Guest art_vandelay Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 First, I'd like to say that the current weekly string of **** matches on SmackDown! is something that has been unseen since the Austin/Benoit/Jericho string of great matches last year, and is truly a great period for great matches. With that said, last night I watched the Benoit/Angle/Rey/Edge rematch. Obviously the match was great, but I found myself yawn at times and feel generally not as excited about these guys anymore. These three teams have all faced eachother. Even as singles, they've almost all faced eachother. Is there anywhere left for this to go? It looks like we're getting a Benoit/Angle pairing, as well as Guerreros vs. Edge/Rey again. The matches are guaranteed to be great, but the excitement of wanting to watch them has lessened. Anyone else feel this way?
Guest the pinjockey Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I agree. I certainly had the been there done that feeling during that match. Granted I was still entertained and would take that 11 times out of 10 before watching Raw but I wasn't on the edge of my seat or anything.
Guest Ravenbomb Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I'm tellin' ya, Atlantis is the answer.
ChrisMWaters Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I think that's the major problem about the brand extension/roster split: Eventually, match repetitiveness occurs. One reason why I think it should end...so there's a wider range of opponents to face.
Guest razazteca Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Smackdown should have a War Games match of their own with these wrestlers..... Winner gets a shot at Brock
Guest AndrewTS Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I'm tellin' ya, Atlantis is the answer. I don't know the question, but hell ya! *click below*
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 The problem I have (and don't get me wrong, it's not like I want them to stop putting on great matches) is that they don't GROW. The 2/3 falls match was like the No Mercy match. The same spots, the same pace, the same everything - just in different order. Like the spot where Angle catches Reys foot, throws it down and Rey hits a spinning heel kick. Shouldn't Angle LEARN from the last time Rey did that and AVOID it? If they play on previous matches it wouldn't get repetitive.
Guest Brian Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 That's one of those problems I have with Angle, and it's largely a WWE thing, but that he fails to build off his previous matches.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 That is especially noticable in the Benoit/Angle series. Ok, they can counter each others holds... So... Why.... not... Get... NEW ONES!?!
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I'm tellin' ya, Atlantis is the answer. Atlantis?
Guest Trivia247 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 It is a Smark curse. We like our favorite moveset Workers. Masters of the ring going at it we dream about. The problem is though like many have said, they don't develope different attacks defenses or counters, they just rehearse the same style matches they had the week before. I believe that they should let the other wrestlers in the Mix. Even if they aren't as good as these five golden children, they still have to take on other people. Just to suspend the Disbelief that every wrestler is a Entertaining Sports Entertainer. if you have these same guys wrestle each other, then they can't help provide good matches to any other wrestler, and they themselves will get stale.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I would just like to see the matches evolve. If Angle wins with an olympic slam in one match, Benoit avoids it like the plague in the rematch and eventually develops a counter to it. If the Ankle lock and Crossface can be countered so well and become inaffective you try a new move. In the tag matches they should maybe let the faces control the match for the most part rather than having the face-in-peril in every single match. Make wrestling a lil more strategic and therefore interesting. It gives matches meaning rather than making them exhibitions.
Guest DJ Jeff Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 The matches are great, and I loved the 2/3 tag team match from Smackdown. Though, it is starting to get kinda boring watching these 6 superstars wrestle each other in different matches. It's not fully boring yet, and I'm hoping the WWE realizes that they can't keep giving us matches involving these 6 guys against each other very much longer, otherwise, it will get boring.
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 It doesnt bother me that much. Good matches are good matches..
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Good matches, independent of one another are good matches, these are a series of matches - they should be building on each and every match. They just seem interchangable now - if you've seen one, you've seen them all. I'd give the obligatory "Don't get me wrong, I love em" thing, but well, I just did
Guest RickyChosyu Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Standard by-product of Heyman booking. Instead of Tajiri, Crazy, and Lynn, it's Guererros, Benoit/Angle, and Edge/Mysterio. It starts out fun and exciting, but quickly becomes ultra-repetative. It does nothing to make the viewer care about any one of them over the other, and after only about a month's worth of TV, Heyman has once again burnt out all the combinations of these teams and is falling back on his "add stips to create drama" strategy to make them seem interesting. Great, you've proven they can beat each other in many a different setting; NOW DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. Continuing on what has already been said on the "building" aspect, the booking doesn't allow them to do that, even if they wanted to. Because the matches always end with interferance, you don't get the "they've all proven they can beat each other" vibe that Heyman appears to be going for. Instead, you get a "anyone can win if the odd men out decide to interfere on their behalf" vibe, which is just wussy cop-out booking at its worst. Good work without any true meaning always falls flat on its own.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 When was the last WWF feud to actually have it's matches build off another?
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I say, use Chavo as a single wrestler more. All we see is Angle vs. Edge, Benoit vs. Edge, Angle vs. Eddy, Edge vs. Eddy. Use Rey and Chavo in single matches more.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Rock/Jericho at least gave the impresion that they were learning from one-another. They at least tried to give the viewer the impression that "they've fought before, so now they have respect for each other's finishers" which was, if only on the surface, the type of idea you're mentioning.
Guest Special K Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Agreed. And I wish you would go back to your Lupin pic Choshyu. I love Lupin. THough I think Angle Benoit conveyed it better in their singles series.
Guest BA_Baracus Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 What...you're tired of watching 6 of the best wrestlers in the world go at it after about a month and a half? Okay...whatever. People on the net will bitch about anything...I guess regular 20 minute, 4 star matches on free TV isn't enough to satisfy anymore.
Guest goodhelmet Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 It doesnt bother me that much. Good matches are good matches.. i have to agree 100%!!! hell, would you rather have **** matches from the same 6 guys week in and week out or the sickening crap that couldn't even be labeled as wrestling that is thrown out on raw? give me the **** matches every single time.
Guest Nevermortal Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I'd say toss in Matt Hardy & Brock Lesnar to the mix of the "Super 6".
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would bitch about this, and then everyone would jump on the Band Wagon. Remember a few months ago when Rikishi and John Cena was into the mix and everyone cried Bloody Wolf? Only other people at this time that I would like to see get thrown into the "6 Pack" are Matt Hardy, Billy Kidman, Jamie Noble & Tajiri. Leave everyone else out. Maybe that was Vince's master plan to out "smart" the "Smarks?" Keep throwing the same Six Great workers against each other so they get bored and "Have" to enjoy the Lesnar/Big show feud?
Guest Brian Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Eddy did it with the Edge series, Jericho did it with the Rock, Austin with Angle.
Guest JericholicEdgeHead Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 You know wrestling is doomed when it's biggest fans complain about PPV quality matches on FREE tv! Just remember folks, it wasn't too long ago when we had to put up with Vince Russo 3 minute matches that usually ended with a run-in from another wrestler. Enjoy it while it lasts!! Of course I can remember when 90% of tv matches were squash matches, so I find the matches on Smackdown to be a treat!!
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 No brand extension = Edge & Rey vs. Jericho & Christian Guerreros vs. Booker & Goldust Maybe not ****, but certainly not repetitive.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 Spare me the "just enjoy it and stop thinking" arguement. Hate to be the odd man out, but I tend to enjoy using the matter in my skull to produce thoughts. Even if any of these matches were four stars (which is shaky, at best), if they aren't booked to mean anything or make the workers involved mean anything, the "good" wrestling isn't going to do anything for anyone. Throwing out pay-per-view quality matches on free TV shows an inability to build for the future and a disinterest in making any of the work beneficial to the long-term status of the show. It's Heyman By The Numbers and it's the reason that no one could be bothered to care about the Angle/Benoit feud after the first match at Wrestlemania last year, even if the matches were "great" on WWE standards. Good work - good booking = meaningless in three weeks.
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Posted November 9, 2002 Report Posted November 9, 2002 While I agree that the workers need to build off of each other, we ARE getting high-quality matches for free, and we ARE finally given a reason to give 2 shits about the company in any form.
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