Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted June 29, 2002 I personally feel that Angle is much better off as a heel becasue his attitude is jsut oerfect ofr it. Besides, you hear the heat he gets? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Please no HHH-Steph junk in this thread, it's everywhere. Man has a point. As far as Test goes, I've been one of his more staunch defenders on this board, but he really shouldn't have won the KOTR unless they were going build-up to it(something that seems to be a lost art these days to the WWE). I think the Hart Foundation/Team Canada II or whatever you want to call it would give all three guys(Storm, Christian, and Test) a huge shot in the arm and maybe soem much needed credibility in the eyes of the fans. Thing is, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW IT THROUGH. Don't just drop it after 2 weeks like they've done so many times before with other angles(hell, they've even done it with this one a few times as well). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TestKick Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Angle is awesome as a heel, but the fans still love and respect the guy. To be a constant ME today, you have to be able to work both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Well he CAN work both ways, but I think that he gets more heel reacction than he would face reaction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Exactly. The WWE needs to see things through. Ever since last year, they have had a terrible habit of starting to push a young blue chipper to the moon and then suddenly getting cold feet and killing his push. Don't believe me? Take a look at this: RVD - In September, RVD is pushed to the main event level. He even has the full endorsement of Vince as the next WWE champion. Following Unforgiven, he is suddenly shunted back to the Hardcore division. They briefly toy with the feud of RVD and Chris Jericho (which would culminate in RVD main eventing January's Royal Rumble), but the program is dropped within a WEEK! Test - Test dominates the immunity battle royal at the Survivor Series, and seems to be in line for a big heel push. He gets several key victories, including a victory over the returning HHH. By the time that WrestleMania rolls around, he isn't even on the card. Edge - Has been pushed on-again and off-again since winning the 2001 King of the Ring. He must have dropped the I.C. title 12x while they were deciding what to do with him. They seem to be solidly behind him now, but only after his show-stealing matches with Kurt Angle at Backlash and Judgment Day. Chris Jericho - He beats The Rock via pinfall like 4x, he wins the Undisputed WWE championship at Vengeance by beating Steve Austin and The Rock in the same night, he is being pushed as the company's top heel, and then he has a mediocre match with HHH at WrestleMania and he gets thrown into the pit of obscurity. Brock Lesnar - They start to push him as a monster. He annihilates everybody (Well, every jobber...) in his path. He squashes the Hardyz single-handedly. Then his push starts to cool off. They start to make him look vulnerable to the Hardyz. Then, they suddenly re-light the fire under his push and sky-rocket him to the 2002 King of the Ring and the main event at SummerSlam. Hopefully, they stick with this and don't change their minds by August! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GenerationNever Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Angle didn't run away from Cena, Sault. He beat him, refused to shake his hand, and left. I can understand your other gripes about Angle, but don't see how he was made to look bad in this situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Just a few things: 1.Am i the only one who thinks that Angle shouldn't "Dominate" in the same way that say HHH did when he was heel. Its not Kurt's style. Supermen like HHH get boring very quickly. Ric Flair is the greatest ever and there are many similarities between him and Kurt. Also, Angle is probably the most over guy in WWE today. I think Angle is doin just fine. 2.Test is not a good wrestler. He is not good on the mic. He does not have good ring presence. He does not have good charisma. He is average at best. Hes had more than one large push and they have failed. He is not over, he is just a roided up big-man. This TeamCanada thing with him Storm and Christian is a great position for him-his fans should be grateful he even has that. 3.John Cena was made to look like a million bucks, mainly because of Angle. But that doesn't mean hes bad-lets give him a chance.So fuck, if he uses basic offence:alot of good wrestlers do. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Hes had more than one large push and they have failed. Aside the whole Steph marriage fiasco, what other big pushes has he had? The Alliance heel turn? You mean where he just teamed with Booker and was the Hardly Boys' and UT/Kane's bitches? The Immunity angle? You mean the two-week long bit where all they had him do was punk out refs? Yeah, like that's going to get ANYBODY over. That mini-feud with Rock in December? You mean the one where Rocky squashed him pretty much the entire time? Or how about T&A? The jobber tag team that did NOTHING while the un-over RTC got a tag title reign? Or maybe you mean the tag title shot he and Booker got at No Way Out where they jobbed cleanly by submission to the Midget Towers of Terror? When a push is cut off at the knees before it can develop, it will ALWAYS fail. Is that such a hard concept to grasp these days? Hell, Test isn't even alone in this "start-stop" revolving door bullshit. Look at 2001 before No Mercy and marvel at how bad Jericho was getting abused(granted, he was having horrible matches at the time aside from the Unforgiven match) with this philosophy. Hell, even go as far as his WCW career with the Greenburg bit, the whole "Is he NWO or not" bit with Giant helping him all the time. I've never said that Test was some great technical marvel in the ring, I can freely admit that. Hell, I've even said numerous times that he shouldn't be any higher than the Euro title level until he got over, BUT, like I said before, if you don't actually get behind a push and see it all the way through, it just damages all the wrestlers involved. Rant over. Damn, between my news column and this, I've been doing a hell of a lot of ranting lately... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted June 29, 2002 The Alliance heel turn? You mean where he just teamed with Booker and was the Hardly Boys' and UT/Kane's bitches? He was on TV every fuckin week, and was pushed as an "Alliance Superstar" who was "on a roll" winning a shitload of titles. He consitently winning matches on TV and still not getting over. After the Alliance shit he was another of the few alliance wrestlers on all the time because he had "immunity".Then the WWF seemingly realised he was goin nowhere. Unfortunately, recentley it looks like a new push is about to begin for Test what with all this Canada stuff. To the guy who said TEST SHOULD HAVE WON KING OF THE RING.erm...why?Brock Lesnar is gettin pushed as a monster so job him to fuckin Test??!!!his finisher is a kick for fucks sake!!why was he even in the KOTR-he shouldn't have got passed Bob Holly. Im no Bob Holly fan but wouldn't it have made more sense for Holly (a face) to advance to fight Lesnar (a heel)???Especially when Kurt Angle was struggling to beat Holly a few weeks before!I guess being Shane McMahon's buddy might have had sumthin to do with it. Cheers,BR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest -Cutthroat- Report post Posted June 29, 2002 Brock won? BROCK WON!? BROCK WON!! YAY!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites