Guest BaldFish Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Let's face it. To be a main-eventer, you have to have a certain look, a certain physical size, or a certain personality. While I LOVE Eddie, I just don't think he's got what it takes to be a champ, not in his current incarnation. I think that without a total overhaul and a miracle, the highest he'll ever go on the ladder is where Benoit is right now: a fairly over heel who can credibly main once or twice, here or there, but really is best at making others look like a million dollars. Is that fair? No. But really, I just don't ever see them putting the belt on him. I think he's one of the best workers in the company, but I'd put the top belt on Edge, RVD, Batista, Benoit, Angle, or Kane before I'd put the top belt on Eddie. I just have trouble believing he'd draw as a champ. And that really sucks. To get him over as a champ, he would have to TOTALLY repackage himself, which I just don't see happening. It's what Anglesault thinks has happened to Angle. The difference? Angle's got more character depth, with his changes in personality and, to some extent, gimmick. Eddie's character is just a one-dimensional sterotype. The only real building that's been done with Eddie Guerrero is to start tagging him with Chavo. So what would you do? How would you go about changing Eddie into a credible main-eventer? Is it even possible?
Guest Anglesault Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Eddy is triple screwed. First of all, he had his problems, and I don't know how willing Vince is to give the belt to him. Secondly, He's small. And lord knows them small guys can't be good. Third, he over shadows Brock on SD!, despite being misused, and you KNOW that infuriates Vince.
Guest BaldFish Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 He's also not a native WWE guy. Strike four.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 And a minority. I'm shocked he's as high as he is.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Eddy could be a marginal main eventer, but he will never be a top star.
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Sadly, you're probably correct. However: but I'd put the top belt on Edge, RVD, Batista, Benoit, Angle, or Kane before I'd put the top belt on Eddie. I just have trouble believing he'd draw as a champ Out of the guys you listed, the only guys I could see drawing as champ would be Angle, and probably RVD. Edge - not in his current form. Needs a serious character, and possibly a heel turn. Batista - I like him, but let's see how he performs in his upcoming push first. He's got an awesome look, though. Benoit - I *love* watching Benoit wrestle, but he won't draw as champ Kane - please. Never drew, and never will. Another guy who needs a serious makeover before he'd be believable as a champ.
Guest Olympic Slam Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 I don't want Eddie main eventing. I want him to continue to deliver amazing mid-card matches without having to deal with retarded soap opera non-sense associated with the main event. Just let the guy wrestle.
Guest BaldFish Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 I disagree categorically with you on Edge. Edge has the look, his psychology has gotten amazing, and he can pop the crowd. He certainly wouldn't be a failure. He just needs to change up his promo style a tad. His promo with Angle was great (the "shiny medals, shiny head" promo). I'd really like to see him add a signature highspot to seal the deal. Benoit just needs a decent storyline to get over. At the WWE house show, the biggest pops were for Kane and Big Show. As much as I hate to say it, people were on their feet for the big guys. Show's too lazy, though. I wouldn't be surprised if Kane drew decently--once again, if booked properly. I definitely don't think he needs to go over in the HHH match. It's pretty obvious they're just feeding Kane to HHH to build up to HHH/RVD--if HHH can't weasel his way out of it. But Eddie, though... he's like a talented Honky-Tonk Man. He can get the crowd pissed at him, but people aren't there to see HIM.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Marketability is the key there - and I think Eddie has more marketability than Bautista, I'll give you that much.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 . His promo with Angle was great (the "shiny medals, shiny head" promo). I'd really like to see him add a signature highspot to seal the deal. No, that was classic Edge "Belittle your opponent, make fun of him, and beat him" formula. he needs to dump that.
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 I see the look and charisma in Eddie. I see the mic skills. I see a guy who has a fairly credible offense and can shake it up. I could see Angle drawing but not big, Brock if they hadn't pushed him too early, Jericho if they hadn't screwed up, Benoit if they can figure out how to push him (it's not that hard), and Edge if he gets some sort of character development.
Guest BaldFish Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Right now, yes. I'm just saying that if I had a choice tomorrow as to who I was going to put in the path of the belt. Eddie just isn't really seen as anything BUT a comedy wrestler. Angle's at least had a serious run--his lengthy winning streak, his amazing rookie year, his brief hardass character with Austin. The only memorable thing about Eddie? He was that Radical who fucked Chyna. We all know that after Lesnar drops his belt (probably to Angle), Batista's going to be getting to the time where he'll be getting the RAW belt. Edge, Lesnar and Batista are what the WWE has selected as the future of the company. Angle and RVD will probably be around, but they won't be the focus. Sad, but true.
Guest BaldFish Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 No, that was classic Edge "Belittle your opponent, make fun of him, and beat him" formula. he needs to dump that. The first two parts are okay. At least he wasn't smirking or being silly about it. I don't think he should have gone over Angle cleanly, though. We should have at least gotten a Benoit chairshot. That booking at the end sucked, I'll give you that. But I get the feeling Angle was all too happy to put over Edge--they're good friends backstage, right? That's where all that "Team ECK" came from, isn't it?
Guest Anglesault Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Edge, Lesnar and Batista are what the WWE has selected as the future of the company. May God have mercy on our souls
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Eddie hasn't really gotten a serious push, which makes him fresh to the main event scene and is part of the reason I'd probably, if the chance came up, push him ahead of just about everyone else. Maybe Angle come first.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 No, that was classic Edge "Belittle your opponent, make fun of him, and beat him" formula. he needs to dump that. This is why Edge needs a heel turn. He gets a better reaction belittiling the crowd than he does belittling the opoonent. I remember when 60% of Edge & Christian's heel heat came from comments or skits regarding the local sports team. Of course, that's back when wrestling & sports were allowed to co-exist, instead of "Are you watching Monday Night Football? Yes? WELL STOP THAT!!!" I'd say Edge is the second most needed heel turn in WWE right now. I'd put The Rock at #1, as he has a much more severe case of the same problem.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Vince also wanted to push Ludvig Borga at one point, but that didn't make it the right decision. Just look at Randy Ortan right now. Eddy has more marketability as a top heel than any of those men, regardless of whether they want to acknoweldge that.
Guest BaldFish Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Eddie hasn't really gotten a serious push, which makes him fresh to the main event scene and is part of the reason I'd probably, if the chance came up, push him ahead of just about everyone else. Maybe Angle come first. You know, it would have rocked if we'd gotten Eddie/Austin. THAT was what he needed to get elevated: a feud with a tippety-top guy, and a win. AS: There are far worse guys that could be picked as the future of the WWE. None of those three looks to be another Taker/Hogan stiff. Edge is fast-moving, Lesnar is fast-moving and bumps like a madman, and Batista... well, I admit he's a dark horse. But LOOK at him. If they don't give him the Lesnar/Angle "rookie monster" push on RAW, then I don't know a damn thing about Vince McMahon. The few times we've seen him in the ring with D-Von, he's looked decent, though.
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 I disagree categorically with you on Edge. Edge has the look, his psychology has gotten amazing, and he can pop the crowd. He certainly wouldn't be a failure. He just needs to change up his promo style a tad. Look? Yes. Psychology? I'm not totally sold on it yet. He's benefitted from working almost exclusively w/ Angle & Eddy lately, so of course he's looked very good. His promo style needs to change more than "just a tad". He's yet to prove he can pull off a serious promo. Benoit just needs a decent storyline to get over. And better mic skills. Again, I *love* Benoit's work, and I can see him getting over, but I can't see him as a draw. At the WWE house show, the biggest pops were for Kane and Big Show. As much as I hate to say it, people were on their feet for the big guys. Show's too lazy, though. I wouldn't be surprised if Kane drew decently--once again, if booked properly. Rikishi gets awesome pops, too. But there's no way he'll be champ. Once again, Kane never drew. He's not very exciting in the ring. Are people going to suddenly say "Hey, I'll pay $50 because Kane's wrestling"?
Guest Human Fly Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 I've seen a couple posts where people have been saying that Eddie and Benoit couldn't draw. While that may be true (they've never really been given a chance). It's not like Brock or HHH is drawing anything right now. 411 had something about how No Mercy is having poor ticket sales right now. The Main Events with the star power of HHH, Kane, Brock, and Undertaker are the only matches they are pimping. Smackdown has had consistent ratings and is usually been beating Raw. It's not because of Brock (whose hardly been in the ME) it's because of Eddie, Angle, Benoit, Rey, and Edge. Let those guys have their chances it can't get worse and they are at least as over if not moreso then the current choices.
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Ehh, Benoit in the right few characters could work. And a guy with his calibre of work should get the benefit of the manager.
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Ehh, Benoit in the right few characters could work. And a guy with his calibre of work should get the benefit of the manager. Who currently in the WWE would you give him?
Guest BaldFish Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Another guy I forgot who would get the belt before Eddie: Rey Mysterio. He needs to get a totally clean win over someone big first, though. I would totally mark out if they put him over Brock for his first pinfall.
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Rey who Angle made a point of that he was too short than beat him. Rey needs the cruiserweight division, it would take a hell of a lot of work to condition fans to think Rey can win the title; and why not Eddie by then.
Guest benoitrules2000 Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 Arn F'n Anderson with his brillliant mic skills he could get benoit over as a monster heel of the submission variety.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 The Mcmahon Marketing Machine got people to believe that Chyna was attractive. I think they could make Eddie into a convincing main eventer. They just have to re-condition the fans to accept guys under 6'0 as champ. To do it, I would just make Angle the champ and have him feud with lil'er guys until it becomes common place. There ya go.
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 What they need to do, and what I think they're doing, is giving fans the impression that wrestling can work, as they've done for Brock, and they should be pimping more for Benoit/Angle.
Guest benoitrules2000 Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 I don't understand the "HOSS" mentality? Bret hart and shawn micheals are only just over 6 feet, and their the greatest drawing champions ever! I can honestly see guerrero and benoit having classic main event battles but whether the wwe could ever see that is another thing.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 What did Shawn and Bret Draw? I know Bret likes to Draw cartoons and Shawn likes to draw jesus fishies, but what else? I would LOVE for them to get Angle to 'go olympic' more. And STATE that whenever Angle goes to the mat, the opponent is fucked. And work the psychology of his matches that way - his sorta hulkin up They don't do that nearly enough.
Guest Brian Posted October 10, 2002 Report Posted October 10, 2002 They'll have to edit him being gassed afterwards and actually have him work the mat for longer portions.
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