, Hogan/Angle and the parts of Flair/Eddy that dragged.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Hells no. Brock/RVD was worst. If not that, the Main Event.

[Guest Human Fly]

I think this was the "WWF style" or cruiser action that JR has been talking about. I hope not because if so they should tank the division. I know Helms and Noble can do so much more.

[Guest Angle-plex]

I think all the matches sucked except the first one.

[Guest Anglesault]

Brock/RVD and Taker/HHH didn't put me to sleep.

[Guest Brian]

This is exactly the problem with the WWE style. Though I haven't seen the match yet, it seems that neither Noble nor Hurricane were working the kind of match they were accustomed. So two guys who are used to working against each other are forced into a match totally the opposite of what they can work just because the style dictates that. Or is it the bookers. What, thy can't upstage the main eventers, or start to garner interest with the crowd? God forbid they make Angle/Hogan, HHH/Taker, Brock Lesnar, or that women's division that draws all so well look bad. But AngleSault likes to group all cuiserweight together, despite that Shocker, Eddie Guerrero, El Hijo del Santo, Jushin Lyger, Blue Panther, American Dragon. Gedo, Low-Ki', Nicho el Millonario, Doug Williams, SUWA, Tiger Mask IV, Dr. Wagner Jr., Dick Togo, Minoru Tanaka , El Dandy, El Satanico. Christopher Daniels, Magnum Tokyo, Shinjiro Ohtani, Rey Misterio Jr., Silver King, Negro Navarro, Halloween, and CIMA (plus TAKA when he get's the chance) could all wrestle circles around his hero and put together better matches any day of the week. But that doesn't matter, because flipping isn't a part of fundamental wrestling like the over-use of bad punches or weak kicks are right? And if there's flipping involved it can't be good can it? Flipping, this evil because it's not American and because you can't understand and comprehend it; or don't even attempt to because of your own ignorance. Yeah, right.

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

Yeah, from wht I hear the match sucked, but don't think thats a usual Knoble match. Knoble is a kickass wretsler, one of the few bright lights in WCW's end. And they say he has improved in OVW since then so blam it on the style they had to do, not the wretslers themselves.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Everyone who said is right. That was not a cruiserweight match. That was a small heavyweight match. Not anywhere near the same. I have to say that Helms and Knoble are more middleweights than light-heavies, it seems like. If they let Rey do what he can do, then you'd see a cruiser match. I've heard of most of the guys Brian named (and seen most of them), and it can be truly amazing. Granted, some people dislike cruisers. Can't have any of those little people now, can we? It's a style that may take some getting used to. It may seem more like a 'spotfest', but if you look, heavyweights are just as guilty of those as cruisers. Maybe more. They're just different spots, really.

 

-Shiro

[Guest Caliban]

That match did more to put over Nidia than either of the workers. At least there was one decent spot though. The rest was WCW Saturday Night fare.

[Guest Brian]

Hey. Don't insult the Saturday night. That stuff was gold in the mid nineties.

[Guest BifEverchad]

Yeah, I have to agree with the disappointed folks opinion of the "Cruiserweight" Title match at the King of the Ring, it was harsh. Too many REST holds! These guys never had the crowd eating out of their hands, which they should have. They are way more capable of putting on a much better match up.

 

Bottom Line: WWE "Cruiserweight" Division SUCKS!

Bring on Rey Rey, for the love of God.

 

If not yet, just show old school WCW Cruiserweight matches from 1996-2001 on the TitanTron for the time being.

 

[Guest Anglesault]

This is exactly the problem with the WWE style. Though I haven't seen the match yet, it seems that neither Noble nor Hurricane were working the kind of match they were accustomed.

 

So THAT'S why none of the punches even came close. I figured anyone could throw a punch, but if you say so.

 

because flipping isn't a part of fundamental wrestling like the over-use of bad punches or weak kicks are right?

 

Bad punches and kicks? Like the match we are debating?

 

And if there's flipping involved it can't be good can it? Flipping, this evil because it's not American and because you can't understand

 

Wait, wait, wait. I don't like cruiserweigths because they're not American? Those two guys that stunk the damn ring up tonight looked pretty damn American to me.

 

As for me not liking flips because they aren't American, I don't like random pointless flipping that ends in a rediculously weak move because it has no point.

[Guest Brian]

Okay. Let me put it this way. They don't do the "flipping" for nothing. It's part of a style you don't understand because it's foreign to you. Completely foreign. Despite all your criticism of that style, it still puts out two dozen wrestlers, that wrestle something closely related to it, that are better than what you consider good. Basically the WWE style is just like the cruiserweights, except generally lighter on wrestling; poor strikes to carry movement in the matches, spots layed out in a less than generous manner, transitions mainly based around a missed clothesline, resthold, or doubleknockout, and weak brawling. And that's pretty much why those two stunk it up in the ring; they were wrestling the WWE style you love so dearly.

[Guest Anglesault]

Okay. Let me put it this way. They don't do the "flipping" for nothing. It's part of a style you don't understand because it's foreign to you. Completely foreign.

Okay, then educate me. Why does flipping 8 times make an arm drag more painful?

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone 'flip in an arm drag eight times'. IMO, the arm-drag sequence is kind of like the heavies' irish whip into powerslam/belly to belly reversals, or so on.

 

-Shiro

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone 'flip in an arm drag eight times'. IMO, the arm-drag sequence is kind of like the heavies' irish whip into powerslam/belly to belly reversals, or so on.

 

-Shiro

But those, have a point, because, you know, they look like they would hurt. An arm drag hasn't looked painful in 30 years.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

The WWE calling the it the Cruiserweight Division is just an insult really. I mean, its nothing like the cruiser stuff from WCW. I'll give Vince a point or two for at least trying and pushing a few of them, EDIT: But I know deep in Vince's mind he's thinking "Why the hell am I pushing Shane Helms and Jamie Knoble when I could be pushing Mark Henry and Test on Smackdown instead?"

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

By that argument, a lot of things don't look painful. Heavys have just as many stupid or weak looking spots. Cruisers just slam each other's head into the turnbuckle/announce table/ring spots less.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Eh, while Sault is right a lot of the time, he's not now. He should watch some Japanese Juniors or Mexican Luchadors.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Armdrags are never sold as painful anyway, it's just a different style of counter wrestling.

[Guest gangsteruwa]

Has the WWE ever had a REAL Cruiserweight match since WCW was bought out. I vaguely remember KAIENTAI having matches with people that were very good, and they were REAL Cruiser matches, but that was before the buyout.

 

Recommendations for good Cruiserweight matches:

Michinoku Pro 10 mans kick ass.

Almost any Fleisch vs. Storm is an amazing, REAL Junior's match (Spots Galore).

[Guest Anglesault]

Michinoku Pro 10 mans kick ass.

Almost any Fleisch vs. Storm is an amazing, REAL Junior's match (Spots Galore).

There's nothing like, in bewteen that snoozefest last night and people bouncing around the ring? Is there like a mild cruiser match I can find?

[Guest Incandenza]

You can count the number of really good cruiser matches in the WWF/E on one hand, and they both occurred at Backlash: Dean Malenko vs. Scotty II Hotty from Backlash 2000, and Tajiri vs. Billy Kidman from Backlash 2002 instantly come to mind, and the Sasuske/Taka series from '97 is supposedly very good, though I haven't seen them.

[Guest Anglesault]

OOOH! I have Backlash 2000 on tape! And I liked that match! So there we go, I don't hate Cruisers, I hate SHITTY cruisers! ::dances::

[Guest J*ingus]

I think you've been watching way too many ex-backyard, semi-trained spot-blowers like the Hardyz and too many luchadores who work their own worlds-different style, Sault. You need to get you some Jushin Liger tapes to see how a real pro does it.

 

Let me put it to you this way: when most people say "cruiserweight", the just mean a small wrestler in general. If he was thinner, Tazz could technically be a cruiserweight. High-flying moves are generally part of the package, but not at all a necessity. Benoit and Jericho are both cruisers, and neither one relies on an abundance of flippy-floppy stuff or garbagey big bump spots.