Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Dare I say it, but could it be that, for the first time since his injury in 2001, HHH could be a very welcome and profitable addition to the WWE? That's not to say that he isn't profitable now, but I think most people can agree that HHH may have been the most borring babyface in the history of borring babyfaces. I'm quite curious to see if some of the more umm... "passionate" detractors of Mr. Helmsley are excited about this recent turn of events, or still want him to burn in eternal damnation. After all, as many of said detractors will point out, this comes no more than two weeks after the return of Chris Jericho to Raw, and pretty much cuts off whatever chances the guy had of becoming top heel on the show. Is Jericho once again a Conspiracy Victim, or is this simply a fresh step in the right direction for Raw?
Guest massivHEDtrauma Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 If HHH is gonna be on the show at all, I'd much rather he be a heel than a face (especially since his heel character is also, inexplicably, such an improved wrestler!). It may lessen Jericho's chances of being a top heel, but I see this as better than if Jericho were a face. I mean, at least there's no chance that he can get into a program with HHH, in which case I would be furious when the time came for Jericho to take a sledgehammer shot to the head and lose in under two minutes because The Game is so INTENSE~! Here's hoping that Jericho doesn't turn face anytime soon. Here's also hoping that HHH can keep the weight off-uh, because he's a much better wrestler-uh without it-uh.
Guest Dangerous A Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I wouldn't file the HHH turn as a slap to Jericho. If HHH as a heel is the way to go for better business, then so be it. I don't think Jericho as a heel could be better than HHH as a heel. It's just the way it is. I don't see a Hunter resurgence on this particular board. Too many people hate the man so much and get so worked up over it, that they'll never get turned back, no matter what. As far as fans go, they may start to give HHH the heat (heel version) that can translate to good business. The good thing is he's back heel, where he draws best. Problem is no one is drawing like 2000-2001 right now.
Guest Quik Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Ah-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! **Stops, inhales** AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hunter resurgence? Bullshit, he still can't wrestle. We're just gonna get 20 minute heel opening interviews, and 10 minute squash matches where he continues to go over. Same shit, different persona. No, Jericho wasn't a conspiracy victim. He "jumped ship" the same Raw when Shawn was Jannetty-fied, and unless someone else was gona be behind it (which I doubt), Hunter's heel turn was in the wings all along.
Guest Flyboy Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 If Hunter is heel and starts to break out good matches, I'd like the guy. I'd have to disagree with saying Jericho can't be a better heel than Hunter... Jericho's heel run in WCW was gold. And, damned good at that.
Guest TestKick Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Jericho played a much, much better heel than HHH. I was a fan of HHH's ringwork in 2000, but he has always been boring on the mic. HHH's character as the heel that never lost, and was smarter than everyone... credit goes to the writers for that. HHH is simply a poor actor, and entertainer. Jericho was extremely funny and entertaining in WCW... and was putting on great matches every month. Even his heel run earlier this year was better than Hunter's boring 20-minute yap sessions.
Guest Quik Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Say, when did Trips first debut the sledgehammer? I hate that thing... shots to the side with a sledgehammer shatter your ribs and put you out for a while, they don't put you down for a 3 count and next week's show.
Guest Dangerous A Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I agree that HHH's promos go on for entirely too long, but I like him because he goes straight up with his heelness. While I think Jericho's heel run in WCW and Angle's heelness are awesome, they get cute. They try to be funny. And they are funny. But that's what separates HHH from them. He doesn't get funny because he wants the boos. He should cut the promo time down considerably, but I don't mind if he stays the same grunting guy. You can't have everyone being cute. The 20 minute yap sessions are a relic from the Russo template. The same template the writers are using now, which is a problem. What was working 4 years ago isn't working now. They need to come up with something a little more original. I can't stand 20 minute yap sessions from anyone. Not Rock. Not Austin. Not Jericho. They should wipe the template clean and have written in it's place, "Shut the fuck up and wrestle already!"
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Hunter resurgence? Bullshit, he still can't wrestle. We're just gonna get 20 minute heel opening interviews, and 10 minute squash matches where he continues to go over. Same shit, different persona. No, Jericho wasn't a conspiracy victim. He "jumped ship" the same Raw when Shawn was Jannetty-fied, and unless someone else was gona be behind it (which I doubt), Hunter's heel turn was in the wings all along. As I think many have already pointed out, HHH is much better at playing a heel than a face, both in the ring and on the microphone. While I doubt we'll be seeing any **** matches out of Mr. Helmley, I'm of the opinion that he's currently usefull enough to get the usual guys to get off his back. The main gripe I had with HHH as a face was that he was really, really borring, and now that he's back to his monster heel character that worked so well in 2000, I can tollerate him, even if he's not busting out the God-like performances like he used to back then. And you're missing the point of my comment on Jericho. With this heel-turn, many guys who may have been given a fair shake at dominating the show are now going to be, more likely than not, relegated to lesser roles. Team Canada will most likely become his part-time lackies (a la, Radicalz in both of their runs as a stable) and Jericho probably won't get enough steam from the Flair feud to touch HHH's spot. I'm merely trying to look at both sides of the coin here, and keep an open mind something you seem hell-bent against, if you don't mind my saying so.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 First I remember seeing it was when he clobbered Mankind with it in Spring 1999, and put him out until right before Summerslam.
Guest Austin3164life Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Well, Triple H has lost a little weight, his promos have improved just a bit more. I'm all for a Triple H resurgence, because then that would shut 95% of this forum up (or maybe not). I just hope that Triple H and The Rock have a nice main event this Monday. This is Triple H's test to see if he can be the awesome top heel he once was. There will be doubters and there are believers. We'll see how events unfold Monday night.
Guest chirs3 Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Heel Hunter = goodness. But, and this is not the HHHater in me saying this, I don't want him anywhere near the title. I think he'd fit better as the RAW monster heel, not the WWE monster heel.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Say, when did Trips first debut the sledgehammer? Some time in his initial heel-push in '99 as part of his run with the corperation. The first time I remember seeing it was when he locked Rocky in a casket and just demolished the thing with it. Granted, it was a totally safe-guarded sequence, but still, I remember being shocked by it. I have to agree, though, the sledge hammer got quite annoying after a while.
Guest Dangerous A Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I'd love for HHH to have a good match with Rock on monday. Hell, I wish everyone can just have good matches period. AustinHHH4Life, you are right, there are believers (you and I) and doubters. If he can have a good match here and at SS, some may come around. But there are others that have either gone off the deep end or others that have hated him since day one and aren't warming up to him anytime soon.(alfdogg, right?) The ones who have gone off the deep end won't come back because A) it's too-uh much fun-uh making fun of the Game-uh and B)Will hold him up for his backstage shenanigans, which in this day and age are completely unfogiveable and punishable by death to your first born.
Guest CanadianChick Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I think that Monday will be somewhat a test for HHH. It will be interesting to see how he does in a one on one match. After watching this match, I think that we will have a better idea how HBK vs. HHH will be.
Guest Flyboy Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I'm a HHHater, but if Hunter gets back into swing and start to actually entertain me I'd liked the guy again.
Guest Quik Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Can I join the RVD/Storm Revolution? You're using my RVD smiley, after all
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I may be stating the obvious here (shit, I know I am) but I think it's safe to say that there are some people who will just never like Triple H. I remember in 2000-01, when he was having great matches on EVERY Pay Per View, there were still guys who knocked him constantly for every possible offense, including his relationship with the MchMahons and especially how he went over at Wrestlemania 16. And that was back when he was a justifiable draw, too.
Guest Big McLargeHuge Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I may be stating the obvious here (shit, I know I am) but I think it's safe to say that there are some people who will just never like Triple H. I remember in 2000-01, when he was having great matches on EVERY Pay Per View, there were still guys who knocked him constantly for every possible offense, including his relationship with the MchMahons and especially how he went over at Wrestlemania 16. And that was back when he was a justifiable draw, too. You can lump me into that group. I'm just kind of indifferent to him. Never saw anything in him that made him so great. I hated him getting more credit than Rock or Foley. He blades and does the 'run to the corner and fly over the top rope' and all of a sudden he's God. What am I saying???? HHH is God! I almost lost it there. This post is all Jericho's fault.
Guest Shaved Bear Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 wow, well HHH is the same character as a Face HHH, only he is picking on someone the crowd likes
Guest SlowChemical6 Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I don't think I'll ever be a HHH mark again after all of the bullshit that he's pulled over the past 2 years...and will probably continue to pull in the future. Last time I checked, he still hasn't proven himself in the ring. If a heel turn and getting off the roids improves his match quality, then I'll be a fan of his matches, but not him.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 Past two years? He's only been back eight months, bud. Two years ago he was still having great matches with pretty much everyone. I don't see how the hell HHH ever got more credit than Foley. Pretty much everyone credits him for making HHH a star and basically saving his career by putting him over.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 You could make a case that the HHH bullshit has been going on for 3 years now...what with the stories of Jericho being too stiff with HHH's girlfriend Chyna, resulting in Jericho depush #1 all the way back in late 99/early 2000. If HHH gets better in the ring, then great. But I hope this time...maybe at least once (and not just putting over his non-wrestler friend HBK) he'll actually lose a blowoff. He just never does, face or heel.
Guest MrRant Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 At least I will be able to enjoy it since I have never HHH-Hated. I am actually really looking forward to Rock vs. HHH.
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I kinda hope that he might be able to put up some good matches, but I seriously doubt that Summerslam is going to be a good starting point.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 You could make a case that the HHH bullshit has been going on for 3 years now...what with the stories of Jericho being too stiff with HHH's girlfriend Chyna, resulting in Jericho depush #1 all the way back in late 99/early 2000. If HHH gets better in the ring, then great. But I hope this time...maybe at least once (and not just putting over his non-wrestler friend HBK) he'll actually lose a blowoff. He just never does, face or heel. Technically, it's always been going on. I mean, the Owen program, and then the whole DX takes over thing, I mean HHH really has never lost a blow-off, like, ever. Now the HHH minus the Kliq bullshit has been going on for about three years, correct. However, back then I feel it was justified (to a point) because he was still doing good business. I'm of the opinion that it was RIGHT to put him over as Wrestlemania 16, as there was no logical reason for him to lose at that point, since Foley was retiring and didn't need the win, and the feud with Rock still had plenty of life left in it. Anyway, I doubt he jobs to HBK. This is just an obligatory "HHH takes out legend" feud to re-establish him as a heel. If this doesn't do the trick, I'm sure he can always take out Flair when Jericho is done with him.
Guest Big McLargeHuge Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 So am I. It has to be awesome. In fact I was stoked during the Rock/HHH promo on RAW. It was like the good ol' days.
Guest AndrewTS Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 I may be stating the obvious here (shit, I know I am) but I think it's safe to say that there are some people who will just never like Triple H. I remember in 2000-01, when he was having great matches on EVERY Pay Per View, there were still guys who knocked him constantly for every possible offense, including his relationship with the MchMahons and especially how he went over at Wrestlemania 16. And that was back when he was a justifiable draw, too. That wasn't me. Jericho-HHH in the HIAC sealed it for me and made me HHHater.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 17, 2002 Report Posted August 17, 2002 To be honest...I still don't really care about his backstage stuff. I care about his failure to deliver in the ring. He starts delivering, I stop hating. It's always been that simple.
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