Who Should Hogan Put Over Next

[Guest Vern Gagne]

If Hogan's really decided to help the younger talent, who should he lose to cleanly next ppv. For me it would be Chris Jericho. The match would suck but having Hulk Hogan tap out to the Walls would help Jericho's career.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I found Jericho and Hogans match on smackdown a while back to be very watchable... But then again I am a hogan mark, so grain of salt.

 

The only way someone is going to benefit from beating Hogan is if they retire him.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Hogan's not helping shit in my opinion. He's too old to do anything in the ring, and icon or not, it should be a foregone conclusion that anyone on the WWF roster can beat the balding old man. Every second that Hogan spends in the ring is another second that the business is exposed. Furthermore, he needs to be carried in every match to make it watchable. He can't sell or bump and he has no offense besides his terrible punches, big boot and legdrop. I'm just worried that every time someone carries Hogan to a decent match, Hogan will try to use that match as proof that he isn't a useless, old man. Nobody is getting a rub by beating a guy past his prime. If Larry Bird came back to the NBA, would you say that Kevin Garnett would be getting a rub from him if they faced each other? I don't think so. Bird was in his prime during the 80's just like Hogan and he retired in the early 90's just like Hogan should have done. Don't get me wrong, Hogan was useful for a couple of years as the leader of the NWO but right now, he's wortjless. People aren't popping for Hogan because they really want to see him. They pop for him because they didn't get to see him live during the Hulkamania run. They like what he did instead of what he is doing. The same thing is true of the Undertaker. People pop when he comes out, but go to sleep when he talks or wrestles. Meanwhile, the viewers at home don't give a damn either way because they're home. Why put the few remaining viewers through hell by forcingthem to watch the bullshit that a live crowd might like? Nobody cares when Jerry Lawler goes back to Tennessee except for the people in Tennesse. Nobody at home wants to see Hogan hulk up anymore. Shoot the old horse or find a better use for him. Maybe they can rent him out to petting zoos if they really must use him.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Hogan should put over the Cruiserweight Division somehow. While he's at it he could try and put Test over as well, but I doubt he could.

[Guest caboose]

Hogan should put over the Cruiserweight Division somehow. While he's at it he could try and put Test over as well, but I doubt he could.

It's funny you should say that, yesterday on EWR Hogan kept no-selling so I buried him on Heat by jobbing him to Tajiri, Kidman, Rey, Hurricane, Noble, Chavo, Christian and Chavo.

Thats my entire Cruiser divison.

Hogan was then fired.

 

Hogan shoud put over Chris Jericho.

2/3 falls match.

First Fall: Jericho wins with a LionSault.

Second Fall: Hogan taps to the WallsOfJericho.

No fall for Hogan.

[Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair]

The only way someone is going to benefit from beating Hogan is if they retire him.

 

I agree Hogan is now Basically a Mid Carder and he put Angle over. I don't see there being any point in him putting someone over if he really doesn't have much Credibility left. So the only way for him to put some over is for them to Retire him.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Hogan will probably job to someone at Vengeance with McMahon interference.

 

Then beat Vince at SummerSlam and go on a fake retirement.

 

Then they'll dust him off before Mania next year.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

It's like the guys on the LAW said.

 

Sure, Hogan tapped. But other than that, the match looked like crap.

 

He couldn't take the Angle Slam right..and wouldn't take any of Angle's other trademarks..(Belly to Belly, etc..). The 'hulking up' in the Anklelock bit made me want to puke.

 

It's so obvious that he's a relic of another age, and belongs nowhere near the current generation. Hell, the Undertaker is outclassed, but at least he's selling for guys like Jeff Hardy, Randy Orton, Tommy Dreamer, and RVD. Hogan needs to go. Fast. Even a Hogan "mark" has to realize how stupid he looks out there. His attire, ring "work", character, mannerisms..

 

All of it is so out of date it's not funny. If the WWE is smart, they'll get rid of the crap. Start with Hogan. Stop playing games with Trips, and deliver an ultimatum. Get back in shape, and start preforming like you were..or you can go the route Austin was going to. Putting people over.

 

They'll have to put up or shut up now. Keeping the old guys around is only going to prolong the ratings drought.

 

-Shiro

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

A victory over Vince to retire is the only sane thing to do now.

[Guest Flyboy]

For me it would be Chris Jericho. The match would suck but having Hulk Hogan tap out to the Walls would help Jericho's career.

I was thinking the same thing...

 

 

Plus, I found Hogan/Jericho was okay considering Hogan was in it on Smackdown!

 

With Jericho carrying him, and all.

[Guest buffybeast]

If the WWE is smart, they'll get rid of the crap. Start with Hogan. Stop playing games with Trips, and deliver an ultimatum. Get back in shape, and start preforming like you were..or you can go the route Austin was going to. Putting people over.

 

They'll have to put up or shut up now. Keeping the old guys around is only going to prolong the ratings drought.

Amen.

 

I don't know why Vince hasn't had the gumption to do this yet. What does he have to lose? The ratings are already in the shitters. And how much of a draw is Hogan, anyway?

[Guest thebigjig]

I don't know why Vince hasn't had the gumption to do this yet. What does he have to lose? The ratings are already in the shitters. And how much of a draw is Hogan, anyway?

About as much as Albert, who needs to be the next to go

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

That was kind of a cheap shot at Albert, but heh.

 

He did put on a perfectly good match with Kane on SD one night. His teaming with Test was decent, in my eyes. One thing..at least somebody like Albert is physically able to take bumps. Hogan would just break his hip trying, or worse yet..dosen't know what "selling" is.

 

-Shiro

[Guest Anglesault]

While he's at it he could try and put Test over as well,

That was a joke, right?

[Guest buffybeast]

I don't know why Vince hasn't had the gumption to do this yet.  What does he have to lose?  The ratings are already in the shitters.  And how much of a draw is Hogan, anyway?

About as much as Albert, who needs to be the next to go

The difference is that Albert isn't hogging up the spotlight nor is his presence preventing the elevation of younger talent. Albert is where he should be, unlike Hogan.

 

Plus Albert has loads of potential and an enormous upside. Hogan is done.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

If Hogan's really decided to help the younger talent, who should he lose to cleanly next ppv. For me it would be Chris Jericho. The match would suck but having Hulk Hogan tap out to the Walls would help Jericho's career.

It would suck, but not on the levels of Hogan/UT. If Jericho can channel Savage the way he did in that match for this fued, it would be gold. He can go into full 1998 bitch mode and complain about being screwed and whatnot. At this point, anything that'll sustain his heat would help because there's no real reason to hate Jericho other than his loud clothing and gum chewing.

[Guest SupaTaft]

Well I suppose I've waited too long for this.

FUCK YOU PEOPLE!!

 

That felt good, but now I'm going to back it up. Hogan is the biggest draw in wrestling history. If they had every "diva" in the WWE strip naked in the ring and start screwing each other, they still couldn't match what Hogan has drawn. I honestly do not see how you can doubt what Hogan has done, he made the fucking industry what it is today. If there were no Hogan, wrestling would have gone out of style 15-years ago. Wait, it wasn't in style before Hogan came, forget that last statement.

 

With him in the company now, I can understand a little better where you come from. You are right, he cant move very well nowadays. He has trouble taking even minute bumps, and when he hits a move on someone it looks like shit. But its his legacy that keeps him in this business. He is the biggest thing in wrestling history and can still draw fans today. Not to watch him wrestle now, but just to see The Hulkster. If he just came out to the ring and told some stories of when wrestling was cool, he would still draw. Hogan is a legend and you cant debate that. Even if you dont like the way he wrestles or the fact that he is still around, just to draw ratings from the last of the Hulkamaniacs, you know deep down that he is the reason people watch wrestling today.

 

Hogan was the spark that attracted people to the wrestling business, and to hear people knock on him, is simply put, a travesty. Most wrestling fans that watch Raw and Smackdown and buy the pay-per-views, arent "smarks", which as I have observed it, are people that anylize wrestling matches for the actual wrestling involved. These people are more or less, mindless drones, that only watch wrestling because someone turned them on to it. Those are the people who can call themselves Hulkamaniacs. The people who watch wrestling to enjoy themselves, not to critique the performers, and try to tell them how to do their jobs. As if your average "smark" has ever set foot in the ring and knows what the performers go through.

 

And it is these people who are your every-man. They are the populous. These people are your next door neighbor. These are the people that ring up the price of your groceries. This is America, and thats what Hogan represented, the every man. Hogan was attractive to so many people because his character was one of them. And when he "Hulked Up" he was reaching down inside to the strength that every person has inside of them. When he overcame insurmountable odds, like beating The towering Andre the Giant, or beating he who was known as the Ultimate Warrior, the fans cheered. They cheered because they knew that if Hogan could beat these dominant foes, that they could overcome the small and trivial tasks in their paltry, menial lives.

 

Hogan was a hero. To millions of people world wide. And remember, back in the eighties when The Hulkster reigned, there were no "smarks". Back in the eighties people watched wrestling to have fun. But now those called "smarks" watch only to critique the performers and point out their flaws. They tune in week after week, complaining about the negatives of this business. You know, you arent helping. If anything you are the reason that wrestling has gone down the shitters. People will watch anything that the writers put on the air, and wrestling fans wont give a damn how good the performers are. But all it takes is one "smark" in the neighborhood, to ruin the whole show. They get in the ears of the people who watch wrestling faithfully to enjoy themselves and turn them into "smarks", and they get in the ears of their other frinds and pretty soon, the whole damned neighborhood is complaining about how much wrestling sucks. And why does it suck? Because you people watch it only to anylize the moves and the bumps involved.

 

Maybe you know more about wrestling than the average person. Maybe you know how to put on a fujiwara armbar on someone six ways from Sunday, but until you put aside your hatreds for wrestlers, because they dont job, or they wont put people over, and sit and watch Raw or Smackdown just to watch it, then you are not a wrestling fan. And you shouldn't be allowed to ever watch wrestling, because you "smarks" are like termites. You knaw away at the viewers minds and make it so that pretty soon nobody enjoys wrestling anymore.

 

If you want to call Hulkamania a mass hysteria then go right ahead. Because I am comfortable enough with myself to say loudly, that I love Hogan. I am a Hulkamanic, and this so-called mass hysteria will never die. Because as long as their are people in this world who still actually like to watch wrestling, instead of complaining about it, Hulkamania will never die.

 

Never.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Hogan should job in a final retirement match at Summerslam. To whom? Well The Rock and Kurt Angle got the rub, so I think (honestly) either RVD or Booker T. Austin would be my first choice, but he's gone, so I'd say either RVD or the Bookerman......preferably Booker T.....

[Guest buffybeast]

SupaTaft, just about every positive reference you make about Hogan is in the past tense. He was a the most over superstar ever or he was the biggest draw.

 

The reality is that Hogan is none of those things now. He not the most over man in the company and he sure is hell is not a draw any more.

[Guest notJames]

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Awfully hostile for someone who's comfortable enough to admit he has a hard-on for Hogan.

 

No one is debating Hogan's significance in wrestling's history. But... the key word here is history, as in "Hulk Hogan is history." His drawing power has taken a complete dive since coming back in February. His numbers as Undisputed Champ were laughable. No one saw him as a credible champ in a sea of wrestling machines (Angle, Jericho, etc.) He himself knows that the expiration date of Hulkamania has long past, and it's stinking up the joint. I would applaud his putting Angle over at KOTR, but the match sucked, he couldn't sell any of Angle's signatures, and any rub he could have given was so overdue that now it means absolutely zero. Less than zero.

 

It's like that old song: "What have you done for me lately?" In Hogan's case, too little too late.

 

As for the cynical smarks who "knaw away at the viewers minds and make it so that pretty soon nobody enjoys wrestling anymore", I defy you to justify what Hogan does in the ring as "wrestling". 'll give you a rundown of his moveset to help you scramble for answers:

 

punch

punch

shove

hulk pose

catch breath

punch

punch

rake back

chop

look to crowd for support

chop

look to crowd for support

half-speed clothesline

ask for ringside oxygen tank

grab deteriorated hip and wince

3 minutes of half-hearted comical selling

hulk up

punch

punch

3 Stooges-esque windmill punch

bodyslam (if his back can handle it)

boot

light gallop into ropes

legdrop

 

Any other wrestler on the roster would be shot out of a cannon for dogging a match like that. And don't play up his age; Flair can still put together a competent match at his age... and he's older than Hogan.

 

Love Hogan all you want. Have any opinion about him you wish. But persecuting others for stating their opinions is a foolhardy proposition that smacks of hypocrisy and some inner resentment that any Freudian psychoanalyst would be slobbering over.

 

Plus it makes you look like an asshole.

[Guest Brian]

Just tap like a bitch to Benoit and Jericho.

[Guest thebigjig]

The difference is that Albert isn't hogging up the spotlight nor is his presence preventing the elevation of younger talent. Albert is where he should be, unlike Hogan.

 

Plus Albert has loads of potential and an enormous upside. Hogan is done.

Albert may not be "hogging" the spotlight, but that's only because he sucks, has never been a draw, and never will be a draw even if they give him a Hulk Hogan like push. Albert is a complete waste of space. The difference between Hogan and Albert is simple: People care about Hogan and most likely always will.

 

Loads of potential? Ecsqueeze me... abacon powder?

[Guest claydude14]

hogan got lucky. WWF could've given someone else that push in the 80s and put them over as huge as hogan. sure hogan has a nice charisma about him but had they pushed someone else just as much w/ the same character (keyword same character as ultimate warrior was too weird) they could have gotten over just the same as hogan. vince made hogan therfore vince made wrestling, not hogan.

[Guest FakeRazor]

Hogan should job to Crash Holly. Good god that'd be funny.

[Guest thebigjig]

hogan got lucky. WWF could've given someone else that push in the 80s and put them over as huge as hogan. sure hogan has a nice charisma about him but had they pushed someone else just as much w/ the same character (keyword same character as ultimate warrior was too weird) they could have gotten over just the same as hogan. vince made hogan therfore vince made wrestling, not hogan.

This is the typical Hogan-Hater argument, which is completely baseless. It takes two to tango. Hogan was very charismatic and had an amazing look about him that made people want to cheer him

 

Ever hear of his run in the AWA prior to his monster face run in the WWF? Yeah, he was extremely over in that company too. So over in fact, that when he beat Nick Bockwinkel in the ring for the AWA title and the decision was reversed, the crowd nearly rioted.

 

 

If you honestly think Vince could've taken somebody like Hillbilly Jim and given him the Hogan push, and succeeded with it... then well, I'm sorry but that's ludicrous

[Guest Nevermortal]

Hogan is the biggest draw in wrestling history. If they had every "diva" in the WWE strip naked in the ring and start screwing each other, they still couldn't match what Hogan has drawn.

You sure about that?

[Guest buffybeast]

The difference is that Albert isn't hogging up the spotlight nor is his presence preventing the elevation of younger talent.  Albert is where he should be, unlike Hogan.

 

Plus Albert has loads of potential and an enormous upside.  Hogan is done.

Albert may not be "hogging" the spotlight, but that's only because he sucks, has never been a draw, and never will be a draw even if they give him a Hulk Hogan like push. Albert is a complete waste of space. The difference between Hogan and Albert is simple: People care about Hogan and most likely always will.

 

Loads of potential? Ecsqueeze me... abacon powder?

Albert is not a waste of space. He had a good big man feud with Kane last year. The biggest problem with Albert is that he has a terrible moniker and gimmick. He has from the start. They've also never given him the opportunity to speak which hampers anyone's character development.

 

Albert is a decent big man wrestler. No, he will never be a Hogan. He may never be a main eventer. But he can put on decent matches and make others look good.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I guess that I'm one of the few that doesn't want to see Jericho in the main event. I thought that he was the best when he wrestled as a cruiserweight, so I don't see why he can't just go back to that. I know that he has wrestling talent and all, but I would much rather watch Jericho & Rey Jr go than watch Jericho get buried by Triple H & carry Hogan.

 

I think that Hogan should just go out now. He put over Angle, he can't put anyone else over, or it would be like his match with Angle was no big deal.

 

That's just the way that I see it.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Hogan taps out to Benoit to make up for all those years of holding him down.

 

Then off he goes.

[Guest jester]

If Hogan's really decided to help the younger talent, who should he lose to cleanly next ppv.

The announce table that refused to sell for Triple H's sledgehammer.

 

Hulk vs. Furniture = ratings!