Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted July 3, 2002 i'll say goldust or ken shamrock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 3, 2002 Someone should tell Kenny boy that wearing flip-flops looks kinda stupid unless he likes to be compared to Sid... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 3, 2002 flip flops? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 3, 2002 Eddy gets my vote. I can't in good conscience give any vote to Goldust. Close second is Booker, although he is still fighting through the damage inflicted to him the last year by Rock, Austin, and the writing team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMikeSC Report post Posted July 4, 2002 No love for Matt Hardy? He's become a rather decent little ring worker---even if he has no charisma whatsoever. Jeff has the prettier spots---but Matt has the better matches consistently. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSoleSurvivor Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Sault, the flip-flops are in reference to the atrocious WCW Beach Blast '93 Angle. I don't feel like explaining it here, but in the angle, Sid sported flip flops at one point in the skit. Needless to say, I had nightmares for weeks after watching the thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 4, 2002 No, I knoew that, but when was Shamrock wearing flip flops? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSoleSurvivor Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Damn, 'fraid I can't answer that one. They look cool maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mattdotcom Report post Posted July 4, 2002 When, not why. I'd assume he did at an NWA show. The Hardyz can't win comeback of the year, simply because they came back from a WWExile, not career-threatening injuries or anything. That's what CBotY should be, coming back from the impossible, not a crappy PPV match. But, since no wrestlers I like came back from injuries, I'll say Eddie, because he rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M Nyland Report post Posted July 4, 2002 But, since no wrestlers I like came back from injuries, I'll say Eddie, because he rules. HHH gets no love........... SWEET! - this has been: M Nyland Bah....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Matt's always really been a good little in-ring worker. Fond memories of OMEGA come to mind. Come to think of it, Jeff used to be pretty decent too. They were like what American Dragon and Low-Ki are to the indy scene today in a way, in that they revolutionized and refined the indy style on a consitent basis, and inspired a generation of indy workers (with Bradley, Daniels, Helms, Maverick, etc.). Ki, Homocide, and Dragon might be able to do the same, but they may be the first wave like Lynn, 1-2-3 Kid, and Sabu were (who came on the heels of Foley and Gilbert doing the brawling; as well as USWA) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Anybody who comes from being fired on the air by a shitty writer on a pay per view with a ridiculously low buyrate to being the main attraction to one of the highest grossing pay per views ever, should definitely get some sort of mention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 4, 2002 A shitty writer, who since he started contributing ideas to the company, the direction seems to have gotten better and they seem to have put less emphasis on having something happen every show to having something happen in the long term. Just saying. Hogan's a different case. I mean, his championship reigh put a lot of low faith in a large demographic of WWE viewers. Basically his face run was handled as a goodbye, a goodwill call. And what did he specifically contribute to making his run a comeback? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Mania drew a helluva lot of money for such a lackluster card. Call me crazy, but I don't think it was based on the strength of the Chris Jericho-HHH main event. I wish they would've ended it there with Hogan, seeing as he made all the money they paid him back and then some, but they decided to put the belt on him, which I didn't agree with. I personally would've like to have seen him the Baba role, not in the main event, but just there around the middle of the card because the fans want to see him. It looks like they are leaning toward that now, which is cool with me. Giving him the belt did nothing but hurt the world title and doing so was a bad decision on McMahon's part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 4, 2002 But because Hogan's impact was only really that one dy, and he hasn't really contributed anything since than, is it really much of a comeback? I mean, he had his send-off by working with the Rock (and hell, it was as much Rock as Hogan), he really just was apart of that one thing. And altogether I can't see this all amounting to more than Booker since his character has basically been shoved aside. How many actual feuds has he been in this year? How many of them were main event calibre? How many losses has he had in big matches? How many pay per view matches has had? How much has this guy been buried since he came to the WWE? And yet, with a simple babyface push that he probably should have had in the start (despite how well his heel work worked out well-beyond expectations), he's been able to basically single-handedly turn around his whole career. I mean this is a guy who's basically never been a top guy (other than the dying days of WCW), so for him to be as over as he was without really winning was incredible. Think how over he could be if he got a few of those fluke falls RVD got during the Alliance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted July 4, 2002 They tried pushing Booker as a strong babyface from the getgo (running in and attacking the WWF's top star at the King of the Ring in his first appearance, being the primary representative of WCW during the Invasion, main eventing Raw even though he wasn't established in the eyes of WWF fans), but the fans rejected it due to the WCW stigma that he had. So they turned him heel and put him in a feud with the Rock in an attempt to work off of that negative WCW stigma, but that didn't work either. A big part of that was due to booking of the WCW Invasion and not necessarily the booking of Booker T. They did create a new character for him though, which took the fans a while to connect with and accept, but in the past few months it seems to be working thanks to pairing him up with Goldust and slowly turning him face. I think they did the best they could as far as rebuilding him and we should see great things in the future for the Booker man. On the subject of Hogan, he's still very useful for the sole fact that he's a draw. Not a top tier main event huge money draw, but a strong draw nonetheless. A house show featuring Hogan is going to draw much more money than a house show with any other SD main eventer (except the Rock) and his merchandise to this day is still selling well. As far as being a ratings draw, he's not strong in that area, but who really is anymore? On the WM main event issue, would Rock Vs anyone other than Hogan have done as well business wise at this years Wrestlemania? Perhaps a Rock Vs Austin rematch, but even that is questionable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Definately they probably would have gone with Rock vs. Austin, either as main event or mid-card (second to Triple H/Jericho for the title), and minus the NWO probably could have put together a better card because they put alot of focus into that and ended up throwing matches together. Hogan really hasn't drawn anything, nor has anyone else (except maybe Austin). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted July 4, 2002 What has he come back from? More importantly, where has he improved? Goldust is doing wacky skits, that isn't a come-back. That said, Eddy is busting his ass to get back to where he used to be, and God bless him for trying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Anyways, why not Booker? What the heck did this guy ever do in the WWE that gets him as over as he is? He fucking earned his spot after doing nothing, being shoved in nothing feuds,being made to look like a bitch. That's a career turnaround to be made into a face that's not only the newest and could be biggest thing on the block with one clean pinfall, or a pay per view match. Fuck, how over could this guy be if he got something even resembling a push. I don't care if he hasn't been out, Booker's legitimately turned his career around. Couldn't have said it better myself. Goldust is doing wacky skits, that isn't a come-back. But he's doing wacky skits with Booker T that are actually funny and getting him over and making him one of RAW's top faces alongside his skit compadre, though somewhat ironically while remaining comfortably in the top of the mid-card. I'd say Hogan or Guerrero too, but they actually have yet to improve since their come-back, they're exactly the same as they were. For Guerrero, this is decidedly a good thing, and for Hogan, well... it's a testament to McMahon's power of making an image and a man, if nothing else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 4, 2002 I think that Benoit is going to be the comeback story of the year before 2002 is over. Mark my words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted July 4, 2002 But he's doing wacky skits with Booker T that are actually funny and getting him over and making him one of RAW's top faces alongside his skit compadre, though somewhat ironically while remaining comfortably in the top of the mid-card. I'd say Hogan or Guerrero too, but they actually have yet to improve since their come-back, they're exactly the same as they were. For Guerrero, this is decidedly a good thing, and for Hogan, well... it's a testament to McMahon's power of making an image and a man, if nothing else. Good comedy and good wrestling are too different things. Comedy doesn't draw, wrestling does. By wrestling, I mean serious wrestling, with feuds, important matches, violence, and all that stuff. Comedy is great and all, but at the end of the day comedy is just an add-on to the real money-drawing stuff, the serious stuff. Goldust has managed to find something he's actually usefull for in listless comedy segments with no point, but beyond that he's worthless. Booker has yet to to show me more than that, either. Eddy is even better than before he left. The greatest thing about him is that whenever he's out (for whatever reason) he comes back just a little bit better. This time he bumped way more, and is trying to get back to the God-like ability he had in the better points of his career. Hogan, on the other hand, has gotten even worse, which makes sense considering the drop in skill that comes with age only increases the speed it works at with every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Good comedy and good wrestling are too different things. Comedy doesn't draw, wrestling does. By wrestling, I mean serious wrestling, with feuds, important matches, violence, and all that stuff. Comedy is great and all, but at the end of the day comedy is just an add-on to the real money-drawing stuff, the serious stuff. Comedy is what got The Rock over and is still his main draw. It's also what's getting Booker T over, slowly but surely, SUCKAAA! But if you're looking for important matches and violence as evidence for a successful comeback, Eddy Guerrero hasn't really had that either, seeing as how he jobbed to Ric Flair, one of the biggest names in the business, in a solid but fairly uneventful PPV match. He's still stuck with the rather poor "Latino Heat" gimmick, and is only really over with the smarks. His ring-work may be a little better, but on the whole he's still the same as he was before. This is totally off-topic, but if they brought back those "Eddy Guerrero is my favorite wrestler... CHEAT TO WIN!" shirts, I'm sure that'd help him out with the sheep, if nothing else. Plus, those are cool shirts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted July 4, 2002 Fuck you guys, I'm voting for Mark Henry because he lifted that dumbell over his head. That handle was huge, yet he hoisted the weight over his head like it was a feather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 5, 2002 Dustin one yr ago was wrestling in TCW. Now he's like one of the top faces in RAW and is as over as he's ever been in his career. Now THAT'S a comeback Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted July 5, 2002 Comedy is what got The Rock over and is still his main draw. It's also what's getting Booker T over, slowly but surely, SUCKAAA! But if you're looking for important matches and violence as evidence for a successful comeback, Eddy Guerrero hasn't really had that either, seeing as how he jobbed to Ric Flair, one of the biggest names in the business, in a solid but fairly uneventful PPV match. He's still stuck with the rather poor "Latino Heat" gimmick, and is only really over with the smarks. His ring-work may be a little better, but on the whole he's still the same as he was before. This is totally off-topic, but if they brought back those "Eddy Guerrero is my favorite wrestler... CHEAT TO WIN!" shirts, I'm sure that'd help him out with the sheep, if nothing else. Plus, those are cool shirts. 1) Bullshit. Rock got over because he was an ego-driven maniac who was both charismatic and arogant. One of those guys people loved to hate, until eventually his intensity and out-of-this world charisma made them love to love him, and the rest is history. Comedy did not get him over, talent did. The comedy was a nice addition, but the comedy couldn't have existed without the serious part of the character, which is not true when flipped around. The same holds true for Booker. Unless he can do serious segments and be booked in serious feuds, there's no point to pushing him. Now, I think he CAN get over in serious situations, but the same definately does not hold true for Goldust, who's only serious feud since his return completely flopped and served no purpose other than killing RVD's monster babyface heat to almost nothing. 2) Yes, but Eddy has the potential to have all these and succeed. Eddy has tried very hard to reinvent himself as a vicious, arrogant, yet cowardly heel. The "Latino Heat" gimick has always been pretty stupid, but Eddy has always managed to work around that and get it over regardless, ever since he was saddled with the gimick in early 2000. Now, he's struggling because his feud with Rob Van Dam had no promo time, his feud with Austin was cut off, and his feud with Ric Flair had next to no build-up and ended with him jobbing. Still, with Benoit's help he can still salvage the character and is still over despite everything. His in-ring work is better than it's been in a long while and even though he hasn't gotten all the big matches doesn't mean he couldn't get them and do well. Goldust doesn't have that going for him. Nope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 5, 2002 Shamrock doesn't qualify for comeback of the year...at least not in this forum. This is WWE comeback of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
