The German SUplex

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Now that Kurt has gone down, and WWE is looking to tone down the style, do you think that the German Suplex (Or at least the rolling Germans) will join the pile driver? I got very tired of all those rolling german spots that Benoit and Angle would trade off, and I always liked the snap suplex a lot better, but do you think A) WWE will ban it, and B) It would be the correct move?

[Guest chirs3]

I'd prefer Benoit keep them, but he could always switch off to the Rolling Northern Lights, which look a bit safer and still very cool.

[Guest creativename]

I'd like it if they reduced the frequency by a bit. I don't want to see it totally done away with of course--let Benoit and Lesnar use it from time to time, especially. This way it's impact is not diluted.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I wouldn't mind Benoit to continue to use the Rolling German spot. After all, he did use it before Angle did and it seems to be a crowd-pleaser.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

the 'WWE style' german is designed to spread out the impact and makethe move less dangerous for both guys, so they'll keep it. I think they need to get the bridging one over as the DEATH move, and not just wear out the release ones.

[Guest Steviekick]

The release ones seem to have less impact. Keep them.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Yeah, like I said in WWE they've modified the release ones to be less dangerous, it makes the move weaker but it's a better transition than a bah gawd spinebuster.

[Guest godthedog]

the 'WWE style' german is designed to spread out the impact and makethe move less dangerous for both guys, so they'll keep it. I think they need to get the bridging one over as the DEATH move, and not just wear out the release ones.

it depends on who's taking it, really. most guys (angle, austin, etc) like to take the brunt of it on their back, but others (rvd, bubba) just love to take it on their neck.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

The release German is dead, but the bridging one can be got over as a viable finish simply because a good bridge looks so very cool.

[Guest Trivia247]

a Bridging German after a Locomotive German would be good.

 

Or even a locomotive German into a Dragon Suplex.

[Guest Dace59]

The use, and selling of the Germans and Rolling Germans in the WWE is terrible.

[Guest cabbageboy]

The silly thing is that these guys aren't really getting hurt bad from these violent spotfest type matches (RVD stuff) but rather from serious wrestling moves like suplexes and all that. I mean how can you abolish every hard hitting wrestling move?

[Guest Trivia247]

The silly thing is that these guys aren't really getting hurt bad from these violent spotfest type matches (RVD stuff) but rather from serious wrestling moves like suplexes and all that. I mean how can you abolish every hard hitting wrestling move?

they are getting hurt from clotheslining too Hard... Tripping and Landing on bumps wrong.......

 

how is it that Japanese wrestlers can hit high impact dangerous looking moves and still wrestle the next week but American Wrestlers clothesline and is out with a Bicep injury?

[Guest AndrewTS]

The silly thing is that these guys aren't really getting hurt bad from these violent spotfest type matches (RVD stuff) but rather from serious wrestling moves like suplexes and all that.  I mean how can you abolish every hard hitting wrestling move?

they are getting hurt from clotheslining too Hard... Tripping and Landing on bumps wrong.......

 

how is it that Japanese wrestlers can hit high impact dangerous looking moves and still wrestle the next week but American Wrestlers clothesline and is out with a Bicep injury?

Because Vince is concerned about bulk. Developing more agile, flexible, enduring white muscle instead of focusing so much on less-enduring, strength-focused red muscle is probably why the Japanese wrestlers are less prone to injury. Also I figure because of stretching exercises.

 

A case closer to home: RVD is big into Tai Chi and stretches a lot, and he's rarely had injuries--the last one was a broken leg years ago.

[Guest Dace59]

Japanese wrestlers, are seen as being in better condition, dont appear to be taking as many roids.

 

So their bodies and stronger, more flexible, and it better condition.

 

As for big moves. If you know it's coming, and you and your opponent are working together to make it safe, and you know how to roll or protect yourself, it's far easier on you than if it happens by accident.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Personally I'd like to see Benoit bring out the hammerlock suplexes more. But I'll agree, bringing back the bridge would be sweet.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Hm--how were Germans treated earlier in the WWF?

 

I know it was Alundra Blayze's finisher--not that that means much.

 

I think Bret Hart used a bridging German to win sometimes, although mostly he'd just get a 2 from it.

 

Prior to the superkick, didn't HBK use a variation on the German Suplex to win?

[Guest Dace59]

HBK used a version of the Backdrop Suplex.

 

With the Rolling Germans, someone hits you with two of them, but you block the third?

 

Which means you just no sell the first two.

Which means it's bad wrestling.

[Guest Trivia247]

HBK used a version of the Backdrop Suplex.

 

With the Rolling Germans, someone hits you with two of them, but you block the third?

 

Which means you just no sell the first two.

Which means it's bad wrestling.

HBK's move a Teardrop Suplex was a Version of the SAITO Suplex..

 

like a backdrop suplex but he hooks one of the legs first then Lifts and drops him sideways I think.

[Guest AndrewTS]

HBK used a version of the Backdrop Suplex.

 

With the Rolling Germans, someone hits you with two of them, but you block the third?

 

Which means you just no sell the first two.

Which means it's bad wrestling.

I don't know about that--it could be just the start of a comeback. How is that much different than someone on the advantage having a vertical suplex blocked, reversed, and the momentum shifts?

 

I would think grabbing the ropes would be okay to block a third, but that would require the Suplexer to be inexperienced enough to let the Suplexee close enough to the ropes.

[Guest Dace59]

It's the fact you's just taken two Germans before hand, with no room or time to rest at all that makes it a bad come back.

 

Blocking the first would be better.

[Guest godthedog]

I think Bret Hart used a bridging German to win sometimes, although mostly he'd just get a 2 from it.

one of bret's favorite spots was to have his opponent standing on the apron--wrestler x would try to suplex the opponent in, but wrestler y would reverse into a go-behind, then wrestler x would reverse AGAIN to a go-behind & do a german suplex. he used it in the summerslam match with davey, the iron man match with shawn, the wrestlemania match with owen, the mayhem match with benoit, & others. when he played the subtle heel (i.e., summerslam & iron man) he was wrestler x. when he played the face, he was wrestler y.

[Guest godthedog]

It's the fact you's just taken two Germans before hand, with no room or time to rest at all that makes it a bad come back.

 

Blocking the first would be better.

i think it could be made to look credible if it was done right, like the suplexee was still totally dazed & acting on instinct or in total desperation. the bad thing is that whenever it happens now, there's no visible struggle & it looks like the most natural thing in the world. it's like "oh yeah, this is the part where i finally block the suplex."

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

 

How the German Suplex should be done.

[Guest Dace59]

Fighting out, then dropping = good.

Blocking and going into your moves = bad.

 

Half Assed style, where you and the opp struggle and fight with every move, and dont just make it looks perfect is the best.

 

The pic is an example of that.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The Kawada/Albright match was based around Albright trying to hit the German suplex (amongst other things). It was treated like DEATH.

 

Of course, Albright threw the best motherfuckin suplexes EVER so that didn't hurt in the believabilty dept.

[Guest AndrewTS]

It's the fact you's just taken two Germans before hand, with no room or time to rest at all that makes it a bad come back.

 

Blocking the first would be better.

i think it could be made to look credible if it was done right, like the suplexee was still totally dazed & acting on instinct or in total desperation. the bad thing is that whenever it happens now, there's no visible struggle & it looks like the most natural thing in the world. it's like "oh yeah, this is the part where i finally block the suplex."

Which is what I was shooting at, yeah. And it shouldn't be done all the time or it just kills it.

 

Fighting out, then dropping = good.

Blocking and going into your moves = bad.

 

More or less, but if you blocked the third suplex, and managed to do something to stop your opponent's offense and/or escape it could work, if you then sold the damage and made it look like a desperate escape.

 

For example, a heel could block the third suplex, and hit a mule kick between the legs, then both of them hit the mat.

 

Or if it a face was the suplexee, he might back elbow and clothesline/spin kick the opponent to the mat.

 

Or even, if the ropes were used to suplex, he could sling himself out of the ring through the ropes and land on the floor to sell just how strong his opponent's grip was, but he could get a little bit of rest on the outside.

 

However, due to the rarity in which the three suplexes would be used, situations like this might but used once every couple months or so. Or maybe use it against the same opponent.

 

Guys who have faced each other many times should have each other's moves scouted and be able to counter moves earlier on, though. So countering the second suplex would work better in that case.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The Question is:

 

"Why did the guy get out of the third one and not the second one?"

 

Since each suplex increases the damage on the opponent, theoretically he should be MORE hurt on the third one, than the second one.

[Guest AndrewTS]

The Question is:

 

"Why did the guy get out of the third one and not the second one?"

 

Since each suplex increases the damage on the opponent, theoretically he should be MORE hurt on the third one, than the second one.

- The opponent may not be "expecting it." He may be ready to try to kick out of a bridged german but is unprepared for breaking free of a second German. If it's a bridged pin you have to try to get your shoulders off the mat. If it's a second German, you should be trying to break/reverse the waistlock. You may not know what is coming.

 

- It's more dramatic that way?

 

Of course, I'm trying to figure this out in the WWE style, which follows only slightly more logically than their booking decisions. How else can you explain stuff like the People's Elbow, Stinkface and Worm? Also, guys wrestling each other multiple times will often be suckered in for the same tactics. It's like the wrestlers have amnesia of their past encounters.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

How would one be 'prepared' for the third one after taking TWO german suplexes?