Guest Army Eye Report post Posted June 28, 2002 I mentioned this already but I'll say it again. Deacon should have gotten the Brock push. He has what Brock doesn't 1) explosion and 2) the look like he actually wants to murder his opponent. Agreed, I think Brock should've been a babyface and Leviathan should've got the Brock push. Leviathan works more like a heel, and more importantly is one of the scariest looking guys I've ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted June 28, 2002 It'll never happen, but they should bring back the Jackyl and pair him with D-Von and Batista. They could call him brother Callis or something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted June 28, 2002 I see it as an HBK/Diesel relationship between D-Von and Batista where Batista just acts as a sort of bodyguard to get over, then separates from D-Von and has singles matches against guys who will bump like mad for him. Yeah, but the thing that made the HBK/Diesel relationship and subsequent breakup interesting, was that HBK had the thing they call CHARISMA. D'Von, judging from his current gimmick, doesn't. Until the bookers give him a GIMMICK, not a joke he is relegated to now, he is the epitome of the definition "tag team crutch". He doesn't have a definitive finisher, set-up move or ability to believe he is a threat to anybody but Randy Orton. His promos have little to no substance in them....how about having him abuse the fans or something along these lines? (Not the crap they're allowing him to spew, because we've all seen the Dudley Boyz promos from ECW....no comparison there.) He needs Bubba back, build them up together again, then do a natural split ala Edge and Christian. Levi is already getting a better pop than the guy, and he's only wrestled 1 match in 2-3 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Perfect Plex Report post Posted June 28, 2002 I'll have to watch it again. Maybe the match WASN'T all Angle bumping for Basic moves and shitty punches. Maybe, just maybe, he was trying to make Cena LOOK GOOD. Something that many of you ride HHH's ass for NOT doing to others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GenerationNever Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Forget the Dudleys, they're gone, move on. But, anyways, I agree Batista needs to get out of his role as lackey to the Reverend. D'Von is totally killing his heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thefrenchargel Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Batista looked really good. He had good energy and presence. Cena's debut was pretty good as well, solid but basic, which is about all you can expect from a rookie. Bumped well, sold well, although he looked so nervous he was about to piss himself. Angle kept him in check really well, and kept Cena from looking completely green. (still looked green, but it could've been worse.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Forget the Dudleys, they're gone, move on. But, anyways, I agree Batista needs to get out of his role as lackey to the Reverend. D'Von is totally killing his heat. I'm not totally up to bringing back the Dudleys, you know. But D'Von needs serious help before he can branch out as a solitary wrestler. His moves look like they need Bubba to be effective (Ex: If you inserted Bubba in the move, it's a Dudley moveset) It doesn't help that he didn't turn on Bubba at Vince's orders, instead doing a weak turn after offering his respect. I was thinking of bringing them back together, put Levi on D'Von's backburner, have the Dudleyz go for one month with a couple of promos to sever their ties, then allow Levi to put Bubba out of action for a while, then start a new relationship with D'Von and Levi minus the preacher gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 28, 2002 i thought batista (has he dropped the deacon?) looked impressive. he didn't do anything in the ring but physically he is a wicked lookin' dude. he if can move around that ring and be a better wrestler then king brock is then he should get away from the d-von crap he is trapped with. how lame did their theme song sound when it played after he won his match tonight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prince Paul Report post Posted June 28, 2002 D-Von just isn't over. Deacon may be getting there, but not D-Von. I think the ONLY thing you can with him is reunite the Dudley's, and Bubba may be having fun on his own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted June 28, 2002 I have seen Levi perform before, and he can make a match look intense because he knows how to play a monster...Brock can't. But lets not go over bord with this "Devon is killing his Heat" because the guy had no heat before last night, and if they brought him in like they did Brock, he might not have gotten heat at all. the guy did two moves that did get a pop, but he needs to stay in this gimmick, it will add to his getting over if they use it for more than 5 tier masterbation jokes and curtain jerkin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted June 28, 2002 I spent some time thinking about Bautista this morning and was running some ideas through my head. Here's my fill-in-the-number point plan to get him a little more ready for the big time. 1) Drop the Bautista. I think Deacon (not The Deacon, just Deacon) works as a short pithy name that is perfectly reasonable. Say it in your Vince McMahon impersonation voice and it sounds threatening. 2) Music needs to change from Gospel to something a little more Gregorian chantish - Channel some of that old time Undertaker music, it'll make Deacon more menacing, thats a good thing. 3) Up the dementia. I mean, the whole masturbation thing was a cheap attempt at humor. Deac should be like prowling the halls seaking out sinners and smiting their asses. 4) Find a finisher that's not the spinebuster... way too many spinebusting going on for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted June 28, 2002 3) Up the dementia. I mean, the whole masturbation thing was a cheap attempt at humor. Deac should be like prowling the halls seaking out sinners and smiting their asses. 4) Find a finisher that's not the spinebuster... way too many spinebusting going on for me. Testify! Seriously, good points. Maybe they should give Batista the Crucifix Bomb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest art_vandelay Report post Posted June 28, 2002 What was his finisher in OVW? The solution I see to this relationship is to make D'Von his permanent manager. D'Von is nothing special in the ring, his biggest attribute is his voice, IMO. The way I see it, they can still give Bautista the Brock push, with D'Von as his mouthpiece. You can have Brock on Raw and Deacon on SD. One day the two will main event a WrestleMania against each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prince Paul Report post Posted June 28, 2002 One day the two will main event a WrestleMania against each other. Do you think? That might be overstated it a bit. But hey, ya never know. B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Until the bookers give him a GIMMICK, not a joke he is relegated to now, he is the epitome of the definition "tag team crutch". He doesn't have a definitive finisher, set-up move or ability to believe he is a threat to anybody but Randy Orton. In Dvon's defense he was a Singles wrestler for a time in ECW before he teamed with Axl, then split with Axl to go back to the Dudley boys. He does have a Definitive Finisher, in that Inverted Brainbuster, thats what he used on his own, The set up being that Capture back elbow when he whips a guy into the ropes and nails them on the rebound. and he had the Flying headbutt before he crotched people with it. People who are stuck in Tag team ruts their individuality disappears. Look back at the New Age Outlaws. By the time WWF Attitude came around, I had no idea if Roaddogg even had a Finisher, then after the game was released Roaddogg started to do that Pumphandle humping slam. Talk about Ironic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Fett Report post Posted June 28, 2002 I see DVon being the Paul Bearer to Deacons Undertaker. Hopefully Deacon will prove to be a better wrestler then Undertaker though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Short spiffy name for Batista huh? How about, oh, LEVIATHAN~! His origin in OVW goes like this: Synn (a really nasty woman with a heel stable) conjured him up out of the Ohio River in a satanic ceremony. I believe he eventually turned on the Disciples of Synn and became the most over guy in OVW. I always found it funny OVW has Conway and Dinsmore fighting for the title when a dude like Leviathan could kill either of them in 30 seconds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest art_vandelay Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Do you think? That might be overstated it a bit. But hey, ya never know. Not at all. I have no doubt that these two, along with a few others, will carry the company on their backs in the future. [qoute]I see DVon being the Paul Bearer to Deacons Undertaker. Hopefully Deacon will prove to be a better wrestler then Undertaker though. I see it that way as well, with D'Von doing all of his preaching shit and Leviathan beating ass. [qoute]He does have a Definitive Finisher, in that Inverted Brainbuster[/qoute] Not very definitive when even Funaki is able to kick out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
