That's it!

[Guest thebigjig]

I've defended the guy countless times... mainly because, as a child I was a HUGE hulkamaniac. Hell, I still have a few posters of him in my room for the sake of memories. When he came back to the WWE, I marked out... at WM, I marked out at the crowd's reaction to him. I've always kept an open mind, although I must admit, I was being somewhat naive about the guy

 

Watching Confidential last night, I realized what Hogan's true colors really were. I know that that interview didn't come as a shock to many of you, and it really didn't come as a shock to me, but it did make me finally agree with most of you. Hogan is a worthless piece of shit

 

I hate hypocrits. Always have, even though everyone has the tendancy to be one at times. But I realized just how hypocritical he was when that old bastard was talking about how he didn't understand the rationale in hiring Bret Hart and paying him that much money.

 

Hogan: (not word for word obviously but this is what he meant) I mean, you look at someone like me... selling out the Pontiac Silverdome, main eventing WM's blah blah blah... but you look at Bret. What did he do? I just don't understand the reasoning in catering to him like that

 

What did Bret do? How about carry the fucking company on his back?

 

I'm not defending Bret on what he did around the time of Survivor Series. We all have our opinions on that, and mine is still the same... he was wrong. But I won't deny how valuable Bret was to the WWF and I still respect him more than anyone because unlike the WWF, he's never sold out to himself, which is evident when he turned down the WM appearance.

 

How the fuck can Hulk Hogan not justify the reasoning in paying Bret a ridiculous sum when his Hogan got his bastard worthless friends like Ed Leslie hired and also payed a ridiculous sum?

 

It's funny how the WWF tried to pin the entire demise of WCW on Bret Hart when in reality, the demise came about due to not only mismanagment but bastards like Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash. The WWE won't admit this because they're on the payroll... and it disgusts me.

[Guest bob_barron]

IT'S MACDONALD.

 

NOT MCDONALD.

[Guest thebigjig]

IT'S MACDONALD.

 

NOT MCDONALD.

lol my apologies... simple typo

[Guest bob_barron]

It's alright...

 

Anywho-

 

Hogan did come off as a major asshole last night. I think the guy, like Bret, is a huge mark for himself and thinks he's the greatest thing ever

[Guest thebigjig]

Of course he's a mark for himself... of course, if I had become that big in the business, I would probably be a mark for myself too.

 

The thing is, Bret seems to have let the entire screwjob thing go... in interviews lately, before the accident, he rarely mentioned it at all, only if he was asked about it, and even then he wouldn't really blast the WWE... it's like he came to grips with it and had become less bitter about the situation

 

Yet the WWE is still milking it by bringing it up at every corner... changing facts, distorting history etc. The sad thing is, they're taking cheap shots at him while he's half paralyzed in a hospital bed, which is low. I almost threw something at the tv the other night when Shawn mentioned his name

[Guest bob_barron]

I agree-

Bret has put it behind him and even made up with Davey Boy before his death and I think its wrong for Vince to keep exploiting.

 

I mean yea Vnce you got the upper hand, you won, he lost- LET IT GO.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Vince is just still pissed coz Bret knocked his ass out

[Guest Lei Tong]

Hogan really rubbed me the wrong way last night. I guess it would be too hard for him to have some kind words for a legend who recently suffered a stroke....

[Guest thebigjig]

Yeah... and to think, Bret recently dedicated an entire Calgary sun editorial to Hogan, with nothing but praise

 

I just remembered that

[Guest razazteca]

well I shall play devils advocate:

 

Hogan did nWo in WCW

Hart hit Goldberg with a hidden metal plate in his chest blocking the spear

Hart vs Sting was boring

 

in WWF Hart did as much as Hogan if not more

was in WM 9,10,12,13

put over HBK and Steve Austin

 

Hogan jobbed cleaned to Goldberg on Nitro

[Guest BionicRedneck]

well I shall play devils advocate:

 

Hogan did nWo in WCW

Hart hit Goldberg with a hidden metal plate in his chest blocking the spear

Hart vs Sting was boring

 

in WWF Hart did as much as Hogan if not more

was in WM 9,10,12,13

put over HBK and Steve Austin

 

Hogan jobbed cleaned to Goldberg on Nitro

more to add:

 

Bret was an awesome wrestler

 

Hogan was a selfish pile of shit, both in and out of the ring

[Guest thebigjig]

But here's another point to add. The WCW COULD HAVE USED Bret more effectively. They paid him all that money, and they pretty much did nothing with him.

[Guest bob_barron]

Hogan is more famous and probably a bigger draw than Bret but his comments were inexcuseable.

 

Big Show at least was honest. He basically said they did overpay Bret but it was WCW's fault for agreeing to Bret's asking price

[Guest thebigjig]

Hogan is more famous and probably a bigger draw than Bret but his comments were inexcuseable.

 

Big Show at least was honest. He basically said they did overpay Bret but it was WCW's fault for agreeing to Bret's asking price

And in the process they make Bret seem like a greedy bastard, when everyone knows that Bret wanted to stay in the WWF for a lesser amount of money. He just wanted stability

[Guest Trivia247]

Boy just too rabid against Hulk of Chunkster

 

Fact was it was a story on Eric Bischoff, and Hogan is a longtime Bischoff friend and on a WWE Confidential show, he decided to say oh its not all Bischoff's fault that WCW went down. You gotta admit if the Size of Bret's Contract was so vast just for him to jump ship, that should send waves in their roster and give the bank people headaches.

 

But Hogan too was offered the large paychecks as well as most everyone else who crossed to WCW during the mass exodus in 93-94

 

but that old saying the Victors of Wars are the ones who tell the story and document The histories. WWE Bischoff and anyone else in there is telling their side of the story.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

If I were to pick Hogan or Bret Hart, I would pick Hogan. However, this just shocks me to see Hogan say something like this. I always thought Hogan wasn't like this. Boy, I was wrong. Bret Hart paid his dues, and so did Hogan. Bret Hart also helped put over HBK and Austin, which Hogan never did. Hogan, though, is a more popular superstar than Bret Hart, but that's even too close to call. I really wish that Bret Hart could wrestle, then, we could see him in the WWE, and a Bret Hart vs. Hogan match. Also, it's the WWE who keep on bringing up the Survivor Series '97 screwjob. Bret Hart has put it behind him, and he rarely talks about it, even when the WWE or anyone else asks him about it.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Man, this sucks. I mean, of course he in ring work sucks major balls, but I had nothing but praise for Hogan since he started jobbing all the time. But this... man... Does Hogan like making rooting for him difficult?

[Guest Ram]

Um, I watched Confidential last night, and I think you heard wrong or something.

 

Hogan meant they were on equal ground as legends. But he felt cheated that Hart was making twice as much money as him.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

Hogan meant they were on equal ground as legends.  But he felt cheated that Hart was making twice as much money as him.

That sounds more like Hogan. I never did watch Confidential, so I don't know for sure what he said. However, I can see Hogan saying that without being shocked. If he said what I originally read, then I would be shocked.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Does Hogan like making rooting for him difficult?

Obviously, since i cant root for him

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Hogan said that Bret Hart didn't draw enough to warrant the $3 Million Dollar Contract WCW gave him. And he is right. Bret didn't headline the Silverdomes or Skydomes like Hogan did, or like Rock does, or like Austin did. Bret didn't bring in the millions of fans and dollars, he just kept the company afloat; which is in itself an accomplishment but not one that warrants a salary like that.

 

Hogan was 10x's the draw Hart was. Harts years on top 93-97 were the low periods for the Wwf. No matter how good the feuds or matches may have been, the Wwfs two big booms came from mainly two men, Hogan and Austin.

 

Hart had bigger success/popularity overseas as the Wwf became more 'internationally oriented' when business fizzled domestically. The foreign market was hot for it and that's how Bret got his 'world-wide popularity'. But in Harts time, buyrates rarely ever came above 1.0.

 

At that time (and even to this day) in the Wwf $3 million is outrageous. I don't think Austin or the Rock got paid that much; more revenue came through t-shirt sales and gates. The whole point of the segment was 'guaranteed contracts killed Wcw', and Bret Hart personified that (of course, guys like Nash, Hall, and Hogan did too...) But do you expect Hogan to say 'hey, I didn't say no to the contracts, I didn't care how the company was going or how the guys were treated, I got my money.' And he didn't DENY that, he just didn't mention it... But can you blame him? Professional suicide.

 

I would put the Bret Hart spin more on Vinces shoulders than Hogans. Even though Hogan has always thought of the Hitman as a lower positioned wrestler (why do you think he didn't job the title to him?) we all know the point of confidential is to make the Wwf look good and use a scape-goat for all the bad things. WCW died because DX and Bret Hart killed it...there you go.

 

The problems I had with Confidential did not lie with Bret Hart (and I am a big Bret Hart mark) but with the fact that they never dealt (and never do deal) with the CONTENT and QUALITY of WCWs programming which led their fans astray. Like making false promises, rushing angles, generally screwing the fans over and over and over again, presenting a stale product... You know, all the things the Wwf are doing.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

that is the best little lie that they could up with. DX killed WCW. Riiiiiiiiight!

[Guest mister foozel]

I think you took what Hogan said the wrong way, and I also feel anybody who didn't see Confidential last night should shut the hell up and not reply to this post...you know who you are...

 

People in the backstage of wCw were very jealous of Hart's huge 3 and 4 million dollar contracts or whatever they were. I for one don't think they tried to blame everything on Bret Hart, Bischoff was getting a LOT of Heat for it, and what I got out of the whole little mini-documentary of WCW's demise was that when AOL/Time Warner merged in with Turner THAT hurt WCW the most, along with the stuff RavishingRickRudo said.

 

We heard it countless times: the paychecks being handed out in WCW were totally ridiculous and wrestlers ran rampant in that organization. Hart was brought over, being payed a lot more than them, and not doing anything, that was Hogan's argument. He said he should have been getting 50 and 60 million dollars because he actually was doing something in WCW.

 

The fact that Hart was not used well but paid so much money was WCW's fault, not Hart's.

 

WCW could have ended Vince Mcmahon if Hart was used properly. That's probably why he got so much money.

 

Big Show and Jericho both also said themselves that they weren't getting paid dick but guys lower than them or guys that don't have as much airtime or WHATEVER got paid much more.

 

WCW was a crappily run company and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it on Confidential.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Well there is a lil bit of validity to that. The 'DX invades Nitro' eps. (04/27/98) drew a 5.71 rating (the Wwfs first 5+ - a month earlier they were drawing straight 3's) and from then on the Wwf took over. However they conveniently forget to mention that Nitro was doing 3 hours of television a night and their storylines sucked.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I don't think the content and quality of WCW programming are worth discussing on Confidential though. Anyone who watched WCW could draw their own conclusions with respect to those issues because they were out there in the open for all to see. The backstage stuff is what was focused on, and is what should be focused on for Confidential.

[Guest Brian]

Well, they could have always handled Hart properly and that would have solved the problem.

[Guest thebigjig]

No no no no... what got on my nerves was that Hogan stated that he didn't feel paying Hart that much was justified... when Hogan himself had all of his buddies getting paid ridiculous sums of money as well.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hogan was getting paid more in WCW than Bret.

 

And yeah I agree, people who didn't see Confidential for themselves last night shouldn't be making judgements

[Guest Brian]

I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't...but than getting passed some of the luchadore's shares under the table.

[Guest thebigjig]

Hogan just came off really arrogant in my opinion. He said that his high salary was justified by "selling out the Pontiac Silverdome" and being such a huge draw, when everyone knows that when he signed with WCW in 94, he was no longer such a draw, which is why his original face run from 94-96 didn't produce such great numbers... his act was old. It was a novelty. Sure, he was "reborn" with his heel turn but even then, that only lasted a few years.

[Guest RickyB]

Actually Hogan was payed around 2 Million a year Guarrenteed, Bret was payed 3 Million a year Guarenteed.

 

I do believe that Bret was used the wrong way in WCW, and what Hogan said was right - Bret didn't do enough to deserve the big money contract. I say that as a Bret mark and as a Hogan mark. I honestly don't think Hogan took a personal shot at Bret, he just pointed out a fact. Many people in WCW thought Bret was overpaid, not as many thought Hogan was overpaid because the nWo angle (which Hogan was the focal point of) made WCW the number one promotion.

 

Oh, and Hogan did draw good numbers (for WCW at the time) in 1994-1996. BATB 94 was WCW's biggest drawing show (at that time) and WCW Nitro drew bigger numbers than anyone expected even before the nWo angle. People only look back and compare 94/95 to 96/97, 94 and 95 were a big step above from 92/93 and 95 was also WCW's first ever year of breaking even since the name change in 1991.