Dreamer Stays And Raven Goes... Uh Ok

[Guest Trivia247]

Sooo

 

Does this mean Raven is Relegated to Heat from now on. Or he just buried until he's fired or is this until a few months later and he makes a return or what?

 

Kinda strange you build a small angle with him from Heat on up only to erase him.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Their bringing back the flock.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

exactly, i mean he didnt say WWE, he said Raw

[Guest razazteca]

Raven will now be the king of Velocity and that there will most likely be a Confidential of how hard life was for poor Scotty in Barbwire City with Saturn.

[Guest Brian]

Most likely Raven's character is just getting tweaked to where he can be this conspiracy victim/loner/dark spirit mold.

[Guest BigTim2002]

If they bring back the Flock, I'm gonna mark out like crazy.

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

Their bringing back the flock.

How do you know that? With the way WWE's used him, I wouldn't be surprised if he once again gets relegated to Heat and has to face the likes of Stasiak and other worthless talents again like WWE usually has him doing. Bleh, it seems like Raven's never getting pushed in WWE, just when you think he is, bam, another angle/feud dropped and he's put in random matches.

[Guest BigTim2002]

Oh, and GUYS, that is the FIRST ever victory by Tommy Dreamer over Raven. THANK YOU~!

[Guest Ace309]

I was wondering if anyone else picked that up.

 

I know it's not *really* his first victory over Raven ever, but it was a nice little internal hook, especially with Dreamer selling it like he just crapped himself after the match. Would have been nice if they mentioned the storyline, though.

[Guest BigTim2002]

Superior One, when WAS his first win over Raven? Because he has never beaten him to my memory?

[Guest massivHEDtrauma]

Like I said on the One and Only Raw Thread, screw RVD's loss at Summer Slam, Raven losing that match is the true travesty. But, alas, I do think he'll be back...hopefully with a new flock in tow. Steven Richards and Billy Kidman perhaps? They are former associates, after all.

[Guest Ace309]

I can't document it, but I remember reading in at least one place that Dreamer beat Raven a few times in ECW long before they started the storyline... long enough before, and insignificantly enough, that everyone more or less forgot.

[Guest Sakura]

Raven can't even drink a coke backstage without people thinking it's going to signal the return of the Flock. Soon somebody will make a post talking about how Saturn, Kane and Kanyon will be in it.

[Guest BigTim2002]

OK, but Mr. Superior, since the feud started, Tommy Dreamer hasn't beaten Raven until tonite, right?

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Uh..I think they should just let the Flock idea go. No one is gonna care about it. No one cares about Raven now as it is, so why are people gonna care when he surrounds himself with other guys no one cares about like Saturn. Pointless...

[Guest Ace309]

As far as I know, you're correct, oh Mr. Bone, king of the JTTS.

 

Come on back. The JL's getting depleted.

[Guest Blackston]

Didn't Raven lose to Dreamer at Wrestlepalooza '97 before he left for WCW. I may be on crack, but I'm about 90% sure about that. After that match, Jerry Lawler began the WWF invasion... Correct me if I am wrong.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Hate to say this, but maybe they are just going to put Raven on the creative team and retire him as an active wrestler. Raven did always say he hoped his last match was against Tommy Dreamer.

[Guest Slingshot Suplex]

Blackston is correct...it was a "loser leaves ECW" match,I believe.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Uh..I think they should just let the Flock idea go. No one is gonna care about it. No one cares about Raven now as it is, so why are people gonna care when he surrounds himself with other guys no one cares about like Saturn. Pointless...

saturn has '1' fan at LEAST...

[Guest Will Scarlet]

Dreamer has already defeated Raven once in the WWE. He beat him awhile back on Jakked/Metal. It was right before the split, I believe.

[Guest Trivia247]

Probably wouldn't put together the Flock with the old members like Kidman or Saturn because they are on Smackdown

 

Remember this Roster split basically breaks up any old stable we can imagine

 

No Flocks

 

No Impact Players

 

No Dudley boys

 

aw well

 

If Raven came back with a Flock it would probably be HWA/OVW allums

[Guest AssDroid!]

If the Flock was reformed and Kidman was in it, would he get that weird skin problem again and start scratching all of the time?

[Guest Ripper]

If they just turn this into Raven brooding in the stands, stalking Tommy Dreamer for getting him fired, thus restarting the Raven Dreamer fued(even if it is on velocity or heat) I WILL MARK!!

 

I think they are pointing towards a flock thing here though...Raven gets let go...Vince does it to more and more wrestlers on both Raw and Smackdown, and they all come back with Raven for Flock 3.0...it would work...therefore it won't happen.

[Guest dpac]

on raw vince said he was going to be cutting guys more often from tv, rumor does have it that these guys will form some sort of group of misfits and with raven being the first one gone i think it is safe to say a flock reformation is in the works,

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

First of all I don't think that it will go to a dark and brooding Raven with the way he was screaming and crying on his way out.

 

Second of all everyone complains about the nWo being a rehash of an old and tired storyline. Well a new Flock would be the 3rd rehash of an old and tired storyline. But everyone wants to see it....despite the fact the flock had horrible wrestlers....just like the nWo.....oh I forgot....ECW! ECW! ECW! Sorry I forgot ECW is the god of all wrestling organizations....at least that's what you'd be led to believe listening to there fans.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

But there's a difference. The Flock disintegrated when it was getting tired, after roughly a year together, gaining members all throughout. The nWo continued from 1996 until 2000 without skipping a beat for more than 4 months.

[Guest Blue Bacchus]

It was truly cool to see some sort of "closure" to that fued. Even my brother who never watched ECW knew had only heard of the "mythical" fued that is Dreamer/Raven.

 

To me that was the match of the night made by the history of the two wrestlers.

[Guest Human Fly]

What has Raven done lately though? I think people want a new Flock so it will give Raven some direction instead of doing.......what he's been doing lately.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

They could make a Flock consisting of Raven with 2 ducks and a Cantelope and as long as it got Raven more mic time and even a little push I'd be ENTHRALLED!