My Thoughts From Tonight...

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

* You guys seem to forget they didn't just automatically slam the title onto Austin the minute the 3:16 chants started. In fact, for a guy who was so over and drew so much, Austin pretty much seemed to always win the title at WM and then lose it again shortly after.

 

What this have to do with anything? Everybody here wants Rob to get a title shot, but there is much money to be made in "the chase." Vince has done things before just because a person is over, and it's always been bad (see also: Hulkamania revival, HHH face turn.) Give this time and let it develop. Right now, RVD is over. I predict if they give this a proper chase, he will be over like Austin or Rocky by Royal Rumble.

 

* I predict Brock will eventually be over, but not as over as I've described above. The guy is new to TV but not toally inexperienced, and it seems like they're starting this guy off as a quiet brute and then letting him "come out of his shell" over time.

 

I predict he pins Taker or whoever is champion at SummerSlam. I predict he will start to talk more often as time goes by. I also predict he will finally reveal his Shooting Star Press (there's a blurry home video going around of it, I know) for the win. And I think the crowd will pop when they see a 300lb guy go flying from the top rope like he's Jeff Hardy.

 

Again, give this shit time. One book of history has effectively closed, and now is the time to build a story (and hopefully a good one) for the next one. Just tossing the title on RVD because he's over doesn't make a compelling story.

 

* I do think the Goldberg shit with Lesnar has to go. If this hadn't been done before perhaps it would be a better idea, but the problem is WCW ALREADY DID THIS, and the crowd won't mark for it again just becuase it's being done by WWF. Brock can destroy guys, but a tactician type such as a Benoit or an Angle or, yes, even a Van Dam should find and use the proverbial achilles heel. The winning streak IS NOT NEW and IS NOT POPULAR NOW.

 

* Can someone please give Goldust his own Piper's Pit style interview show? I never liked Dustin before and I thought his revival was just bringing back the old Russo gimmicks, but he's really amusing now.

 

* Rhyno is coming back, and he's the same "berzerker" type that Brock is. Think of it. A Heyman-managed stable of Brock & Rhyno.. Hmmm..

[Guest GenerationNever]

You made some very good points. I agree on a lot of them.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

* You guys seem to forget they didn't just automatically slam the title onto Austin the minute the 3:16 chants started. In fact, for a guy who was so over and drew so much, Austin pretty much seemed to always win the title at WM and then lose it again shortly after.

 

What this have to do with anything? Everybody here wants Rob to get a title shot, but there is much money to be made in "the chase." Vince has done things before just because a person is over, and it's always been bad (see also: Hulkamania revival, HHH face turn.) Give this time and let it develop. Right now, RVD is over. I predict if they give this a proper chase, he will be over like Austin or Rocky by Royal Rumble.

 

* I predict Brock will eventually be over, but not as over as I've described above. The guy is new to TV but not toally inexperienced, and it seems like they're starting this guy off as a quiet brute and then letting him "come out of his shell" over time.

 

I predict he pins Taker or whoever is champion at SummerSlam.  I predict he will start to talk more often as time goes by. I also predict he will finally reveal his Shooting Star Press (there's a blurry home video going around of it, I know) for the win. And I think the crowd will pop when they see a 300lb guy go flying from the top rope like he's Jeff Hardy.

 

Again, give this shit time. One book of history has effectively closed, and now is the time to build a story (and hopefully a good one) for the next one. Just tossing the title on RVD because he's over doesn't make a compelling story.

 

* I do think the Goldberg shit with Lesnar has to go. If this hadn't been done before perhaps it would be a better idea, but the problem is WCW ALREADY DID THIS, and the crowd won't mark for it again just becuase it's being done by WWF. Brock can destroy guys, but a tactician type such as a Benoit or an Angle or, yes, even a Van Dam should find and use the proverbial achilles heel. The winning streak IS NOT NEW and IS NOT POPULAR NOW.

 

* Can someone please give Goldust his own Piper's Pit style interview show? I never liked Dustin before and I thought his revival was just bringing back the old Russo gimmicks, but he's really amusing now.

 

* Rhyno is coming back, and he's the same "berzerker" type that Brock is. Think of it. A Heyman-managed stable of Brock & Rhyno.. Hmmm..

 

+ And yet it looks as if they are willing to put the title on Brock, even though as it stands right now he isn't getting any reaction from the crowd. That might change if he starts kicking the crap out of guys like he did RVD tonight (table spot), but I doubt it seriously will happen overnight like the WWE™ seems to be hoping.

 

+ I agree that they need to give time, but of course they don't have much time before Summerslam which is in 2 months (which is only like 8 or 9 shows plus a ppv). I think the point is that the majority of people would be happy if they gave him some time BEFORE pushing him to the main event of the 3rd biggest PPV of the year. Now is not the right time to say that he needs time to get the crowd reaction and his ring work polished. That should have happened way before they give him this big push. I will note that the match vs RVD tonight wasn't half bad (those overhead suplexes were brutal) but the main problem is hes big and hes slow. Methodical paced (Jim Ross)matches are going to bore the heck out of people, since you can't have 5 minute squashes on PPVs (especially in the Main Event, I hope anyway).

 

+ Actually you're wrong about WCW already doing this. Goldberg was a face for the most part (not initially I dont think) and fans wanted his streak to continue. Brock is a heel (its more like Heymans the heel and Brock's just there, but that looks to be changing) and most people want someone to beat him, and hopefully as it builds there will be more interest in who will beat him. Right now, its good that they aren't pushing the heck out of the streak, just let it keep building and maybe subtly remind fans that hes never been pinned or tapped (another reason its different - its not a beat everyone streak, he has lost by dq 2 times now)

 

+ Goldust and Booker make a pretty good team, but alas like one of the hardy's said, there's no tag team gold on RAW, so why bother with the regular tag teaming. I think I like the idea of Goldust getting a show so to speak, and it would almost fit his gimmick.

 

+ No, Id rather see Rhyno vs Brock first, anyway, before they team up. Gore! Gore! Gore!

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

+ And yet it looks as if they are willing to put the title on Brock, even though as it stands right now he isn't getting any reaction from the crowd. That might change if he starts kicking the crap out of guys like he did RVD tonight (table spot), but I doubt it seriously will happen overnight like the WWE™ seems to be hoping.

 

+ I agree that they need to give time, but of course they don't have much time before Summerslam which is in 2 months (which is only like 8 or 9 shows plus a ppv). I think the point is that the majority of people would be happy if they gave him some time BEFORE pushing him to the main event of the 3rd biggest PPV of the year. Now is not the right time to say that he needs time to get the crowd reaction and his ring work polished. That should have happened way before they give him this big push. I will note that the match vs RVD tonight wasn't half bad (those overhead suplexes were brutal) but the main problem is hes big and hes slow. Methodical paced (Jim Ross)matches are going to bore the heck out of people, since you can't have 5 minute squashes on PPVs (especially in the Main Event, I hope anyway).

That's why I'm saying they're starting now. He can't use the mic. Well, he spoke some three-syllable words last night. By Slam, the Shooting Star and any other more athletic moves he does. Then, as champion, he isn't bringing the house down with promos (and quite a few other champs are mediocore on the mic. See also: Undertaker) but he'll have the skills to look AT LEAST decent. And then by the time No Mercy is rolling around, he should be able to speak his own whole promo with Heyman as the schemey Paul Bearer type of guy, assuming they keep him around at that point.

 

Sure, they can't train him into a complete worker before SSlam, but by developing his personality over the rest of the year, it's sort of the gift that keeps on giving. The problem is right now, where everyone is wondering "who the hell is this guy and why are they giving him an ungodly push?"

 

Of course, this is all speculation. Perhaps Lesnar doesn't really have the skill to be a complete package no matter how much training they throw at him. Or maybe he does and WWE Creative will botch him up. I'm trying to remain both positive and realistic.

 

+ Actually you're wrong about WCW already doing this.  Goldberg was a face for the most part (not initially I dont think) and fans wanted his streak to continue.

 

I downloaded a video of the loss on Kazaa and people are popping and many have their arms up in the air and some are clapping wildly. Of course, this is just the finish, so maybe the perspective is screwed, but anyway... Judging by this 30 second clip, there were quite a few ecstatic people when the streak was broken.

 

+ No, Id rather see Rhyno vs Brock first, anyway, before they team up.  Gore! Gore! Gore!

 

First man to sell loses?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"First man to sell loses? "

 

I get that it was a joke...but if I have one problem with Brocks selling its that he sells TOO MUCH.

 

never seen a problem with Rhyno's either.

 

They both sell better than most big men....ever.

[Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair]

If I have one problem with Brocks selling its that he sells TOO MUCH.

Yeah I agree on RAW when RVD was fighting back up and was throwing some Weak looking Forearms Brock was selling them more than When Jeff Hardy hit him with the Chair.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I get that it was a joke...but if I have one problem with Brocks selling its that he sells TOO MUCH.

Yup. For some reason late last night I was thinking of Albert instead of Brock when I wrote that comment.

[Guest Army Eye]

Yeah I agree on RAW when RVD was fighting back up and was throwing some Weak looking Forearms Brock was selling them more than When Jeff Hardy hit him with the Chair.

True. And it still kills me how much Brock sold for Buh Buh Ray Dudley. I don't know if it was bullshit about him having to pay his dues, or if they actually think Buh Buh Ray is so important he needs to be protected, or what, but it was downright criminal that Buh Buh actually had Brock pinned if not for the ref being out. Sheesh, way to build up a monster.