Guest justcoz Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 1wrestling.com just stated that many in the back are blaming Brian Gerwitz for Nash's injury as Nash didn't know until he arrived at the arena that he'd be wrestling. His gear had to be flown in. Gerwitz is being held accountable as it doesn't seem he can hold a position of authority and is often seen reading comic books during Raw!!!! First, let me just say that yes although many of us are making fun of Nash's injury, I feel for the guy. He's been waiting 3 and a half months to work again and because of WWE's suck filled creative team aren't capable of doing any booking for the long term or notifying talent of their roles in advance to them showing up at the arena, Nash was thrown to the wolves tonight. Something as simple as him not having a particular knee brace or protective gear could have contributed to his injury tonight. Who really knows? Second, action has to be taken with Gerwitz. Austin's departure can be blamed on him. Nash's injury now. While Heyman has managed to make Smackdown watchable, Gerwitz's Raw has been uninspired with the exception of guys busting their asses like Eddie-RVD and Jeff Hardy/Taker. Give Raw to Russo and let Heyman have Smackdown. The PTC can no longer question WWE's content so the time is right for Russo to be given the ball and he and Heyman could have a nice creative rivalry.
Guest bsrizpac Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 I tend to agree here. Nash was not ready and these fuckers messed up his career possibly.
Guest Angle is Wrestling Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 NASH WASN'T READY TO WRESTLE?! Damn... Has he been ready to wrestle AT ANY TIME since he signed a WWE contract?
Guest bsrizpac Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 NASH WASN'T READY TO WRESTLE?! Damn... Has he been ready to wrestle AT ANY TIME since he signed a WWE contract? Good joke, BUT remember it's dickface's job to let him know in advance that he'll be wrestling.
Guest LesnarLunatic Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 Let Robert "Mex Hammer" McCoumick book RAW the link is to his TNM WWE work.
Guest candie45 Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 He should have notified Nash before that he was wrestling, but the guy didn't exactly fall on a wrestling move. He could have done the same walking down the street.
Guest justcoz Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 Nash hadn't wrestled in months and wasn't due to return to action until Friday. How in the hell could Gerwitz not have the decency or professionalism to tell him in advance that his return was being pushed up and he'd be working tonight??? Wasn't Benoit medically cleared for quite some time before his actual return to the ring in WWE? You mean to tell me he could have showed up at Raw the week after his return and Gerwitz could tell him he was booked in a ladder match main event against RVD ? Plus, if Gerwitz is this much of nitwit, then who is to say that the majority of the dead action or skits we are seeing on Raw aren't due to him not dealing with the talent properly? Did Trish know she'd be working against a totally green Jackie tonight or was that clusterf*ck due to Gerwitz's ill planning also?
Guest bsrizpac Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 Nash hadn't wrestled in months and wasn't due to return to action until Friday. How in the hell could Gerwitz not have the decency or professionalism to tell him in advance that his return was being pushed up and he'd be working tonight??? Wasn't Benoit medically cleared for quite some time before his actual return to the ring in WWE? You mean to tell me he could have showed up at Raw the week after his return and Gerwitz could tell him he was booked in a ladder match main event against RVD ? Plus, if Gerwitz is this much of nitwit, then who is to say that the majority of the dead action or skits we are seeing on Raw aren't due to him not dealing with the talent properly? Did Trish know she'd be working against a totally green Jackie tonight or was that clusterf*ck due to Gerwitz's ill planning also? Gerwitz seems like an idiot. Fire his ass.
Guest Downhome Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 On a side note, when Flair was talking to Jeff Hardy in the back and you saw "some guy" sitting in the background, am I the only one who, if only for a moment, thought it was Russo? Stephen Richards was sitting how Russo does, and even moved liked him when he started to get up. I thought they were about to unleash a Flair/Russo program on us all once again!
Guest Angle is Wrestling Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 Oh Cripes, NASH TRIPPED AND TORE HIS FRICKING QUAD. It has nothing to do with the arm injury he had. He could have had the same injury tripping over HHH's unattended to 'Roid needle.
Guest bsrizpac Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 Oh Cripes, NASH TRIPPED AND TORE HIS FRICKING QUAD. It has nothing to do with the arm injury he had. He could have had the same injury tripping over HHH's unattended to 'Roid needle. It's called not warming up for the match you imbecile.
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 While yes, Gerwitz is an idiot for not informing Nash ahead of time that he was wrestling, having medical clearance for an arm injury really has nothing to do with the knee injury tonight. Really, this is just one of those freak accidents like Eddy's arm and Austin's neck(although both of those injuries were due to wrestling moves).
Guest Anglesault Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 Should Gerwitz have also swept the groud where nash would have been walking if he wasn't wrestling? Because he could have just as easily tripped over a box or something on the floor.
Guest bsrizpac Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 While yes, Gerwitz is an idiot for not informing Nash ahead of time that he was wrestling, having medical clearance for an arm injury really has nothing to do with the knee injury tonight. Really, this is just one of those freak accidents like Eddy's arm and Austin's neck(although both of those injuries were due to wrestling moves). I tend to agree with this, but who knows what impact it could have had on having time to prepare for the ring.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 I think each show needs two writers, as they can compare notes and come up with ideas, as well as filter each others' crap. Gerwitz makes good comedy with his Booker T and Goldust stuff, but Raw needs someone else to actually book matches that aren't the same tired formula of "let's abuse tag team matches so nobody loses any heat. Conversely, Paul Heyman has been writing matches that have been making SmackDown fun again in terms of matches, but the fans don't care because the storylines and changes suck (Reverend D-Von? Cmon.)
Guest Sakura Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 I don't understand this. If he is cleared, he is cleared. He shouldn't need a week's notice or whatever. He should be fine. It's not like he was booked to do a huge bump that involves his knee. It wasn't even his knee that was injured in the first place. He hurt himself walking around. How is that anyone's fault? WTF? Does he need a week to get down the mental preperations for walking around or jumping over people? Does he need a week to "warm up" for the grueling task of walking around and jumping over Booker? This is all silly. It was a freak accident that could have happened on any day after returning.
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 While yes, Gerwitz is an idiot for not informing Nash ahead of time that he was wrestling, having medical clearance for an arm injury really has nothing to do with the knee injury tonight. Really, this is just one of those freak accidents like Eddy's arm and Austin's neck(although both of those injuries were due to wrestling moves). I tend to agree with this, but who knows what impact it could have had on having time to prepare for the ring. Good point, but we'll never know if he could have actually avoided the injury if he had known he was wrestling ahead of time because he could have prepared and the same thing could happen. It's all a really bad coincidence, I think.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 This guy hasn't been writing for Raw more than a month now, I think, even in the unstable enviroment of today, that's a little early to jump on him. Tonight's Raw (relatively dead crowd aside) was quite entertaining, and while it wasn't brilliant or anything, it was better than anything I saw Russo write for WCW, and yet people are still clamoring for his return. As for the injury thing, Nash has a long history of knee problems, and is thus, a special case. Now, I don't personally agree with the fact that he was put back on the active roster to begin with, since I believe this would have happened sooner or later, but the point is if you're going to have a guy like Nash wrestling you need to take special prequations because obviously he's not in the best of health.
Guest justcoz Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 The quad injury has nothing to do with his bicep injury but most definitely could have something to do with ring rust, being unfamiliar with the ring anfter a hiatus, trying to match speed with Booker T and not being prepared to work tonight. Why wasn't he given time to get back into ring shape with house shows or dark matches? An injury like this should not have taken place on live television and is an example of Gerwitz's hotshotting and lack of preparation apparently. I realize that a bicep injury doesn't require the same preperation for a return like Benoit, Austin or Triple H. It was a freak accident but to say he could have tripped over something and had the same injury is wrong. The injury was related to him not being ready to work. He grabbed his knee stepping over the rope on the tag so it was obvioulsy bothering him. He twisted from the momentum of his boot to Booker, stepped over him and his knee buckled. Yeah, it could have happend on something like a run in but it was wrestling activity that led to the injury. He wasn't just WALKING like so many of you say...
Guest Human Fly Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 If Nash didn't want to wrestle, he wouldn't have had to. X-Pac is proof of that. Even if they MADE Nash go out there, if he was really concerned he would've stayed on the apron the whole time. {SPECULATION WARNING!!!!} I wouldn't be surprised if X-Pac was the one who was the one who started giving heat to Gerwitz. He and Gerwitz have had heat for a while, and it sounds like something he would do.
Guest Sakura Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 "special prequations"? "preperation"? "being unfamiliar with the ring"? If he was notified a minute before the promo and he told the writer his knee was hurting him and he needed a few more days I would think about agreeing, but this stuff is just asinine.
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 If Nash didn't want to wrestle, he wouldn't have had to. X-Pac is proof of that. Even if they MADE Nash go out there, if he was really concerned he would've stayed on the apron the whole time. {SPECULATION WARNING!!!!} I wouldn't be surprised if X-Pac was the one who was the one who started giving heat to Gerwitz. He and Gerwitz have had heat for a while, and it sounds like something he would do. Oh boy... ::::: quickly puts on flame retardant suit ::::::
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 soooooooo.... if Nash had the proper notification and plenty of time to prepare.... he wouldn't have tripped? interesting.
Guest justcoz Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 HE DIDN'T TRIP!!!!! He fell in pain. I still think it looked like his knee but they are saying quad. You don't injure your quad by tripping. The injury was the result of an already bad knee, ring rust and not being conditioned to perform after a layoff. Listen, you can say my talk about 'preparation', 'ring rust', 'not being familiar with the ring after a layoff' is assinine because we are talking about Kevin Nash here. Fine. Bottom line is that someone's first match back after close to a 4 month layoff shouldn't be a televised main event that they just found out they'd be participating in when they showed up at the arena. Much like Tough Enough winners shouldn't be competing regularly on television weeks after they won the competition. It has nothing to do with the nature of the injury, yes, Nash was out with a bicep tear. The key word here is "out". As in not working and not being in ring shape.
Guest creativename Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 "special prequations"? "preperation"? "being unfamiliar with the ring"? If he was notified a minute before the promo and he told the writer his knee was hurting him and he needed a few more days I would think about agreeing, but this stuff is just asinine. I completely agree. It looks as if Gerwitz will be the fall guy for this. He is going to get blamed by the rest of the management it seems. I feel horrible for the guy. "You don't injure your quad by tripping." Funny, I could have sworn that's exactly what he did. It's just the curse of the "infamous step" striking the Klik yet again. Ring rust, not being prepared, or whatever else has absolutely nothing to do with a freak incident of this type. I'd just like to add that I am extremely happy that other people also realize this. When I first read the news about Gerwitz on 1wrestling.com, I was afraid that he'd be bashed by everyone on the 'net too. It's good to know that people on the 'net have the wisdom that they do
Guest MrRant Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 I don't like his style of booking so fire his ass.
Guest evenflowDDT Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 I don't understand this. If he is cleared, he is cleared. He shouldn't need a week's notice or whatever. He should be fine. It's not like he was booked to do a huge bump that involves his knee. It wasn't even his knee that was injured in the first place. He hurt himself walking around. How is that anyone's fault? WTF? Does he need a week to get down the mental preperations for walking around or jumping over people? Does he need a week to "warm up" for the grueling task of walking around and jumping over Booker? This is all silly. It was a freak accident that could have happened on any day after returning. I don't usually agree with you Sakura, but I think you're right on the ball with this one. Accidents happen, although it does seem as if Gerwitz would make the "perfect scapegoat" in this case.
Guest LesnarLunatic Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 Keep Gerwitz for Booker and Goldust. Make somebody new the writer for RAW.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 I find it hard to believe that Nash tears his quad and people want a writer to be fired because of it. If you were to cite something like poor writing as a reason to fire a writer, you might have a leg to stand on (no pun intended). Austin walked out because of the poor writing, we know that already. Gerwitz shouldn't be fired over that though. If you want to blame anyone for that, you should point your fingers at JR. He's in charge of talent relations and all that other stuff.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 9, 2002 Report Posted July 9, 2002 If you want to blame anyone for that, you should point your fingers at JR. He's in charge of talent relations and all that other stuff. One could blame JR, Gerwitz, or the Road Agents. It's all unimportant. I think what happened is Nash Screwed Up. If he felt he couldn't work, he'd throw one of his drama political games and get himself out of working. The only way Nash could possibly not be responsible is if Vince himself wanted him working out there right away. There was that shoot-style comment a few weeks ago, but I figured it was only to excite Smarks and nothing else. If THAT's what happened, then it's possible the WWE may have screwed up both Outsiders (since putting Hall in an Austin beerbath feud was a bonehead idea as well.) Again, it's all speculation. All we know is that Nash crashed and fell because he's not as mobile as he used to be.
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