Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Yes, I'm going to try to be positive. Okay, Brock/Angle cannot be good. They missed that stop a long time ago. BUT, I think it can venture from the "steaming pile of horsehit" ranking it has now to a "okayish" type spot. And they are on the right track. Heyman/Brock next week can ONLY set up a Team Angle beatdown in the cage. It really has no other purpose. So, if they lock Brock in the cage, bloody him, beat him, and snap the ankle and make Brock tap in it, they will have some momentum. The important thing from there is to have Angle just destroy Brock every show leading to Mania. Everytime Brock tries to do a move, have Angle go to the ankle and kill it. Have Brock get as little offense as possible (preferably none.) Leading up to the show, and have Angle standing tall with a bloddy Brock under him. That, and only that can stop this from being the biggest disaster in years. It's already a bomb as an Angle/Brock feud in the sense that this could have been 100x better. But they can save it from being a bomb under normal feud standards. The question is, Will they?
Guest oldschoolwrestling Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 What if they did their Wrestlemania match in a cage? I would love to see Angle nail Anglesault off the top of the cage and then have Brock bust out a SSP of the top of the cage.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 The thing with AS's plan is that it only works if they plan to have Brock win. If they want to have Angle win, they're going about it right. Embarrassingly, but right.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Angle hurt himself last time he tried that Moonsault off the cage. In fact, you saw the results of that...a year and a half later, when Angle had the knee surgery.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 If they want to have Angle win, . Then they really have let the monkies write the show.
Guest Vern Gagne Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 HHH/Jericho was bigger...IMO. Angle needs at least one beatdown against Lesnar. Next week have Angle put the Ankle Lock on Lesnar after a vicious beating and tap. Have Brock walk with a slight limp, and have Team Angle take advantage of Lesnar's weakness.
Guest Lightning Flik Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Actually, with the way things are working out (ie: Brock always getting the upperhand, Cena blasting Brock and swearing vengeance), I wouldn't be a surprise if Brock loses at Wrestlemania. ....sighs.... ...then again, I just want Angle to win, then have a rematch against Benoit at Backlash (make the damned PPV mean something for once) and THEN, and freaking ONLY THEN, will Angle lose the title ... to Benoit. From there, I'd then expect Benoit to be Champion till it gets moved to a transitional Heel Champion right around the time KoR begins, and Lesnar competes in the KoR yet again, and completes the feat of winning two KoR, and back to back, then go onto Summerslam and THEN reclaim his title. ...sighs... The WWE though, will just give the title to Lesnar, and then have everyone besides Hossers (those being TBS, Taker, A-Train, and of course at some point along the way, Vince[only because he feels he needs another title reign since his last was about 5 years ago]) losing to him.
Guest Brian Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Well, without Heyman they might be able to book a tease angle right.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Angle needs at least one beatdown against Lesnar. Next week have Angle put the Ankle Lock on Lesnar after a vicious beating and tap. Have Brock walk with a slight limp, and have Team Angle take advantage of Lesnar's weakness. Unacceptable. HHH/Jericho was bigger...IMO. I don't think so. Jericho was treated as a lotion boy, yes, but that HHH/Stephanie feud gave a hint of Steph costing HHH the match. Plus, people had high hopes for Brock/Angle.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Thursday March 6th: Beat down in Cage - injures Brock. March 13th: Brock comes out, gets beatdown - too weak to take on team angle. March 20th: Brock comes out again, gets through team angle, about to take out Kurt, but gets beatdown again after Team Angle recovers. March 27th: Gets Kurt alone, Kurt schools him. Wrestlemania: Who will win?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 March 20th: Brock comes out again, gets through team angle, about to take out Kurt No.
Guest Brian Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 It can be salvaged, chances are that won't happen. Lock him in the cage, tear him apart. Every week, Angle has to look smarter. And in the last week, have him stretchered out after getting to Paul (mini-pay-off).
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 And in the last week, have him stretchered out after getting to Paul (mini-pay-off). That could work. Make brock look like an idiot, being so obsessed with getting to Paul that he doesn't realize that Angle is right behind him to further destroy the ankle.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 But he still gets beat down. Just not as immediately as before. Just when you think Brock is going to kick the shit out of Kurt he gets beat down. The next week he DOES get to kurt but Kurt turns the tables and beats Brock down by himself. Kurt looks strong on the last show as if to say "I was playing you all along". Which immediately sets up "shit, can brock beat him?" at WM.
Guest Brian Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 The thing is, they should have been doing that all along. Make Angle look more experienced and more knowledgable and it lends itself to the match.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 I know, and they can still do it. I would have preferred it earlier as well, but it's still possible for them to set it up like that. I was totally digging the Kendrick match - Kurt's pissed off look is pretty convincing. It established that Kurt is in control, but when he gets full of himself he can get caught off-guard.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 But he still gets beat down. Just not as immediately as before. Just when you think Brock is going to kick the shit out of Kurt he gets beat down. There is no reason for a half-crippled Brock to look like he can almost take out the world champ and the tag champs. if you want to have him call Angle out and then make him oly stay down because of a three on one, fine. Don't have him look injured AND better than all three at the same time.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 I know, and they can still do it. No they can't. It's a difficult thing to establish really well in four weeks. It's impossible to establish it after five (six?) weeks of saying just the opposite without hinting at this being the plan all along.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 But it's all about the tease. It's all about that last smackdown before wrestlemania where Angle shows that he has the advantage, that he was faking it all along. It's about creating that doubt. And he wouldn't destroy the Tag champs, he would just get them out of his way so that the fans will be like "oh, he is going to get his hands on Kurt! ... oh no he isn't"
Guest Brian Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 It's difficult, but it's possible. They haven't really explored the whole Angle being smarter end of things and if they could reverse everything by making it seem like Angle was so focused on the physical aspect that he didn't let his mental game work, they could do it. And by having Angle snap and just be ruthless with how he takes apart Brock would be another step.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 I disagree. Hence, my '3 week rule' that I have been saying for the last... month or two. 3 weeks is enough time to hype something up.
Guest Brian Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Heck, they blow this and it doesn't matter. They've had two chances to pull a great tease, and if they blow this one it's going to be gone.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 I can't see how they will blow it. I mean, the standard logic of this feud has been "the underdog wins" , next week Heyman is the Underdog.
Guest Austin3164life Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 With this feud they basically dug themselves into a big, muddy ditch, and now it's going to take a lot of work to get themselves out. Last night was a look in the right direction, and hopefully, at the end of Heyman's beatdown, Angle comes out from under the ring (a la Valentine's Massacre/Big Show) and clocks Brock with the WWE belt and twists his ankle until it comes off.
Guest Brian Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Don't even let Heyman get hurt. Too early for a pay-off on that. Just as Brock gets to him, Team Angle and Angle storm the ring, lock the cage, and pound him into a bloody pulp, tease him with the championship, and celebrate in the ring as the faces are unable to make it in.
Guest Nanks Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 Even something small and aside like Angle hitting Brock with the Angle Slam while Haas was tapping out the Crossface at NWO would've been a step in the right direction, but next week if Brock inflicts any damage on Kurt whatsoever in that cage they've fucked it. I was defending Brock looking strong going into NWO, but Kurt didn't get in the offence he should've been allowed. Kurt should give Brock a belt shot next week to bust him open before locking on the Anglelock and then getting in Brock's bloody face telling him "IT'S MY BELT" to refer back to Brock teasing Kurt with his own belt at the end of their NWO match
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 It looks like they are doing a bill alfonzo/911 deal with Brock and Heyman.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 . And he wouldn't destroy the Tag champs, he would just get them out of his way Without destroying them. How? Will he throw a stick outside the ring and tell them to fetch? so that the fans will be like "oh, he is going to get his hands on Kurt! ... oh no he isn't" No, that's kind of stupid. THAT is the tease you are doing with Heyman. This is no anticipation for Brock getting his hands on Angle, because he's done it eight times! 3 weeks is enough time to hype something up. Three shows...to turn eight shows around and make someone care. Not a fucking chance.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 28, 2003 Report Posted February 28, 2003 A chair. He hits them, they clear the ring. He turns his backs, they recover, they jump him. It depends on what kind of beat down they do next week and the week after. There's a chance. 3 weeks of montages on both Raw and Smackdown, talking about it during other peoples matches, 30 minutes of screentime a week. That's enough.
Guest Polish_Rifle Posted March 1, 2003 Report Posted March 1, 2003 Even if Brock beats Team Angle every week for the next 4 weeks, nothing can be worse than "Lotion Boy" Jericho walking HHH's dog and indirectly causing it to be run over and insighting the anger of HHH.
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