Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 For my money Flea of 411 is currently among the worst IWC writers not named Tommy Fierro. He is a high-handed, judgemental, hypocritical, fucktard whose sole ambition is trying to bash the IWC for being opinionated when he is just as bad as us. Albert, Batista, or anyone that is not "cool to like " (based on IWC standards) comes out to NO CROWD REACTION - Vince is a fool and a "big man freak who hates anyone not 6’5" and is insulting our intelligence by pushing them because they are NOT OVER due to lack of crowd noise. "Doesn’t Vince listen to the fans?" "How can he push them when the crowd doesn’t care?" But then... Chris Benoit and Eddy Guerrero wrestle in absolute silence, save for a bunch of BORING chants, and it’s the FANS that are stupid and uneducated and Vince is a fool to listen to the fans. "How can he listen to the fans, who wouldn’t know OVER and TALENT if they came over and introduced themselves?" Well, let's see Flea: A-Train has been a waste of space in the roster since 1998, he can't cut a promo, his in-ring style is terrible, and he's out of shape. Compare that with Guerrero and Benoit who have consistantly great matches, can cut promos that get angles or matches over and have paid their dues long ago. Couple that withe fact that the SD 6 were getting *spectacular* crowd reactions for their matches for the last 4 monthes, I'd say someone has blinders on. Hogan on HHH: "Great backstage politician" TAKEN AS GOSPEL! "Boy Howdy! We were right about that HHH guy all along. Hogan said so!" Hogan on Anything Else, pick the topic FULL OF SHIT!! "Boy Howdy! That Hogan sure has some nerve to try and snow us over with his lies and exaggerations! You can’t believe a WORD he says!" Guess what Flea? We don't need Hogan to tell us HHH is a backstage politician. He's admitted he's in production meetings, he was part of a group that was hell-bent on controlling backstage politics. It's pretty obvious due to his monstrous push and lack of effort that something isn't right. And then there's that whole "banging the boss' daughter thing." Oh, and the reason we don't take Hogan for his word is because 99% he's talking about HIMSELF and he's a known egotist. Talk about beating a dead horse. HEY! GO WRITE A COLUMN OR POST A MESSAGE ABOUT HOW HHHORIBLE HHH IS! Nothing like originality!! Notice that at this point he can't dispute the claim, just that he's sick of hearing about it. Well, then don't go on message boards, quit the IWC you hate so much. You're such a dumb-ass. "backstage political scene" figured out based on 3rd hand rumors from "sources" and a jaded perception of how business, in general, works. If you hear a story once, you dimiss it. Twice, maybe. Three times, is pushing it. But the sheer volume of complaints makes it tough to dispute these claims. Oh and no one blamed HHH for Katie Vick. What a fucking moron. Yes, it's obvious, that HHH never had it in for Jericho. HHH just squashes him in every program he has and then we hear reports about HHH's jealousy and hatred for Jericho since Day 1 of Jericho's WWF tenure. Put 2 and 2 together. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing you ignorant twit. Benoit (who can’t talk and has never expressed an interest in resembling someone with a personality) and Jericho (who was given his run at the top and was moderately successful, but whose in ring work seemed to take one big nose dive when he was given the ball) Yes, because the people who have it now are doing SO WELL WITH IT. Someone else take over for me... I'm too disgusted with this crap. Flea I challenge you too get on this board and defend your opinions to those you insult. Do you hear me! No e-mails that you can manipulate. We can argue right here and let the posters decide.
Guest ShooterJay Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Flea is pretty much the last pro-HHH writer on the 'Net, he's also anti-Jericho and RVD, so look out. He's not a bad, writer, just different. Some of what he writes pisses me off huge, but at least it's grammatically correct.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Flea is pretty much the last pro-HHH writer on the 'Net, he's also anti-Jericho and RVD, so look out. He's not a bad, writer, just different. Some of what he writes pisses me off huge, but at least it's grammatically correct. I was pretty angry when I posted that, so I KNOW there are mistakes. But let's face it. I saw a lot of spelling errors in his columns. It's the editors who do that stuff, not Flea.
Guest bob_barron Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 How is Flea gonna know to come post here?
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 I stopped reading Flea months ago. Everything you said about him in your opening paragraph is true. If you want to bash the "IWC" (which he is a part of whether he wants to admit to it or not), fine, but do so and actually have some credibility in doing it, and that means taking the high road, and not acting like the lowest common denominator. None of what you quoted surprised me, Zsasz. This board has been described as having the worst of the worst "IWC standards", but I have yet to read any of the above 'quotes' here. The Albert 'push' (I can't really call it a push without quotations in good conscience as he's already jobbed to Edge and he's back to squashing Funaki on Velocity) was criticized moreso in the lack of logic rather than 'crowd reaction', and nowhere did I see anyone take a "listen to US" attitude. Ridiculous. I attribute it to being an HHH mark (no problem with that), but as a result, he's taking it out on anyone that'll give him an ounce of attention because HHH showed this year that he wasn't what he once was or what he's hyped to be. Thing is, I don't think it's really worked because this is the first time I have ever seen a thread dedicated to him on any board and it's been almost a year since I first read his work. As for his mortal enemy Benoit, he's getting pushed to a title match on the #3 PPV of the year (after doing some *gasp* TALKING), regardless of who thinks he has a personality or not, and I bet Flea is just knashing his teeth in rage over it. Well, stick that in your pipe and smoke it, or better yet, shove it up your ass.
Guest Downhome Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Are you sure he's not just a mark who doesn't read stuff on the net?
Guest AndrewTS Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Flea posts that same bullshit all the time. That's why he's generally ignored. And he'll contradict himself regularly, suddenly rallying behind one guy then dropping him like a hot potato if he gets support from the IWC. I don't usually see him posting feedback, because I doubt people give a crap about what he says.
Guest Angle-plex Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Who the fuck is Flea? I mean, I know he's a writer, but I didn't even knew he existed until I read this thread.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 The only feedback I can recall Flea ever posting was back in September when some female reader got wet because HHH got chants during a match with Spike (the debut of the SLEEPER OF DEATH~!) and wanted to send a Nelson-esque "ha ha" to anyone who cared (all 0 of them). For all the faults a Scott Keith or a Hyatte have, at least people pay attention to them.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Someone brought up how Flea will know to post here. Well, my question is this: What else can I do? If I e-mail him, he'll villify me. Or he'll ignore me. If I challenge him, e-mail him to inform of the challenge, and he shows up, I'm confident that I'm right. If he doesn't show up, I know that even he can't argue his point. Plus, he reads all of the IWC, he should come here, dammit.
Guest AfricanAmerican Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Talk about beating a dead horse. HEY! GO WRITE A COLUMN OR POST A MESSAGE ABOUT HOW HHHORIBLE HHH IS! Nothing like originality!! Notice that at this point he can't dispute the claim, just that he's sick of hearing about it. Well, then don't go on message boards, quit the IWC you hate so much. You're such a dumb-ass. You recommend that he stop reading message boards if he has a problem with what he sees, yet you continue to read his articles though you have a problem with what you're seeing from him. You want him to refrain from doing something, yet its okay for you to go and do the same thing? Who's the real hypocrite? From what you quoted from his article, and from what I've seen posted here throughout the board, a lot of what Flea says is true (whether you want to agree or not). For example, if anything happens that you dont agree with or if one of the "smark darlings" or whatever they're called doesn't get pushed.. according to your posts, it must be HHH's fault, or JR because everything's about "Hoss's" getting pushed. But whatever... everyone has an opinion.
Guest AndrewTS Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 I have no problems with a columnist bringing up alternate viewpoints. After all, I know HHH does have a fanbase, because although he's not that good a wrestler, his interviews are boring, and he takes up too much airtime (something that one could tell even without net info), some people just swallow whatever Vince feeds him. And he is pushed heavily and looks nigh unbeatable, occasionally hits people with sledgehammers and makes sexual jokes. That sort of stuff would make nearly anyone quite over with marks--take a look at motherfucking Scott Steiner, who hasn't even wrestled a match on TV. However, even with his fanbase HHH hasn't been able to draw well. And frankly, if he doesn't sell tickets and PPVs then ratings mean jack. That goes for anyone. So there are people who aren't fed up with HHH. They should be, but aren't. Pleasing them shouldn't be a priority, since I'm pretty sure his fanbase is shrinking and not growing. So if Flea loves HHH, he should be as happy as a pig in slop with Raw, but he shouldn't expect the rest of us to follow his misguided opinions, since we have our reasons. And new reasons appear all the time.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Talk about beating a dead horse. HEY! GO WRITE A COLUMN OR POST A MESSAGE ABOUT HOW HHHORIBLE HHH IS! Nothing like originality!! Notice that at this point he can't dispute the claim, just that he's sick of hearing about it. Well, then don't go on message boards, quit the IWC you hate so much. You're such a dumb-ass. You recommend that he stop reading message boards if he has a problem with what he sees, yet you continue to read his articles though you have a problem with what you're seeing from him. You want him to refrain from doing something, yet its okay for you to go and do the same thing? Who's the real hypocrite? From what you quoted from his article, and from what I've seen posted here throughout the board, a lot of what Flea says is true (whether you want to agree or not). For example, if anything happens that you dont agree with or if one of the "smark darlings" or whatever they're called doesn't get pushed.. according to your posts, it must be HHH's fault, or JR because everything's about "Hoss's" getting pushed. But whatever... everyone has an opinion. He has a worldwide outlet for his bile. I don't. And I don't complain weekly about Flea the way he does about us, so don't compare the 2 situations. I'm simply stating my opinions about him and using his latest column as a reference. I've read a half-dozen Flea columns and usually do the same thing: Shake my head, and read Keith's mail-bag. Next?
Guest AndrewTS Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Talk about beating a dead horse. HEY! GO WRITE A COLUMN OR POST A MESSAGE ABOUT HOW HHHORIBLE HHH IS! Nothing like originality!! Notice that at this point he can't dispute the claim, just that he's sick of hearing about it. Well, then don't go on message boards, quit the IWC you hate so much. You're such a dumb-ass. You recommend that he stop reading message boards if he has a problem with what he sees, yet you continue to read his articles though you have a problem with what you're seeing from him. You want him to refrain from doing something, yet its okay for you to go and do the same thing? Who's the real hypocrite? From what you quoted from his article, and from what I've seen posted here throughout the board, a lot of what Flea says is true (whether you want to agree or not). For example, if anything happens that you dont agree with or if one of the "smark darlings" or whatever they're called doesn't get pushed.. according to your posts, it must be HHH's fault, or JR because everything's about "Hoss's" getting pushed. But whatever... everyone has an opinion. It seems as if most of the "smark darlings" on SD are treated pretty damn well, and most don't complain except for a few like Anglesault. And at least we're seeing some shuffling in the upper card on SD, even if Big Show is one of them. On Raw, the main event is HHH, and HHH alone.
Guest Downhome Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Just for the record, I didn't know he existed untill this thread either, and quite frankly, I really don't care what some third rate sh*t spewing "columnist" thinks. :D
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 You can MAYBE count Scott Steiner, who has the benefit of not being around RAW, especially in the September to November period when anyone not named HBK was needing prosthetic limbs after having their legs cut out from under them. I think THAT is the main reason why Steiner is perceived as credible, more than anything else. But I'm getting off topic here....
Guest AndrewTS Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 You can MAYBE count Scott Steiner, who has the benefit of not being around RAW, especially in the September to November period when anyone not named HBK was needing prosthetic limbs after having their legs cut out from under them. I think THAT is the main reason why Steiner is perceived as credible, more than anything else. But I'm getting off topic here.... Steiner is perceived as credible because he hasn't been made HHH's bitch (yet), then, right? And in fact, HHH now appears to be threatened, unsure, even fearful of Steiner. When's the last time he did that for anybody else?
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 You can MAYBE count Scott Steiner, who has the benefit of not being around RAW, especially in the September to November period when anyone not named HBK was needing prosthetic limbs after having their legs cut out from under them. I think THAT is the main reason why Steiner is perceived as credible, more than anything else. But I'm getting off topic here.... Steiner is perceived as credible because he hasn't been made HHH's bitch (yet), then, right? And in fact, HHH now appears to be threatened, unsure, even fearful of Steiner. When's the last time he did that for anybody else? I don't think he could sabotage Steiner if he wanted to. 1. Steiner would go nuts 2. His actions would become transparent for all to see. 3. He needs a sucessful program to get back his credibility.
Guest AndrewTS Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 "Get back his credibility?" What? When in WWE-land did he lose it?
Guest the pinjockey Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Once I read where he said Chris Jericho was given the ball I decided to disregard any previous lines.
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 4. Vince paid a decent chunk of change to bring Steiner in.
Guest AndrewTS Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 4. Vince paid a decent chunk of change to bring Steiner in. Yeah, but that didn't stop him from having Austin destroy them, even when supposedly Austin said he was being booked too strongly in that fued.
Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767 Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 He complains about the IWC, you all complain about HHH/Hosses/Jim Ross/Whatever is irking the board at the moment. Call a spade a spade and move on. It never ceases to amaze me how some poster on a wrestling message board will say, "Hey, look at this guy! He disagrees with us on who we think is cool and who is not! He sucks! Let's bash him!" Then someone else wanting to feel "cool" runs into the topic making some sort of remark on the lines of "I stopped reading him MONTHS ago." Gee, really? Well, let me break out the lip balm and grease your dick you Uber-Internet GOD~!!!!! /sarcasm
Guest CanadianChick Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 THe only thing that really bugged me about this coloumn was that he was trying to pass his opinion as fact. Like when he said that Eddy/Benoit always wrestle to silence. Uh, no, not exactly. But if that's his opinion, more power to him. Everyone has different opinions, so let's not send him hate mail based on his opinion.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Then someone else wanting to feel "cool" runs into the topic making some sort of remark on the lines of "I stopped reading him MONTHS ago." Gee, really? Well, let me break out the lip balm and grease your dick you Uber-Internet GOD~!!!!! /sarcasm If that was directed towards me, then I must state how I didn't say a damn thing in order to feel "cool" or whatnot, I said it because it was the truth. What would you rather me do? Lie? As for the last sentence, thanks anyway, but I'll pass.
Guest AndrewTS Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 He complains about the IWC, you all complain about HHH/Hosses/Jim Ross/Whatever is irking the board at the moment. Call a spade a spade and move on. It never ceases to amaze me how some poster on a wrestling message board will say, "Hey, look at this guy! He disagrees with us on who we think is cool and who is not! He sucks! Let's bash him!" Then someone else wanting to feel "cool" runs into the topic making some sort of remark on the lines of "I stopped reading him MONTHS ago." Gee, really? Well, let me break out the lip balm and grease your dick you Uber-Internet GOD~!!!!! /sarcasm Actually, it was us commenting on seemed to irrational bitching filled with contradiction. The only one here apparently trying to sound "cool" is you, making blanket statements like "you all complain" yadda yadda. And basically saying you don't give a fuck about anything. Whether or not you agree with him, you have the same mentality: make a vulgar, venom-filled statement designed not to actually add anything to the conversation, or encourage some solid discussion, but insulting and disagreeing just for the hell of it.
Guest TheGame2705 Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Flea wants to be a rebel. Mr. Zsaz wants to make someone look stupid. The Bus guy wants to take the RVD approach. I sort of agree with Flea but he just does it in too bitter of a tone. He could use examples of smark fickleness such as Matt Hardy. "The Hardyz are a waste of time. They can only do spotty matches and need Lita need to help them win matches." "Matt Hardy is the most brilliant man EVER". One could almost say the same about Edge except he actually has improved. "OMG Edge fuckin' sucks. Give the push to Christian" "Edge is pretty darn entertaining, who's Christian." Had Edge not improved, then that would be more valid but it still holds some truth.
Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767 Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Exactly Game. I mean, look at Tom Zenk, while there are some that don't like his column because he bitches about the same thing ad nauseum, there will always be the fanboys out there going LOL at every other word because he bashes the usual suspects. Flea, on the other hand will get no love becuase most of his comments are right on the money, and they are talking about 80% of the posters on this board. No one likes being called out, especially if it's someone going against the norm that's calling them out. So, in the end you get this gang rape mentality. Oh, and whoever felt I was addressing them with my sarcasm, I was not. I was addressing smarks in geberal. However, if you felt I was addressing you, perhaps you should break way from the norms.
Guest TheyCallMeMark Posted December 30, 2002 Report Posted December 30, 2002 Umm... aren't we SUPPOSED to discuss articles people post about wrestling? Isn't this a wrestling board? You high and mighty incompetent diplomats who think no one should ever argue about opinions need to please, take a look around and realize how stagnate this board and the world at large would be if people didn't debate opinions, facts and ideas. No one would get anywhere because they'd be "respecting" and "appreciating" everyone's different opinions. Fuck that. The purpose of editorials isn't to try to inform your readership or impart fact on others, it's to incite debate so that people can grow intellectually by expanding their knowledge of what other people think. I hate every post that involves "HEY DON'T DEBATE WHAT THIS GUY SAYS IT'S STUPID, YOU SHOULD ACCEPT HIS OPINION AND NOT BASH IT". Those people are A) Being idiots and B) Not staying on topic. The subject is MrZsasz doesn't like fleas column. So he says he doesn't like it and doesn't agree, then puts snippits up to support his case against the article and the viewpoint. He's not a troll, he made a valid point. So, please, everyone, grow some balls and realize that people aren't going to agree, and they are going to talk about why they don't agree or why they do. Well that's done... Could someone tell me what the "IWC" is? Because I don't know... ;(
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