Guest HollyandTestMark Report post Posted July 1, 2002 I don't understand why not many people like HHH? I realize that people believe he puts down other workers, but I wonder if he really does it on purpose, maybe Vince wants him to? I think HHH is pretty cool when he is on T.V and it is great to watch his matches! P.S: What do people mainly think about the wrestling performance of cruiserweights? Most of the matches seem to be repetitive and boring to me, but I do like Eddy a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted July 1, 2002 HHH's work has suffered a great deal since coming back from surgery. And we're not just talking getting reaquainted with the ring suffered, we're talking slow boring matches. If you want to see his good stuff, watch when he had his heel run. The problem H is that he's banging the bosses daughter, and he allegedly has a say in the direction of the company, so he holds back workers that are mopre talented than he (Jericho) and this is when the company needs its top wrestlers to be unselfish. I used to like HHH, but then I noticed that Jericho never seemed to beat him. HHH had a reputation as a backstage politician from his days with the Kliq, b ut I assumed that all that was behind him. Anyway, I noticed HH winning ALOT. I mean yeah sure somebody'd hit him with a chair or Austin would stun him or something, but he always seemed to get his revenge, at least when PPV time came around.There was the fact that he is the First Heel to escape Wrestlemania with the WWF Title, he beat Stone COld in the 2 out of 3 falls match at No Way Out, he stole Rikishi's heat as the hit and run assassine, he always, and I mean always beats Jericho, and once again, he is banging the bosses daughter. As for the Cruisers, you are getting Vince McMahon Cruiserweight action, meaning that, so as not to show up slower men like Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan, and our boy HHH, the WWE doesn't want the Cruisers to pull of the spectacular stunts that they can. I'm getting a bit conspiracy theory happy there, but I firmly believe that what we get in WWE isn't the total worker. In other words Vince limits their movesets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted July 1, 2002 My wife is a casual fan, and she almost stopped watching last year because HHH (and Austin) just squashed people every time and would kill the babyface's, and no one ever got them back. And she's a casual fan. Can you imagine if you surf the net and here about the backstage BS? NIKO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nezbyte Report post Posted July 1, 2002 HHH's work has suffered a great deal since coming back from surgery. And we're not just talking getting reaquainted with the ring suffered, we're talking slow boring matches. If you want to see his good stuff, watch when he had his heel run. The problem H is that he's banging the bosses daughter, and he allegedly has a say in the direction of the company, so he holds back workers that are mopre talented than he (Jericho) and this is when the company needs its top wrestlers to be unselfish. I used to like HHH, but then I noticed that Jericho never seemed to beat him. HHH had a reputation as a backstage politician from his days with the Kliq, b ut I assumed that all that was behind him. Anyway, I noticed HH winning ALOT. I mean yeah sure somebody'd hit him with a chair or Austin would stun him or something, but he always seemed to get his revenge, at least when PPV time came around.There was the fact that he is the First Heel to escape Wrestlemania with the WWF Title, he beat Stone COld in the 2 out of 3 falls match at No Way Out, he stole Rikishi's heat as the hit and run assassine, he always, and I mean always beats Jericho, and once again, he is banging the bosses daughter. As for the Cruisers, you are getting Vince McMahon Cruiserweight action, meaning that, so as not to show up slower men like Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan, and our boy HHH, the WWE doesn't want the Cruisers to pull of the spectacular stunts that they can. I'm getting a bit conspiracy theory happy there, but I firmly believe that what we get in WWE isn't the total worker. In other words Vince limits their movesets. About the car thing. Rikishi was tanking the angle. The management asked if any guys wanted the shot and HHH took it, a great business move (for him). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 1, 2002 Isn't it strange that both times HHH has helped out a major Austin angle (Driver, heel turn) it's ended up ruining what should have been a good face run? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 1, 2002 Isn't it strange that both times HHH has helped out a major Austin angle (Driver, heel turn) it's ended up ruining what should have been a good face run? Especially when he was in the "Two Man Powere Trip." HH was actually way over as a Face then, but he ruined it so he cold get himself booked to look smarter and better than Austin as a heel. Then he hurt his leg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 2, 2002 HHH is the one Kliq member I'm 50/50 on. HBK - God in the ring. How can you hate him? Keep in mind that my fav. wrestler is Bret Hart, and I STILL love the guy. X-Pac - Ditto. He's too good. Nash - Too funny. Hall - I was a huge Razor Ramon mark back in the day. What do I care if he's a drunk or a dick when the cameras are off? HHH - I never liked him from 1995-1997. I had heard from wrestlers who did shoot interviews that he was a piece of shit backstage. Plus, he always seemed like an HBK hanger-on. When he started to have his awesome heel run in 2000, I forgot the past and became a mark for him. Now that his matches blow and the truth has come out about his political maneuvering...I'll be honest, I don't really care for the guy anymore. Call me fair-weather, but this is entertainment, and I'm not gonna mark out for somebody who is a prick unless they are delivering the goods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nevermortal Report post Posted July 2, 2002 P.S: What do people mainly think about the wrestling performance of cruiserweights? Most of the matches seem to be repetitive and boring to me, but I do like Eddy a lot. You're like a weird, warped version of Anglesault! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 2, 2002 I heard that HHH is behind Kurt's male pattern baldness. You'd have a receding hair line too if somebody hand their hand planted on top of your head, holding you down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Combat Apparatus Report post Posted July 2, 2002 The things I really hate about him are that he keeps Jericho down so much and that he sucks in the ring now. Just look at when he won the IC title from Jericho for no reason and his match at this past KOTR and you'll see what I mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M Nyland Report post Posted July 2, 2002 he had a match at KOTR....??? I thought it was just him and Undertaker standing around till the Rock ran in.......either way... HHH - "Jericho sucks!" :poses, spits water, holds down: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whatmaniac Report post Posted July 2, 2002 I don't understand why not many people like HHH? I realize that people believe he puts down other workers, but I wonder if he really does it on purpose, maybe Vince wants him to? I think HHH is pretty cool when he is on T.V and it is great to watch his matches! Triple H has become the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the WWF today. There is no shortage of absurd conspiracy theories involving Triple H holding down someone else. Most of these theories are based on very circumstancial evidence and lots of speculation. Most of the negative feelings toward Triple h are due to the fact that some people need to blame someone for their favorite stars not having the WWF Title for 15 months. P.S: What do people mainly think about the wrestling performance of cruiserweights? Most of the matches seem to be repetitive and boring to me, but I do like Eddy a lot. It would seem that the WWF is trying to tone down the highspots and focus more on technical wrestling in this division. Personally, I find it an acquired taste but it is good for the wrestlers as they will be able to have longer careers this way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Why do some people think that HHH isn't involved in backstage politics. When every website as reported stories about HHH sitting in on meetings and HHH personally saying Jericho didn't have what it takes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheyCallMeMark Report post Posted July 2, 2002 There really aren't that many conspiracy theories. It's just a fact HHH is insecure about his spot (hence why he never puts anyone over... ever). Also, it's a pretty well known fact that a Steph/HHH combo decided to rebook Jericho's title run because they felt he was simply not good enough (which HHH is adamant and outpsoken about) and wasn't drawing the heel heat. So they shifted all the spotlight off of Jericho and made the feud for the title Stephanie v. Triple H. And, of course, if you ask Triple H it drew. What? Rock v. Hogan was on the card? PFFFFT. Fake dogshit draws ratings, not over wrestlers! Also it's pretty well known HHH had Lesnar's ref's decision victories stop. After they stopped he stopped getting over and began getting the "Goldberg" chants. I'm still not decided on this one, but I see where HHH might have thought "Hey, why am I not getting KO's... This rookie is lookin' tougher than me!" then again I can see him thinking it was stupid. Well not really. So hyah! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M Nyland Report post Posted July 2, 2002 yep.....Brock beening a HUGE guy that can destroy people and leave them for dead isn't credible but a roided mofo who can spit water and hit me with his knee is something I need to watch out for! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whatmaniac Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Why do some people think that HHH isn't involved in backstage politics. When every website as reported stories about HHH sitting in on meetings and HHH personally saying Jericho didn't have what it takes. And if it is on the internet, it can't be wrong, right? Besides, before the wrestlers were formally barred from the meetings, Jericho regularly attended too so it is not like Jericho did not have a means of defending himself. Even if this were true, it does not prove that Triple H is primarily responsible for the misfortunes of others. Is there any evidence that the other people at the meetings believe what Triple H says or that they even listen to him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Triple H has become the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the WWF today. There is no shortage of absurd conspiracy theories involving Triple H holding down someone else. Most of these theories are based on very circumstancial evidence and lots of speculation. Most of the negative feelings toward Triple h are due to the fact that some people need to blame someone for their favorite stars not having the WWF Title for 15 months. If Hunter isn't responsible for about 3/4 of the shit going down, then either a) there have been a SHITLOAD of strange coinky-dinks, or B) Someone is framing him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whatmaniac Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Triple H has become the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the WWF today. There is no shortage of absurd conspiracy theories involving Triple H holding down someone else. Most of these theories are based on very circumstancial evidence and lots of speculation. Most of the negative feelings toward Triple h are due to the fact that some people need to blame someone for their favorite stars not having the WWF Title for 15 months. If Hunter isn't responsible for about 3/4 of the shit going down, then either a) there have been a SHITLOAD of strange coinky-dinks, or B) Someone is framing him. I always thought the bookers were 100% liable for every cock-up that takes place on screen. Even Triple H and the Undertaker have not been able to ward off their collective incompetence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whatmaniac Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Triple H has become the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the WWF today. There is no shortage of absurd conspiracy theories involving Triple H holding down someone else. Most of these theories are based on very circumstancial evidence and lots of speculation. Most of the negative feelings toward Triple h are due to the fact that some people need to blame someone for their favorite stars not having the WWF Title for 15 months. If Hunter isn't responsible for about 3/4 of the shit going down, then either a) there have been a SHITLOAD of strange coinky-dinks, or B) Someone is framing him. I thought most of the "shit going on" was the fault of the bookers. They are the ones writing the shows afterall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Did the Bookers decide to mute RVD's pops? And you have to remember, it is EXTREMELY conceivable that HHH might have some influence over the head booker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buffybeast Report post Posted July 2, 2002 yep.....Brock beening a HUGE guy that can destroy people and leave them for dead isn't credible but a roided mofo who can spit water and hit me with his knee is something I need to watch out for! LMAO!!!!! You should watch out, however, for those roided up monsters!!!! They can be very scary!!!!! Anyways, I have never really got in on all the HHH hatred. Up until his injury last year, his matches were very good and entertaining. He hasn't seemed to have found his old self this year. On Jericho, I read that in late 1999 Vince was ready to fire Jericho. Apparently Vince was not happy with Jericho's work or the fact that he was injuring people. I thought that it was HHH who stepped up and convinced Vince not to fire him. HHH, I read, volunteered to work with Jericho to get him adapted to the WWF style of wrestling. So if HHH has done all of this, why would he want to hold him down? Of course, if you fast forward to December 2001 and Jericho's very shitty title reign things looked different. That was some of the worse booked wrestling I have ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nevermortal Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Did the Bookers decide to mute RVD's pops? And you have to remember, it is EXTREMELY conceivable that HHH might have some influence over the head booker. Namely his penis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whatmaniac Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Did the Bookers decide to mute RVD's pops? And you have to remember, it is EXTREMELY conceivable that HHH might have some influence over the head booker. Assuming the reports about pop-muting are accurate, can you prove that HHH is the one behind it? It is just as conceivable that another main eventer used his influence to dampen RVD's heat. It could just as easily been Austin, Undertaker, or even Jericho or Beniot behind RVD's alleged burial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Did the Bookers decide to mute RVD's pops? And you have to remember, it is EXTREMELY conceivable that HHH might have some influence over the head booker. Assuming the reports about pop-muting are accurate, can you prove that HHH is the one behind it? It is just as conceivable that another main eventer used his influence to dampen RVD's heat. It could just as easily been Austin, Undertaker, or even Jericho or Beniot behind RVD's alleged burial. Yeah, because it was just a COINCIDENCE that RVD began curtain jerking the night of Cripple H's return... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Benoit was home recovering from an injury. Jericho was FEUDING with the man, why the hell would he want a heatless feud? And why would Taker/Austin/Rock wait until 1/7 to mute the pops? Why not in the six months before? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whatmaniac Report post Posted July 2, 2002 Benoit was home recovering from an injury. Jericho was FEUDING with the man, why the hell would he want a heatless feud? And why would Taker/Austin/Rock wait until 1/7 to mute the pops? Why not in the six months before? At the time, Beniot was expected to return two weeks after Triple H and he did hang around with Kevin Sullivan for awhile. It is conceivable that Beniot may have picked up a few tricks from him. As for Jericho, he was made to look very bad in that feud so he would have an interest in ending it. He also would not want the bookers to get any ideas about cutting short his title reign. Taker and Austin may have felt that RVD was getting too over by January. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 2, 2002 So one of the would have decided to mute them THE DAY HHH was scheduled to come back? A little fishy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted July 2, 2002 At the time, Beniot was expected to return two weeks after Triple H and he did hang around with Kevin Sullivan for awhile. It is conceivable that Beniot may have picked up a few tricks from him. As for Jericho, he was made to look very bad in that feud so he would have an interest in ending it. He also would not want the bookers to get any ideas about cutting short his title reign. Taker and Austin may have felt that RVD was getting too over by January. 1. You're just grabbing for straws with that one. 2. I'm sure Jericho probably "had an interest" in keeping the title at WM, too. So why didn't that happen? Because of HHH, maybe? 3. HHH may have felt that, too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Whatmaniac Report post Posted July 2, 2002 So one of the would have decided to mute them THE DAY HHH was scheduled to come back? A little fishy. Personally, I don't buy into that whole pop-muting nonsense. The crowd seemed fine to me when I was watching and if the pops for RVD were any louder, it would have been impossible to hear the announcers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted July 2, 2002 So one of the would have decided to mute them THE DAY HHH was scheduled to come back? A little fishy. Personally, I don't buy into that whole pop-muting nonsense. The crowd seemed fine to me when I was watching and if the pops for RVD were any louder, it would have been impossible to hear the announcers. Okay, this shows me that you're obviously just a HHH mark trying to defend your hero. First you say that UT and Austin might have been behind it. Then we give a valid point about HHH and suddenly "you don't buy it." So you basically just said "I buy it if it's Austin or UT, but not if it's HHH." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
