Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Another post of boredom, so if you don't want to read my blabbing, then just skip ahead. You've been warned. After watching the Hulk Still Rules DVD...I can feel it. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan. The match of the biggest draws in Professional Wrestling History go one on one. Build it up like Warrior vs. Hogan from Mania 6. Build it up, face vs. face. 50% for Austin, 50% for Hogan. Have both guys come back at the Rumble. I can predict it: Around 15-20 guys in the Rumble, the buzzer goes off. And the glass shatters. Austin runs out and clears the ring. Austin sits up on the turnbuckle and waits for the next guy to come out. Cue "Real American". Hogan/Austin go face to face for whatever amount of time until they start going to blows and eventually they eliminate each other. Let's just hope...PRAY that: 1. No one is killed this time (Rock..Semi Trailer) and 2. NO HHH INVOLVED...PLEASE. Sure, the match will suck, but that didn't take away from Hogan/Rock in a lot of people's minds. And the match will draw. Okay, I'm done dreaming. Let's now look forward to a HHH babyface turn, him making a big "comeback" from whatever, then winning the title at Mania. I'm done rambling...but if this happens...you heard it from me 4 months before it does.
Guest bob_barron Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 This is how I book an ending to Austin v. Hogan- Hogan does the hulk up routine like always and then does the finger point thing he always does. Austin looks at him, flips him the double bird, KICK WHAM STUNNER. 1...2...3..
Guest Angle-plex Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 JR: Austin hits the Stunner! 1...2...Triple H has just Pedigreed both men! He's the real biggest draw in the history of the WWE! BAW GAWD!
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Or if Vince dies before Mania and Shane takes over... JR: ...what a big boot! You could hear the slap! 1...2...Test wins the WWE Title!
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Doesn't Austin have this policy he wrestles by where if he cannot have a decent match with the individual, then he won't wrestle them? I remember Austin turning down a match with Hogan earlier on this year for that very reason, because he couldn't have a good WRESTLING match with the Hulkster, and he went on to choose Eddie Guerrero to wrestle. We all know how that situation ended... Oh well...Hogan and Austin? Eh... It'll probably The WWE vs Triple H... And HHH will win.. Illusion
Guest Army Eye Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Seemed like a great match to do last year, didn't it. But now, if they wanted to do this, they shouldn't have jobbed out Hogan. Still could be a decent draw I guess.
Guest Dangerous A Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 If Vince runs with Austin vs Hogan on top for WM19, then the end could truly be here. Rock couldn't carry Hogan to a halfway decent match, so a rusty Austin would probrably not be able to carry the big lug either. My problem with Austin vs Hogan is one thing: it pops a buyrate, but creates ZERO stars in the process while giving us a bad match. Plus, face vs face is bad for business, even on a short term deal. Mania this year should focus on one thing: creating a money drawing main eventer. Running Austin vs Hogan does not do that, period.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Go watch the pre-X8 Raw. The one with Austin/Rock vs NWO. It's on "Back in Black" if you can rent that or something. Austin/Hogan go at it for only 30-45 seconds. And they completely suck the heat out of the place.
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin vs Hogan is one thing: it pops a buyrate, but creates ZERO stars in the process Does EVERYTHING have to be about 'creating new stars'? This is something i hate about Scott Keith too, after Summerslam all he did was BITCH about how no-one benefited from the HBK-HHH match. WHO THE FUCK CARES YOU IDIOT, it was a good match, we we're entertained, THAT'S WHY WE WATCH WRESTLING. Sure, the WWE needs to create and build on its talent, but not in every match. Illusion
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Mania this year should focus on one thing: creating a money drawing main eventer. I never once said have Hogan/Austin main event....just do it like they did with Rock/Hogan last year. Not the main event, but a big showcase match. And I have a feeling that's not gunna happen as far as a money drawing main eventer cause HHH will probably main event.
Guest creativename Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin-Hogan an Mania 19 wouldn't work, because it would be deja vu all over again. We just had Rock-Hogan at the last one, so people will be we already had the same basic match. WWE copies it's own ideas way too much already, but this is just too blatant; not as many people will shell out to see it as they would have. I'm not saying it isn't still a big draw, just that it isn't humongous. Austin-Hogan, which I think could have been much bigger than Rock-Hogan had it happened first, should now happen at SummerSlam, not Mania. Or maybe at Mania XX, if Hogan is still around (god forbid), to refresh the concept. My ideal scenario for 19 would still be a face vs. face double retirement Hogan-Flair match; both men retire regardless of outcome. But I find this extremely unlikely, especially since I get the feeling both men might hang around for a while after Mania anyway.
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin/Hogan go at it for only 30-45 seconds. And they completely suck the heat out of the place. I have it on DVD and you can blame Kevin Nash for that match sucking. And there was no buildup to the Hogan/Austin showdown cause the point was for a Rock/Hogan showdown. Watch when Rock/Hogan face off, the crowd gets hot. And you really can't give Hogan/Austin in a 30 second confrontation Rock/Hogan heat....I mean, Hogan just bodyslammed him and tagged out.
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 My ideal scenario for 19 would still be a face vs. face double retirement Hogan-Flair match; both men retire regardless of outcome. But I find this extremely unlikely, especially since I get the feeling both men might hang around for a while after Mania anyway. Thats exactly what i was thinking they should be doing for the show. Have Flair go all old school heel on Hogan, and have Mr.Bollea do his traditional babyface routine and end it at the big show, while keeping something quality in the main event. Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle, IF they go ahead with it, wouldn't be half bad. Illusion
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin-Hogan an Mania 19 wouldn't work, because it would be deja vu all over again. We just had Rock-Hogan at the last one, so people will be we already had the same basic match. WWE copies it's own ideas way too much already, but this is just too blatant; not as many people will shell out to see it as they would have. I'm not saying it isn't still a big draw, just that it isn't humongous. And I don't think many people complained about having a rematch of Rock/Hogan. Hell, at the house show in July of this year, everyone talked about how they wanted Rock/Hogan II at Summerslam...so the marks aren't sick of Hogan/Rock yet, I dunno why they would be of Austin/Hogan.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Yes, but Hogan's pathetic choking, and Austin's kick punch kick stomp style.... I don't see a good match coming out of it.
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Yes, but Hogan's pathetic choking, and Austin's kick punch kick stomp style.... I don't see a good match coming out of it. Yeah, I know...but I think that Austin is in a lot better health then he was 10 months ago, so he could probably get something better out of Hogan.
Guest Choken One Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Does the workrate really mean a damn thing? No. It'll draw just on the names alone...
Guest bob_barron Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin vs Hogan is one thing: it pops a buyrate, but creates ZERO stars in the process Does EVERYTHING have to be about 'creating new stars'? This is something i hate about Scott Keith too, after Summerslam all he did was BITCH about how no-one benefited from the HBK-HHH match. WHO THE FUCK CARES YOU IDIOT, it was a good match, we we're entertained, THAT'S WHY WE WATCH WRESTLING. Sure, the WWE needs to create and build on its talent, but not in every match. Illusion Because it's obvious the fans are tired of the same old stars and there is a need to create new ones. That's why people are so obsessed with it
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 One thought, why should they be 100% percent focused on making new stars when they still can get big money out of 2 old timers in the ring?
Guest bob_barron Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Doesn't Austin have this policy he wrestles by where if he cannot have a decent match with the individual, then he won't wrestle them? I remember Austin turning down a match with Hogan earlier on this year for that very reason, because he couldn't have a good WRESTLING match with the Hulkster, and he went on to choose Eddie Guerrero to wrestle. We all know how that situation ended... Oh well...Hogan and Austin? Eh... It'll probably The WWE vs Triple H... And HHH will win.. Illusion Considering Austin wrestled Undertaker for almost 30 minutes this year that's horseshit. He also had a match against Big Show this year at Insurrextion so I think Austin just didn't want to work with Hogan cause he doesn't like him
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Does the workrate really mean a damn thing? No. It'll draw just on the names alone... Exactly....everyone knew Rock/Hogan wouldn't be Bret/Bulldog or Bret/Owen...but it still drew big.
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin will wrestle Hogan if there's money there. Even if it's a -***** match that draws huge, Austin will do it. ANYONE would do it.
Guest bob_barron Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 One thought, why should they be 100% percent focused on making new stars when they still can get big money out of 2 old timers in the ring? They didn't make that much off Hogan v. Rock- the show did a dissapointing buyrate so there is no absolute proof Hogan v. Austin would draw. And they should be 100% focused on creating new stars because all Hogan v. Austin would do is delay what is absolutely needed
Guest Dangerous A Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin vs Hogan is one thing: it pops a buyrate, but creates ZERO stars in the process Does EVERYTHING have to be about 'creating new stars'? This is something i hate about Scott Keith too, after Summerslam all he did was BITCH about how no-one benefited from the HBK-HHH match. WHO THE FUCK CARES YOU IDIOT, it was a good match, we we're entertained, THAT'S WHY WE WATCH WRESTLING. Sure, the WWE needs to create and build on its talent, but not in every match. Illusion First off, HHH vs HBK wasn't on top of the Summerslam card, Brock vs Rock was. I wouldn't mind seeing Austin vs Hogan, as long as it wasn't on top of the card, which is what I was referring to. And yes, quite a bit of what I talk about has something to do with creating draws because RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NONE! If business was booming, I would be all up for dream matches and such. But right now things don't look so good and the product stinks, so yeah, I FUCKING CARE, YOU PUNK ASS BITCH! (remember you called me idiot first, fuckface)
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Doesn't Austin have this policy he wrestles by where if he cannot have a decent match with the individual, then he won't wrestle them? I remember Austin turning down a match with Hogan earlier on this year for that very reason, because he couldn't have a good WRESTLING match with the Hulkster, and he went on to choose Eddie Guerrero to wrestle. We all know how that situation ended... Oh well...Hogan and Austin? Eh... It'll probably The WWE vs Triple H... And HHH will win.. Illusion Considering Austin wrestled Undertaker for almost 30 minutes this year that's horseshit. He also had a match against Big Show this year at Insurrextion so I think Austin just didn't want to work with Hogan cause he doesn't like him Take into consideration WHO the Undertaker is. Remember, he's that guy that's been there over 11 years and won't let you forget it? From what i've heard, you just don't fuck around with the Undertaker, and i don't see how Austin is different. Besides, they are reasonably good friends as far as i know, and i'm not quite sure what Steve's stand is on Mr.Hogan. Illusion - Doesn't post 'horseshit'
Guest bob_barron Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Austin will wrestle Hogan if there's money there. Even if it's a -***** match that draws huge, Austin will do it. ANYONE would do it. But doesn't Austin not like Hogan?? And considering he has enough money I don't think that would be a motivation. If Austin comes back he should be putting people over not wrestling old people who don't need his rub
Guest Angle-plex Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 If Austin comes back he should be putting people over not wrestling old people who don't need his rub Exaclty. Test vs Austin at Wrestlemania baby~!
Guest bob_barron Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 Take into consideration WHO the Undertaker is. Remember, he's that guy that's been there over 11 years and won't let you forget it? From what i've heard, you just don't fuck around with the Undertaker, and i don't see how Austin is different. Besides, they are reasonably good friends as far as i know, and i'm not quite sure what Steve's stand is on Mr.Hogan. Illusion - Doesn't post 'horseshit' I think because Austin is the most successful wrestler of all time and if he wanted to could easily fuck around with the Undertaker. Also- even though he was unhappy with it Austin did agree to wrestle Scott Hall which also doesn't= decent match. So I think the whole Austin only wrestles people if he can have a decent match argument is not true
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 They didn't make that much off Hogan v. Rock- the show did a dissapointing buyrate so there is no absolute proof Hogan v. Austin would draw. The show did over a 2.0 and sold out Skydome. Considering the rest of the junk on that card, I'd say Rock/Hogan drew very well. And they should be 100% focused on creating new stars because all Hogan v. Austin would do is delay what is absolutely needed Thus the reason you have guys like Angle, Benoit, etc. in the main event. Having a show with Benoit vs. Angle and Hogan vs. Austin on the same card will make all different types of fans want to see it AND your building new stars in the process.
Guest HartFan86 Posted November 30, 2002 Report Posted November 30, 2002 If Austin comes back he should be putting people over not wrestling old people who don't need his rub Your pushing it...having Austin come back and lose right off would be a mistake. He's still got a few years left, THEN have him give the big rub. It looked like they were gunna do it with Booker earlier this year, but I think Vince realized Austin will still draw and he's still got a few years left in him.
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