Guest Lord of The Curry Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 It may be me, but the WWE has done a muthafuckin' piss poor job of building up the ME at SummerSlam. Not only have they not had Heyman cut a promo on The Rock but Rock has not even mentioned Brock Lesnar. I understand that they're going for the psychological approach, with Brock watching Rock tap out and Brock attacking Hogan and such but guess what? IT SUCKS. The storyline should be that Brock will straight up destroy The Rock at SummerSlam. The WWE should have done Taker vs Lesnar if they wanted psychology. They didn't, so don't try and fuck with it when The Rock is involved. Brock Lesnar is not a mindgames kind of guy. He's a monster. He hurts people. Have his goal be the destruction of The Rock. Also, why in the fuck of all fucks wasn't The Rock on RAW or Smackdown this week? I don't give two shits if he's in Australia, I'm here in North America and I'm sure that if the WWE looked at PPV Buyrates, North America turns in over 80% of their PPV $, with Australia doing maybe 2% or so. I'll say this much, if we don't have a promo showdown between Brock and Heyman vs The Rock this week on Raw AND Smackdown, the ME of SummerSlam is officially down the crapper........
Guest Brian Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 They SHOULD have done RVD vs. Undertaker. It would have worked out much better. Brock vs. Taker would have bombed.
Guest CanadianChick Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I would like to answer your orginal question in why they aren't set in panic mode. The reason is becasue they don't see a problem. They think that what they are doing is right. They probably think (hopefully not though) that Lesner is over and the match will draw. why the Rock isn't on Raw or Smackdown, I don't get it either. WWE should have had the Austrailia thing last week, so it wouldn't be as close to the ppv.
Guest Lord of The Curry Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Brian- I would rather see RVD vs Taker too, my point was just that if they're trying to use psychology in the match, use Brock vs Taker. I don't expect Rock vs Brock to be all that great anyways. CanadianChick- Agreed. Having your champ not on both shows two weeks before your 2'nd biggest PPV of the year is inexcusable.
Guest Brian Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Brock vs. Undertaker would be a disaster. For one, Undertaker has no solidified status in his character. He's sort of a heel and sort of a face. Would they have to change him mid-title run? What about Brock, turn him in the middle of the build for his title match? Second, Brock the heel in any match doesn't have enough offense to control as a monster. Third, who bumps. Despite Undertaker being really motivated, neither has proven to go out for that much bumping. Fourth, do you really think either of these guys can carry the psychology of a match like that?
Guest Bricks Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Who does the WWE International Tour Planning? I mean, wasn't there like no World Champ Jericho for a whole week before Wrestlemania because he was in Japan?
Guest Downhome Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 They aren't in "panic mode" because WWE thought of RAW as a "homerun show". They will continue to fail to improve the product, untill they themselves realize that it is very much subpar. You can't break an addiction untill YOU realize you have a problem, just like WWE will not be able to move forward and get "better" untill THEY realize that shows like RAW is NOT a "home run"...PERIOD!
Guest Downhome Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 The main event for Summerslam should be Rocky Vs. Angle Vs. Benoit. I don't know about you, but I'd order that one. On the undercard, they could plug Brock Vs. Hogan, because really... ...do they need to give THAT away on free TV just like WCW did with Goldberg Vs. Hogan?
Guest Raven_Effect01 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 CanadianChick- Agreed. Having your champ not on both shows two weeks before your 2'nd biggest PPV of the year is inexcusable. Yeah, and it's bad enough that for the most part, Rock's usually busy with his movie schedule, which also takes away from his time being on the TV shows in the states.
Guest Austin3164life Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Lesnar versus the Rock is getting some poor buildup, and Brock has barely gained any heat from playing "mind games". But, like someone said earlier, Brock is not the kind of performer that uses mind psychology to get at their opponents. The powerful/monster type wrestler usually "let's his actions do the talking", not his mind. Wrestlers who should play mind games are guys like Kurt Angle, Benoit, Austin, Triple H (back when he was good), and Jericho. I think that the Main Event that would've made the most sense would be, you guessed it, RVD versus The Undertaker. They've had their battles before, and it would make sense if RVD and Taker went at it for the biggest prize on the second biggest pay per view. They could build their "subtle" history up like a month before Summerslam, with Undertaker playing the heel mind games and attacking RVD. If I, and many other smarks, can realize that a storyline of that nature would work and the WWF can't, then there's a problem.
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Uh, I think the weird buildup is "Who trains better? Rock or Brock?" Who gives a damn who trains better? Its sort of like Foot Locker wants the WWE to show the two working out in the newest Athletic Shoes, available at Foot Locker, so you can go buy the shoes that Rock and Brock wear when they train.
Guest DJ Jeff Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I must be the only one looking forward to seeing Lesnar vs. the Rock. I'd much rather this match over Lesnar vs. the Undertaker, that's for sure. However, an RVD vs. the Undertaker match would be better. The Rock vs. Angle vs. Benoit would be alright, but not as good as Lesnar vs. the Rock in my opinion.
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Brock vs Rock will be 8-10 minutes long. It can't go any longer cause Brock blows up after about 6 minutes. Actually, it can go longer, with interference... Brock was out of breath after a silly run in on Smackdown last week when he was backstage talking to Angle and Hogan.
Guest the pinjockey Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 The Rock vs. Angle vs. Benoit would be alright, but not as good as Lesnar vs. the Rock in my opinion. Brock-Rock is going to have so much overbooking it is going to be ridiculous due to the fact Brock was blown up after three minutes of wrestling Mark Henry. I am wondering what the last match on the card is going to be. Are they going to have HHH-HBK main event.
Guest DJ Jeff Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Ever since HHH vs. HBK was added to the SummerSlam card, I just realized that will be the main event. The Rock© vs. Lesnar will be the second last match, and it's going to go at least 15 minutes. Heyman will probably interfere and help Lesnar win the WWE Undisputed Title. Either that, or Lesnar will tell Heyman to stay backstage, and he'll actually win the WWE Undisputed Title on his own, which is what I'm hoping happens.
Guest Lord of The Curry Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 One thing that Rock vs Brock will have that is guaranteed to bring the match down in quality is the ridiculous amount of over-selling both are known for. Brock will hit a punch, Rock will go flying out of the ring. Rock hits a punch, Brock will go flying out of the ring. I am, however, eager to see what kind of sell The Rock has in mind for the F5. I personally would like to see him flip around and stumble his way up the stage to the top of the set, where he lights himself on fire and jumps into a pool of gasoline.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Just because I say so... the Main Event of Summerslam should be Angle making whoever holds the title tap. The WWE has to capitalize on how big a star Kurt Angle can be. And he can deliver in the ring. I have NO interest in Rock vs. Brock for the title. And as soon as Lesnar wins...no one else will care about the title either. I ordered MAnia despite the shit card...but I'm not ordering this unless they find a way to give me Benoit vs. RVD. That combined with Flair vs. Jericho and Angle vs. Misterio will make me part with my 35 bucks. Hmmm... Top two matches blow... Undercard could be good. Same thing since Backlash. Who says this isn't WCW?
Guest CanadianChick Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Angle vs. Misterio Is that a spoiler?
Guest Flyboy Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Angle vs. Misterio Is that a spoiler? Somewhat... *gasps* A mod posting spoilers... BAN! BAN! BAN!
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 hmm... I don't know... It was never actually announced anywhere...if that's what you mean. It's not like you'll tune in on Smackdown and they'll say Misterio vs. Angle...or anything... sigh... I fucked up.
Guest Flyboy Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 *starts a "You Fucked Up!" chant at bps* Just edit your post...
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 It wouldn't make a difference now that two people have quoted it
Guest Just call me Dan Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 This has been the worst buildup for a PPV since.... well the last few big PPV main events. Rock/Austin was absolutely atrocious. But, they ahd the star power to back it up. HHH/Jericho was ridiculous as well, and hey it didn't deliver. Pissed a lot of people off. Austin/Angle for SS last year was done really well and I'd call it the last great fedu (Rock/Jericho too) This Summerslam Main Event almost exactly resembles this years Wrestlemania main event. you have a solid worker and a decent choice for champion (Rock/Jericho) Versus an unover not-so-great in the ring talent the WWE rams down our throats and gives the title to for no apparent reason (Trips/Brock).
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Hmm. I thought that Hogan vs Angle would be a sure thing for Summerslam myself..
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 It could be. Like I said...there was no confirmation on what I said.
Guest Flyboy Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Yeah... just speculation really. Damn.. it's what.. 3 weeks before Summerslam and we only know one match so far? *sigh*
Guest Lord of The Curry Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 If they do go w/ Angle vs Mysterio, it's going to be a Catch 22. Will it be a great match? Probably. Then again, Mysterio is not 1997 Mysterio and Angle is not 1997 Eddy Guerrero so I don't expect a classic. Also, nobody can benefit from that match. If Angle jobs, he's buried. If Rey jobs, his initial push is dead. What I would like to see is Angle have a confrontation with Lesnar before the match with Rey, which leads to Lesnar coming out, destroying Rey and getting Angle dq'd. Then in the ME, after Brock has taken out The Rock and won the title, Angle comes down and puts Lesnar in the ankle lock and makes him tap. It sets up a feud for the fall and aids in the Angle face turn, which is in jeopardy now that The Un-Americans are on RAW.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I'm glad the un-americans are on Raw. If they are to turn ANgle face (which they should do IMO) I don't want to see the catalyst be pro-Americana again. They need to establish Angle as a face on his own...without the over used patriotism angle. He has the talent, charisma and mic skills to be a good face, I think...he just hasn't had a good shot at it.
Guest AndrewTS Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I'm glad the un-americans are on Raw. If they are to turn ANgle face (which they should do IMO) I don't want to see the catalyst be pro-Americana again. They need to establish Angle as a face on his own...without the over used patriotism angle. He has the talent, charisma and mic skills to be a good face, I think...he just hasn't had a good shot at it. Me and a friend of mine had a theory that that could be why they moved the UnAmericans to Raw. And yeah...Angle could make a great face, but as it already has been said, they need to first free him of the "You suck!" chants.
Guest jester Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I'm glad the un-americans are on Raw. If they are to turn ANgle face (which they should do IMO) I don't want to see the catalyst be pro-Americana again. They need to establish Angle as a face on his own...without the over used patriotism angle. He has the talent, charisma and mic skills to be a good face, I think...he just hasn't had a good shot at it. Me and a friend of mine had a theory that that could be why they moved the UnAmericans to Raw. And yeah...Angle could make a great face, but as it already has been said, they need to first free him of the "You suck!" chants. I love Angle's music, but they're going to have to change it. Too easy to chant "You suck" to. It's going to be harder to cure than the What? chants.
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