Guest Downhome Posted July 6, 2002 Report Posted July 6, 2002 Can you possibly imagine how the shows would come accross? It would simply be unreal, lol. Just picture a heated WWE bout between two guys really giving their all. The fans not caring who is heel or who is face, just poping for the moves that impresses them, cheering for the guy that they feel really busted their ass in the ring. Yeah, I know WWE will never have fan interaction as ECW did, but just imagine... ...Dub Dub E, Dub Dub E, lol. Wouldn't that just be great if the WWE fans actually was as into this product, as the ECW fans were with that product? Then if something was put out that the fans hated, they would all begin to chant boring, or b.s. or whatever. Hmmm, perhaps THAT would get Vince & Co. to "fix" the current product. Sincerely, ...Downhome...
Guest Zero_Cool Posted July 6, 2002 Report Posted July 6, 2002 Heh. If those were the types of fans you saw in the WWF, I'm thinking you'd see The Rock and UT going out there and throwing themselves through tables and attempting Tiger Drivers to impress the fans. Hell, we'd maybe see UT flying over the top rope again.
Guest Vitamin X Posted July 6, 2002 Report Posted July 6, 2002 We'll never see that, because we'll never see matches like we saw in ECW in the WWF again. But just watch Rock/Hogan from WM and you'll see that huge fan reaction. I swear, I have NEVER seen a crowd more into a match than that one in the WWF, except for maybe Rock/Austin. Huh. Maybe Rock IS the most electrifying man in sports entertainment.
Guest SuperTonyJaymz Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 You say that like it would be a good thing...
Guest Trivia247 Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Too the Causal Lamen of Wrestling, ECW or any.. they might think at first glance of a ECW fan base just a bunch of Neo Nazi Anarchists who are closet Sadists... Someone gets smashed through a table or gets thrown out into the crowd. The fans are around the guy crowding him and Shouts ECW ECW ECW right in his face LOL WWE is too Queezy doing Impressive moves I doubt they want a ECW style Fans in the Stands or every match might get a booing/Boring chant.
Guest Downhome Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 You say that like it would be a good thing... Would you care to explain how it wouldn't be a good thing if WWE fans were a bit more into the shows?
Guest SuperTonyJaymz Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 I didn't mean if they were more into the show. Every fed needs that, wants that. My problem with ECW fans have been, generally, they think they're smarter than they are. People complain about fans not being in it, but from hat I see, the ECW fans would either sit on their hands untill they saw blood and/or high spots or pass the time making up chants like "Show us your tits" isntead of actually being into the match. Not all the time, but i've seen it plenty enough.
Guest Austin3164life Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 ECW fans were rabid because they craved that high-spot/Hardcore style. ECW was like a modern-day Coliseum Roman Gladiator match. People love to see blood and risk taking. This hurts the WWE because now Vince is playing it safe with the relaxed style of wrestling there is today.....
Guest Downhome Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 I'm going from the perspective of being so damn into the show, most of the show, voicing when they liked something and really doing it whey they thought it sucked. Also, I loved how they would cheer for whoever was doing great in the ring. I mean, they actually appriciated cruiserweight matches, etc... while the majority of WWE fans just usually don't seem to give a damn.
Guest Zero_Cool Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 I remember when they had a Tajiri/Psicosis match-up. That was one of the hottest crowds I've ever seen for a Cruiser match. The fans would give them standing ovations after every little thing.
Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 I wish the WWE Fan's were like ECW fans remeber when in ECW say during an RVD Jerry Lynn match they would do all those amazing counters and the fans didnt care if Jerry was Heel or RVD was Face they would both get a stounding ovation for there workrate. Man those were the days and those were the fan's. I miss ECW I guess im gonna have to go back to my wrestling video collection and pull out some Rey JR VS Psiciosis and RVD VS Jerry Lynn Matches.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Can you imagine the "YOU FUCKED UP! YOU FUCKED UP!" chants? There'd be almost no "Hoe-Lee SHIT! Hoe-Lee SHIT!" chants though ... God i miss ECW ECDub! ECDub! *points finger*
Guest RickyChosyu Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 You'd get people only interested in blood, I think. You know, I hate to ruin your revisionist history trip you're going on here, but I seem to remember ECW fans as the guys who would obnoxiously chant "borring" durring Raven promo's because the storyline wasn't getting violent enough, I guess. Or the guys who, when borred with an impact players tag match would just start a "Show Your Tits" chant. Appreciation of work-rate? These are the people who bought tickets to see matches like Gangstas/Public Enemy/Headhunters and actually enjoyed them. These were guys who watched JT Smith land right on top of his head on the concrete and thought it was funny enough for a "you fucked up" chant. The same people who chanted "Fuck Sabu" because he had to make a living. The same people who chanted "You Sold Out" at Jerry Lynn because he needed to feed is familly. The same people who bought all of Shane Douglas's Flair hate to the point that "Flair is dead" became part of their vocabulary. I don't think there's any crowd I would want to be a part of less. You know what my all time favorite ECW moment is? The one where Brian Pillman debuted at Cyberslam '96. When the house lights came on and he was standing in the middle of the ring, the fans collectively shit a brick. He went on a tirade on Eric Bischoff, and had them in the palm of his hand. Then, out of no where, he turns on them and says they're all just as bad as Bischoff because they're all "smart marks" who really don't know anything. They all went dead silent. For the first time a net favorite who they fully supported had told them to fuck off and they didn't know how to react. Classic.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 You'd get people only interested in blood, I think. You know, I hate to ruin your revisionist history trip you're going on here, but I seem to remember ECW fans as the guys who would obnoxiously chant "borring" durring Raven promo's because the storyline wasn't getting violent enough, I guess. Or the guys who, when borred with an impact players tag match would just start a "Show Your Tits" chant. Appreciation of work-rate? These are the people who bought tickets to see matches like Gangstas/Public Enemy/Headhunters and actually enjoyed them. These were guys who watched JT Smith land right on top of his head on the concrete and thought it was funny enough for a "you fucked up" chant. The same people who chanted "Fuck Sabu" because he had to make a living. The same people who chanted "You Sold Out" at Jerry Lynn because he needed to feed is familly. The same people who bought all of Shane Douglas's Flair hate to the point that "Flair is dead" became part of their vocabulary. I don't think there's any crowd I would want to be a part of less. You know what my all time favorite ECW moment is? The one where Brian Pillman debuted at Cyberslam '96. When the house lights came on and he was standing in the middle of the ring, the fans collectively shit a brick. He went on a tirade on Eric Bischoff, and had them in the palm of his hand. Then, out of no where, he turns on them and says they're all just as bad as Bischoff because they're all "smart marks" who really don't know anything. They all went dead silent. For the first time a net favorite who they fully supported had told them to fuck off and they didn't know how to react. Classic. They were still the most active crowds, and an active crowd is a good one. If WWE gave consistantly brutal and bloody matchs, and then switched to the current, slower, style - i bet you'd hear some "BOOOOOOOORING" chants too.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Considering all the injuries WWE has had to deal with and I don't think a brutal and bloody style would be the way to go.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 No one said it was, im just pointing out why it wouldnt work. The WWE guys dont get enought vacation, THAT'S why.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 They were still the most active crowds, and an active crowd is a good one. If WWE gave consistantly brutal and bloody matchs, and then switched to the current, slower, style - i bet you'd hear some "BOOOOOOOORING" chants too. I don't think they were. There have been better crowds with less obnoxious nuances many times, so I don't think we need the Philly Mutants creeping back into the arena's any time soon. No, I don't think you would. Even after all the conditioning to like the brawling style that Austin popularized, crowds were still up for Benoit and Angle's much slower-paced type matches last year. The mutants wouldn't have been.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Benoit and Co got over in ECW. You used the BEST guys on the roster, what about the `worst`? Picture this: You're conditioned to respond to brutal matches with awesome high spots for years, then one day the card consists of Albert types wrestling Bob Holly types. You CANNOT say that people would like it given how they are conditioned. Fuck, people dont like it NOW.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 The last thing we need is a return of the mutants.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 The last thing we need is a return of the mutants. What's with that name? It's fucking retarded. They're not Ninjas ... or turtles.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Oh god.....if there's one thing I hated more than ECW it was the ECW fans. They pimped ECW as the greatest wrestling organization ever and it got really annoying because ECW was FAR FAR from that.
Guest LesnarLunatic Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 "What if the WWE fans..., ...had the attitude of ECW fans?" then the Sandman would be in the WWE.
Guest Flyboy Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 "What if the WWE fans..., ...had the attitude of ECW fans?" RVD would be MORE over than he is now. Scary ain't it?
Guest RickyChosyu Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Benoit and Co got over in ECW. You used the BEST guys on the roster, what about the `worst`? Picture this: You're conditioned to respond to brutal matches with awesome high spots for years, then one day the card consists of Albert types wrestling Bob Holly types. You CANNOT say that people would like it given how they are conditioned. Fuck, people dont like it NOW. I don't know what you mean by BEST, I just chose two guys who worked a more slow-paced match. ECW fans weren't willing to sit through those, no matter who was wrestling. And Jesus, ECW would be LUCKY to get guys like Albert and Bob Holly wrestling for them. The"burtal matches with awesome high spots" that you speak of never happened. Well, Shane Douglas Vs. Tully Blanchard was down-right brutal, but I don't think that's what you meant. If by "awesome high spots" you meant RVD exposing the business in his matches faster than Douglas could in his promos, or Sabu voluntarily putting himself through tables, then I'd hate to think what you thought of the actual "work" itself. Simply put, Paul Heyman managed to train his audience to enjoy wrestlers like Sandman, the Public Enemy, Sabu, Mikey Whipreak, Mike Awesome, Shane Douglas, Tommy Dreamer, Taz, and the Dudley Boyz by conditioning them to enjoy chairs, tables, crowd brawling, and "high-spots." You see, despite the fact that none of them were good wrestlers (Rob would eventually get decent, but at the time he was pure shit), the fans would pop for them whenever they did something that had been branded as "extreme" and thus, their true ability (or lack, there of) was masked. This is why all those acts failed upon trying to make it in the big two: becaues those fans hadn't been conditioned to enjoy the things that all those guys were doing, and quickly caught on to the fact that none of them were really any good. Of couse, RVD is the sole exception to all of this, but there always is with things like this.
Guest evenflowDDT Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 There already is a federation with ECW fans. It's called XPW, and nobody likes it. What makes you think people would like ECW-styled WWE? You also have to realize few if any of the wrestlers would want to work that style today... unless you want to see Undertaker powerbombing RVD off a balcony every show until he finally dies, because nobody else wants to take the spot. Also, for complaining about the workrate, don't forget ECW had tons of blown spots (Sabu, anyone?), but that the fans cared less because they knew they'd see somebody attempt suicide later in the match so they'd cheer that instead. If you think ECW-style fans would cheer a highly technical match or anything OTHER than a "holy shit!" spot, you're dreaming.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Benoit and Co got over in ECW. You used the BEST guys on the roster, what about the `worst`? Picture this: You're conditioned to respond to brutal matches with awesome high spots for years, then one day the card consists of Albert types wrestling Bob Holly types. You CANNOT say that people would like it given how they are conditioned. Fuck, people dont like it NOW. I don't know what you mean by BEST, I just chose two guys who worked a more slow-paced match. ECW fans weren't willing to sit through those, no matter who was wrestling. And Jesus, ECW would be LUCKY to get guys like Albert and Bob Holly wrestling for them. The"burtal matches with awesome high spots" that you speak of never happened. Well, Shane Douglas Vs. Tully Blanchard was down-right brutal, but I don't think that's what you meant. If by "awesome high spots" you meant RVD exposing the business in his matches faster than Douglas could in his promos, or Sabu voluntarily putting himself through tables, then I'd hate to think what you thought of the actual "work" itself. Simply put, Paul Heyman managed to train his audience to enjoy wrestlers like Sandman, the Public Enemy, Sabu, Mikey Whipreak, Mike Awesome, Shane Douglas, Tommy Dreamer, Taz, and the Dudley Boyz by conditioning them to enjoy chairs, tables, crowd brawling, and "high-spots." You see, despite the fact that none of them were good wrestlers (Rob would eventually get decent, but at the time he was pure shit), the fans would pop for them whenever they did something that had been branded as "extreme" and thus, their true ability (or lack, there of) was masked. This is why all those acts failed upon trying to make it in the big two: becaues those fans hadn't been conditioned to enjoy the things that all those guys were doing, and quickly caught on to the fact that none of them were really any good. Of couse, RVD is the sole exception to all of this, but there always is with things like this. Alot of smarks hate on ECW, ECW was great. I loved it. Some great wrestlers became popular from there. Tajiri, Cactus Jack, Steve Austin, Raven, Rey Jr, Eddy G, Chris Benoit, Super Crazy, Hayabusa, Chris Jericho, and Lance Storm - to name a few. Yeah, they 'trained' us to enjoy brutal matches. Blood becamse a fixture. So what? It got over, if Paul had made some better decisions they wwould still be around. ECW was great, not the best, but they were still great. LOVE LIVE ECDub!
Guest Smeghead Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 If you think ECW-style fans would cheer a highly technical match or anything OTHER than a "holy shit!" spot, you're dreaming. You didn't see the Malenko vs. Guerrero 2/3 falls match, did you?
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted July 7, 2002 Report Posted July 7, 2002 Aside from New Jack, ECW in its last year or so was a pretty damn good wrestling-oriented product IMO. Booking-wise, yeah 'shell of it's former-self', but I thought the ring-product was fantastic.
Guest RobJohnstone Posted July 8, 2002 Report Posted July 8, 2002 If you think ECW-style fans would cheer a highly technical match or anything OTHER than a "holy shit!" spot, you're dreaming. You didn't see the Malenko vs. Guerrero 2/3 falls match, did you? or benoit vs snow from double tables. Benoit looked like a monster --Rob
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