Questions about HHH

[Guest crandamaniac]

About the HHH "conspiracy theories". I have to say that I am not a big fan of Hunter, but there are facts that do support all these claims:

 

1) The Wedding angle- Why wasn't there any kind of feud between HHH/Test? It would have made since, and could have built Test up as a new face in the Main Event scene. Maybe Hunter didn't want Test to overshadow him in popularity.

 

2) Kurt Angle - One of the Biggest Feuds a couple of years ago was Angle/HHH over Stephanie. The outcome being that Steph chose HHH and HHH went back to being a heel. This right there really hurt Angle at the time, as he could of easily been the #1 Heel in the company with Steph by his side, feuding against the sympathetic babyface HHH. Why was this feud cut so short? Maybe HHH couldn't stand somebody taking the spot that was his at the time, so he nixed the idea.

 

3) Chris Jericho- He was getting over as a Heel Champion, and his Feud w/ the Rock was regarded as one of the best feuds of 2001. Next thing you know, He's in a feud that's basically about a dog

 

4) RVD- Before the Events of Jan. 7th, the man was in a main event feud with Jericho. The night of Jan. 7th he's curtain-jerking Raw. Coincedence? I think not.

 

HHH is power-hungry, and like his other Kliq members, will stop at nothing to keep his position.

[Guest Narcoleptic Jumper]

I've never actually read anything that said that Triple H is doing Stephanie. Is this like, confirmed or something? I just one day saw all you guys talking about it, so I've always kind of not believed that. Is it true?

[Guest Whatmaniac]

So one of the  would have decided to mute them THE DAY HHH was scheduled to come back? A little fishy.

Personally, I don't buy into that whole pop-muting nonsense. The crowd seemed fine to me when I was watching and if the pops for RVD were any louder, it would have been impossible to hear the announcers.

Okay, this shows me that you're obviously just a HHH mark trying to defend your hero.

 

First you say that UT and Austin might have been behind it.

 

Then we give a valid point about HHH and suddenly "you don't buy it."

 

So you basically just said "I buy it if it's Austin or UT, but not if it's HHH."

 

I am by no means a Triple H mark but I do not believe him to be the malignant force backstage that many so-called smart marks seem to think he is. I was simply trying to point out that there are many people who could be causing trouble so there is no reason to single out Triple H. IF anyone should be blamed for the WWF's poor creative decisions, the bookers should take the brunt of it. I mean, if Triple H is so powerful, then why are all his friends either unemployed or stuck in heatless midcard stables while his alleged enemies are winning titles and main-eventing on a regular basis? It does not make sense.

 

 

BTW, I am getting a little sick and tired of these constant conspiracy theories about Triple H popping up in virtually every thread. It is getting so that one can't go anywhere without encountering some crackpot idea being bandied about. Can't the internet wrestling community find some other scapegoat for a while, because the current HHHate is as tiresome and repetitive as an Undertaker promo.

[Guest alfdogg]

Yes. Chyna was on Howard Stern and said she found out about Hunter cheating on her with Steph, so they split, and HHH-Steph started going out/fucking/whatever.

[Guest alfdogg]

BTW, I am getting a little sick and tired of these constant conspiracy theories about Triple H popping up in virtually every thread. It is getting so that one can't go anywhere without encountering some crackpot idea being bandied about. Can't the internet wrestling community find some other scapegoat for a while, because the current HHHate is as tiresome and repetitive as an Undertaker promo.

You're preaching to the choir, man. It didn't work when the other 742964783418946327592654566432768345634390 people on this board bitched about it, why should it now?

[Guest Anglesault]

while his alleged enemies are winning titles and main-eventing on a regular basis? It does not make sense.

 

Austin: out of the company

Rock: Basically said "fuck this" and is making movies.

Jericho: Yeah, those titles are ROLLING it, aren't they? And on top of that, He's got an Edge feud.

RVD: Trying to get Brock Lesnar over. ::sigh::

Angle: Getting his pants pulled down almost every show, cheating to beat bob holly, wore a goofy ass wig for a month.

[Guest Whatmaniac]

About the HHH "conspiracy theories". I have to say that I am not a big fan of Hunter, but there are facts that do support all these claims:

 

1) The Wedding angle- Why wasn't there any kind of feud between HHH/Test? It would have made since, and could have built Test up as a new face in the Main Event scene. Maybe Hunter didn't want Test to

overshadow him in popularity.

 

There might have been a Triple H/Test feud if Vince McMahon hadn't booked himself into the main event at Armageddon 1999.

 

2) Kurt Angle - One of the Biggest Feuds a couple of years ago was Angle/HHH over Stephanie. The outcome being that Steph chose HHH and HHH went back to being a heel. This right there really hurt Angle at the time, as he could of easily been the #1 Heel in the company with Steph by his side, feuding against the sympathetic babyface HHH. Why was this feud cut so short? Maybe HHH couldn't stand somebody taking the spot that was his at the time, so he nixed the idea.

 

At the time, it looked like they were building to a HHH/Angle title match at Survivor Series. Unfortunately, Triple H had to do an impromptu heel turn to bail out the Rikishi/Austin storyline.

 

3) Chris Jericho- He was getting over as a Heel Champion, and his Feud w/ the Rock was regarded as one of the best feuds of 2001. Next thing you know, He's in a feud that's basically about a dog

 

You are forgetting that Triple H was also involved in a feud about a dog. Lucy hurt both guys.

 

4) RVD- Before the Events of Jan. 7th, the man was in a main event feud with Jericho. The night of Jan. 7th he's curtain-jerking Raw. Coincedence? I think not.

 

Mini-Feuds are quite common between the December and January PPVs. Booker T had a mini feud with Austin going on at the same time that was dropped soon afterwards.

 

HHH is power-hungry, and like his other Kliq members, will stop at nothing to keep his position.

 

If that is true, then Triple H has got to be one of the most inept backstage politico ever.

[Guest Anglesault]

You are forgetting that Triple H was also involved in a feud about a dog. Lucy hurt both guys.

 

But Hunter went over, backing up his "You're not in my league" statement.

 

Mini-Feuds are quite common between the December and January PPVs. Booker T had a mini feud with Austin going on at the same time that was dropped soon afterwards.

 

But RVD/Jericho never had anything resembling a blow off. Even mini feuds have some kind of blow off.

 

 

HHH is power-hungry, and like his other Kliq members, will stop at nothing to keep his position.

 

If that is true, then Triple H has got to be one of the most inept backstage politico ever.

 

Well, let see. he managed to get the title despite being unover and totally useless in the ring a Mania, he has gone over Angle and Jericho 3765659 times since his return, He beat Jericho in Hell in a Cell for no real reason, he got a title shot at King of the Ring despite the fact that he had TWO injuries and he STILL sucked in the ring, and it still took a bomb dropping to beat him, he is still a face even though he is absolutely horrible in his role.

 

No, Hunter NEVER gets his way...

[Guest Whatmaniac]

while his alleged enemies are winning titles and main-eventing on a regular basis? It does not make sense.

 

Austin: out of the company

Rock: Basically said "fuck this" and is making movies.

Jericho: Yeah, those titles are ROLLING it, aren't they? And on top of that, He's got an Edge feud.

RVD: Trying to get Brock Lesnar over. ::sigh::

Angle: Getting his pants pulled down almost every show, cheating to beat bob holly, wore a goofy ass wig for a month.

-Jericho was in the main event of Smackdown last week and he was the guy to unify the WWF and WCW titles. His reign as champion is the longest this year. He also seems set to feud with Edge, who is the number one face on the Smackdown brand

-RVD is the current IC champion and his feud with Brock Lesnar is a main-event feud in the WWF's eyes.

-Kurt Angle is getting a title shot this week and his feud with Edge got him in the main event. He has also been headlining house shows throughout the country.

 

In fact, I think that all three of these guys have main evented more shows in recent weeks than Triple H has.

[Guest crandamaniac]

If you need anymore proof, then go back to WMX7. HHH wanted to be the 1st one to end Taker's undefeated streak, for really no apparent reason

[Guest Anglesault]

Jericho was in the main event of Smackdown last week

 

Kaientai has main evented SD! as well. Do you have a point?

 

and he was the guy to unify the WWF and WCW titles. His reign as champion is the longest this year

 

NOW. Jericho's push ENDED at Wrestlemania. It was reinforce by the pointless loss in HiaC. He has been farting around with Mark Henry since then.

 

He also seems set to feud with Edge, who is the number one face on the Smackdown brand

 

First of all, Edge is not the number one face. Both HHH and HHH rank above him. Secondly, Edge has not helped a single person's career since he went off on his own. In most cases, he has been detrimental.

 

-RVD is the current IC champion and his feud with Brock Lesnar is a main-event feud in the WWF's eyes.

 

IC is a secondary belt. If the feud with Jericho wasn't "ended" so suddenly last January, he could be a main eventer right now. And Brock is the most heatless sack of shit in the WWF.

 

Kurt Angle is getting a title shot this week and his feud with Edge got him in the main event. He has also been headlining house shows throughout the country.

 

Angle WAS a main eventer before Edge. Edge did not elevate him to the main events. In fact, he dropped him lower. And Bob Holly, Rikishi and Val venis are main eventing house shows too. Randy Orton has gotten a SD! title shot.

[Guest Whatmaniac]

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Mini-Feuds are quite common between the December and January PPVs. Booker T had a mini feud with Austin going on at the same time that was dropped soon afterwards.

 

But RVD/Jericho never had anything resembling a blow off. Even mini feuds have some kind of blow off.

I don't recall Austin/Booker T having a blowoff. It was just quietly dropped.

 

HHH is power-hungry, and like his other Kliq members, will stop at nothing to keep his position.

 

If that is true, then Triple H has got to be one of the most inept backstage politico ever.

 

Well, let see. he managed to get the title despite being unover and totally useless in the ring a Mania, he has gone over Angle and Jericho 3765659 times since his return, He beat Jericho in Hell in a Cell for no real reason, he got a title shot at King of the Ring despite the fact that he had TWO injuries and he STILL sucked in the ring, and it still took a bomb dropping to beat him, he is still a face even though he is absolutely horrible in his role.

 

No, Hunter NEVER gets his way...

 

He also lost the title in his very first PPV defense to someone who was twice his age and supremely untalented. During the build-up to the match, Triple H was made to look foolish and weak by putting Hogan over as a serious threat. The promotion for his Wrestlemania match was horrible as it was treated as an afterthought to the Hogan/Rock match. In the months leading up to the King of the Ring match, Triple H ended up wrestling in the midcard almost every week. How many main eventers promote their title matches by losing to Reverend D-Von and Test? Heck, the Smackdown before the match saw Triple H wrestling Billy Gunn in the midcard. I doubt that any halfway good politician would allow himself to get into that position in the first place.

[Guest Whatmaniac]

If you need anymore proof, then go back to WMX7. HHH wanted to be the 1st one to end Taker's undefeated streak, for really no apparent reason

Triple H was originally booked to compete for the WWF title with Austin and Rock in a Triple Threat match so a program wiht Taker represented a bit of a step down for him.

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't recall Austin/Booker T having a blowoff. It was just quietly dropped

 

Austin beat Booker clean in early February.

 

 

 

He also lost the title in his very first PPV defense to someone who was twice his age and supremely untalented.

 

He got outvoted. apparently Stephanie was trying to keep the belt on HHH, but the rest of the booking team over ruled her so they could ride Nostalgiamania. And it still took nonsenseical run ins from Taker and Jericho to lose

 

 

 

During the build-up to the match, Triple H was made to look foolish and weak by putting Hogan over as a serious threat.

 

There was NO build up for the match! The tag teamed alot, made mean faces at eachother, and accidently hit eachother with chairs. WHOO BOY.

 

 

 

the months leading up to the King of the Ring match, Triple H ended up wrestling in the midcard almost every week. How many main eventers promote their title matches by losing to Reverend D-Von and Test? Heck, the Smackdown before the match saw Triple H wrestling Billy Gunn in the midcard. I doubt that any halfway good politician would allow himself to get into that position in the first place.

 

Hunter's oponents were never made to look good int hose matches. He either beat them clean, or seventeen million people ran in. The winner would then go right back to the midcard (Or in test's case, the upper midcard)

[Guest Anglesault]

If you need anymore proof, then go back to WMX7.  HHH wanted to be the 1st one to end Taker's undefeated streak, for really no apparent reason

Triple H was originally booked to compete for the WWF title with Austin and Rock in a Triple Threat match so a program wiht Taker represented a bit of a step down for him.

How so? Taker was a 3 time champion and a Federation legend with an undefeated WM streak. HHH was a four time WWF champion and fast becoming one of the biggest heel in history. The difference between the two was absolutely minute.

 

And you think that's why HHH should have demanded a win?

[Guest Whatmaniac]

Jericho was in the main event of Smackdown last week

 

Kaientai has main evented SD! as well. Do you have a point?

 

Kaientai does not main event as frequently as Y2J.

 

and he was the guy to unify the WWF and WCW titles. His reign as champion is the longest this year

 

NOW. Jericho's push ENDED at Wrestlemania. It was reinforce by the pointless loss in HiaC. He has been farting around with Mark Henry since then.

 

Yet his matches are often as high if not higher on the card than Triple H's.

 

He also seems set to feud with Edge, who is the number one face on the Smackdown brand

 

First of all, Edge is not the number one face. Both HHH and HHH rank above him. Secondly, Edge has not helped a single person's career since he went off on his own. In most cases, he has been detrimental.

 

Judging by the booking before Edge got hurt, Edge would qualify as the number one face. He was main eventing more regularly than Triple H and Hogan were and his matches usually got the lion's share of the hype from the announcers. And since when are young up-and-comers supposed to elevate people? They are the ones who should be elevated.

 

-RVD is the current IC champion and his feud with Brock Lesnar is a main-event feud in the WWF's eyes.

 

IC is a secondary belt. If the feud with Jericho wasn't "ended" so suddenly last January, he could be a main eventer right now. And Brock is the most heatless sack of shit in the WWF.

 

RVD is a main eventer right now. One does not need to be the current WWF champion to be considered a main eventer. And Brock is not the most heatless sack of shit in the WWF. That distinction belongs to the Big Show.

 

 

Kurt Angle is getting a title shot this week and his feud with Edge got him in the main event. He has also been headlining house shows throughout the country.

 

Angle WAS a main eventer before Edge. Edge did not elevate him to the main events. In fact, he dropped him lower. And Bob Holly, Rikishi and Val venis are main eventing house shows too. Randy Orton has gotten a SD! title shot.

 

If Angle was already a main eventer, then he did not need Edge to elevate him. And did Randy Orton's title shot get the hype that Angle's match is getting?

[Guest Whatmaniac]

I don't recall Austin/Booker T having a blowoff. It was just quietly dropped

 

Austin beat Booker clean in early February.

 

Really, I don't remember that.

 

He also lost the title in his very first PPV defense to someone who was twice his age and supremely untalented.

 

He got outvoted. apparently Stephanie was trying to keep the belt on HHH, but the rest of the booking team over ruled her so they could ride Nostalgiamania. And it still took nonsenseical run ins from Taker and Jericho to lose

 

How dare Triple H not job cleanly to an immoble has-been and look like an utter weakling! If this had happened to anyone else, it would have been an outrage.

 

 

 

During the build-up to the match, Triple H was made to look foolish and weak by putting Hogan over as a serious threat.

 

There was NO build up for the match! The tag teamed alot, made mean faces at eachother, and accidently hit eachother with chairs. WHOO BOY.

 

Doesn't exactly make you want to watch them wrestle does it?

 

 

the months leading up to the King of the Ring match, Triple H ended up wrestling in the midcard almost every week. How many main eventers promote their title matches by losing to Reverend D-Von and Test? Heck, the Smackdown before the match saw Triple H wrestling Billy Gunn in the midcard. I doubt that any halfway good politician would allow himself to get into that position in the first place.

 

Hunter's oponents were never made to look good int hose matches. He either beat them clean, or seventeen million people ran in. The winner would then go right back to the midcard (Or in test's case, the upper midcard)

 

Lance Storm was made to look like a million bucks in his match with Triple H. The mere fact that Triple H was mixing it up and jobbing to midcarders did nothing to promote his match with the Undertaker and it made him look like a midcarder himself.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"How dare Triple H not job cleanly to an immoble has-been and look like an utter weakling! "

 

 

By this philosophey...HHH should not have won a single match since his return.

 

NOT ONE.

 

Now he is more immobile than anyone.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Why do some people think that HHH isn't involved in backstage politics. When every website as reported stories about HHH sitting in on meetings and HHH personally saying Jericho didn't have what it takes.

And if it is on the internet, it can't be wrong, right? Besides, before the wrestlers were formally barred from the meetings, Jericho regularly attended too so it is not like Jericho did not have a means of defending himself. Even if this were true, it does not prove that Triple H is primarily responsible for the misfortunes of others. Is there any evidence that the other people at the meetings believe what Triple H says or that they even listen to him?

Is the Interent always right, no. But when the Torch and Observer amongst others have reported HHH is holding down Jericho numerous times than I tend to think it's true. Maybe it's a Interent Conspiracy against HHH.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Maybe WhatManiac can start up the internethaters.

 

Damn that INTERNET!!!!!!

 

 

Always trying to hold HHH down.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Do you guys remember that Thanksgiving edition of Smackdown! back in 1999 when HHH was talking to the bums and he took a cheap shot at Jericho, even though they were both heels and weren't involved in a program together?

[Guest Prime Time Andrew Doyle]

[And it still took nonsenseical run ins from Taker and Jericho to lose

Well you can't really call that nonsenseical in the scheme of things. Taker was due to get the title shot at JD and HHH defeated Jericho a month prior. He has than faced Jericho at JD, Avenged Jericho's interference in the Cell, than fell short against the 'Taker. Had that point been noted by the announcers, the matches and the reasons behind probably would have made more sense

[Guest Whatmaniac]

Why do some people think that HHH isn't involved in backstage politics. When every website as reported stories about HHH sitting in on meetings and HHH personally saying Jericho didn't have what it takes.

And if it is on the internet, it can't be wrong, right? Besides, before the wrestlers were formally barred from the meetings, Jericho regularly attended too so it is not like Jericho did not have a means of defending himself. Even if this were true, it does not prove that Triple H is primarily responsible for the misfortunes of others. Is there any evidence that the other people at the meetings believe what Triple H says or that they even listen to him?

Is the Interent always right, no. But when the Torch and Observer amongst others have reported HHH is holding down Jericho numerous times than I tend to think it's true. Maybe it's a Interent Conspiracy against HHH.

 

Is there any conclusive proof, or are the dirt sheets just engaging in sensationalism in an effort to sell more papers.

[Guest humongous2002]

For crying out loud the bastard it's banging the head booker/owner's daughter, anyone with half a brain would use this opportunity to get himself over in that situation, Stephanie is so dumb for thinking that he loves her b/c she is smart and pretty, if he really felt that way how come she had to go get her tits bigger? Because she wanted to please the fans or her "man"?She's nothing but a bimbo that's being used by this big mark, that's what he is a big freaking mark for himself. Trying to take over Austin's job of being the toughest S.o.b in the weewee. I use to respect this man in the ring but I never liked him for his political b.s. backstage, and now I don't even like him in the ring anymore. Can't wait for Steph to hook up with somebody else so she could put the Lame in midcard limbo.[

[Guest M Nyland]

Can't wait for Steph to hook up with somebody else so she could put the Lame in midcard limbo.

what a lovely site...

 

Farooq d. HHH

Mark Henry d. HHH

Christian d. HHH

Test d. HHH

Lance Storm d. HHH

 

Angle d. HHH

Jericho d. HHH

 

....Angle and Jericho are currently stuck in midcard hell....what better way to move up then to break the glass ceiling's nose and make him TAP!

[Guest Whatmaniac]

For crying out loud the bastard it's banging the head booker/owner's daughter, anyone with half a brain would use this opportunity to get himself over in that situation, Stephanie is so dumb for thinking that he loves her b/c she is smart and pretty, if he really felt that way how come she had to go get her tits bigger? Because she wanted to please the fans or her "man"?She's nothing but a bimbo that's being used by this big mark, that's what he is a big freaking mark for himself. Trying to take over Austin's job of being the toughest S.o.b in the weewee. I use to respect this man in the ring but I never liked him for his political b.s. backstage, and now I don't even like him in the ring anymore. Can't wait for Steph to hook up with somebody else so she could put the Lame in midcard limbo.[

Now this is one aspect of the conspiracy theories that really annoys me. The "Banging the bosses' daughter" line always seems to be predicated on the assumption that Stephanie has no mind of her own and will do whatever Triple H says. I am assuming Steph can think for herself and is not going to be ordered around. She has to be reasonably intelligent in order to get such an important position. The notion that Stephanie is nothing more than Triple H's love slave reeks of misogynistic thinking on the part of many smarks.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

In fact, I think that all three of these guys have main evented more shows in recent weeks than Triple H has.

 

That's because Hunter was injured and was planning on leaving right before the match with UT... Which he did.

 

How many main eventers promote their title matches by losing to Reverend D-Von and Test?

 

Angle, Jericho.

 

Heck, the Smackdown before the match saw Triple H wrestling Billy Gunn in the midcard. I doubt that any halfway good politician would allow himself to get into that position in the first place.

 

How is that not good politicking? It's not bad at all. He gets brownie points for "evelvating" young guys while in reality he basically make them look like jokes who can barely or cannot beat him at all four days after "the most brutal kind of match". I don't know but getting beaten by a guy who is basically worthless husk who wrestles his normal style except now he's supposedly 100x weaker and still beats your ass... Does little for your image. If anything it made HHH look good because even when inured he was way out of the midcarder's league.

 

If Angle was already a main eventer, then he did not need Edge to elevate him.

 

You silly sod! Angle was elevating EDGE man!

[Guest Vern Gagne]

For crying out loud the bastard it's banging the head booker/owner's daughter, anyone with half a brain would use this opportunity to get himself over in that situation, Stephanie is so dumb for thinking that he loves her b/c she is smart and pretty, if he really felt that way how come she had to go get her tits bigger? Because she wanted to please the fans or her "man"?She's nothing but a bimbo that's being used by this big mark, that's what he is a big freaking mark for himself. Trying to take over Austin's job of being the toughest S.o.b in the weewee. I use to respect this man in the ring but I never liked him for his political b.s. backstage, and now I don't even like him in the ring anymore. Can't wait for Steph to hook up with somebody else so she could put the Lame in midcard limbo.[

Now this is one aspect of the conspiracy theories that really annoys me. The "Banging the bosses' daughter" line always seems to be predicated on the assumption that Stephanie has no mind of her own and will do whatever Triple H says. I am assuming Steph can think for herself and is not going to be ordered around. She has to be reasonably intelligent in order to get such an important position. The notion that Stephanie is nothing more than Triple H's love slave reeks of misogynistic thinking on the part of many smarks.

Reasonable Intelligence?That's funny. I'm sure Stephanie isn't an idiot but if you think she got her job because of any other reason than her last name you're sorely mistaken.