Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 How would one be 'prepared' for the third one after taking TWO german suplexes?
Guest AndrewTS Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 HBK used a version of the Backdrop Suplex. With the Rolling Germans, someone hits you with two of them, but you block the third? Which means you just no sell the first two. Which means it's bad wrestling. HBK's move a Teardrop Suplex was a Version of the SAITO Suplex.. like a backdrop suplex but he hooks one of the legs first then Lifts and drops him sideways I think. Is it just me, or does that seem like a better, albeit less dramatic, finisher than the Superkick?
Guest AndrewTS Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 How would one be 'prepared' for the third one after taking TWO german suplexes? If his opponent did the second, he'd expect the third. He'd need to have enough energy reserve to block/counter it, though.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 The rollin' Germans may get abused and over exposed (and I blame Angle for that) but Benoit and Angle use them alot better and make more sense with them then most "Wrestling" we see on WWE TV. And damn if I don't mark out for them.
Guest wildpegasus Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 Should an opponent be able to counter a 3rd german suplex? One has to remember that it's not only the opponent taking the punishment. It's also the deliverer of the suplexes. Benoit would take accumalated punishment here as well. Sure, not as much, but when you combine the fact that it's pretty obvious the rolling germans take a lot out of you cardiovascularly and closer to the point of muscular failure I think it's perfectly acceptable to counter a 3rd german suplex. Therefore Accumalated punishment to the body + cario exhaustion + body reaching muscular failure= A good possability for an opponent to counter a 3rd german suplex
Guest AndrewTS Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 Good point, I didn't even consider that...
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 But the opponent takes MUCH MORE punishment from taking the two german suplexes than the person giving it. They shouldn't have enough power to block it, let alone counter it. Not to mention, getting dropped on the back of your head should make you a lil groggy. Can you recall any matches that were won with the Rolling German Suplexes? I can't, which means Angle and Benoit didn't do them/use them well.
Guest Dace59 Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 I can't remember if Benoit sold his own Rolling Germans as making him groggy back in WCW or Japan, but: If the Rolling Germans makes the attacker groggy, why doesnt a normal German? Or why isnt there the same effect for other rolling moves?
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 German suplexes have been traded like chops, it's gotten ridiculous. I wouldn't mind it if these are used once or twice a match at most, but for heavens sake mix it up a bit. Even without getting into stuff like the dragon and tiger suplexes, you can do a vertical suplex, snap suplex, brainbuster, gutwrench suplex, belly-to-belly suplex, back suplex, etc. etc., instead of 10 germans a match per guy.
Guest Army Eye Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 Couldn't agree more. The Rolling Germans used to be such a cool spot. Now it means nothing. Benoit and Angle do it in EVERY match which means we usually see two sets of Rolling Germans PER WEEK!
Guest AndrewTS Posted March 16, 2003 Report Posted March 16, 2003 German suplexes have been traded like chops, it's gotten ridiculous. I wouldn't mind it if these are used once or twice a match at most, but for heavens sake mix it up a bit. Even without getting into stuff like the dragon and tiger suplexes, you can do a vertical suplex, snap suplex, brainbuster, gutwrench suplex, belly-to-belly suplex, back suplex, etc. etc., instead of 10 germans a match per guy. Unfortunately, it seems when you join WWE, Vince has you list all the moves you do regularly, then crosses out 75% of them, and says "here's your WWE move set." The German is likely seen as a relatively "safe" move to do so they probably prefer it used more than most suplexes. Although the Belly to Belly is kosher, though. One look at Steiner's Rumble match shows that. =/
Guest notJames Posted March 17, 2003 Report Posted March 17, 2003 I'm sure this has been stated before, but it's standard procedure for the bookers/writers to tell the wrestlers to put their signature spots in all of their matches. One of Benoit's just happens to be the rolling Germans, hence the reason we see it every week. It sucks for us, but it gets the fans to pop, and I'm sure Benoit is aware enough to know when to use effectively. As for the validity of selling the rolling Germans, blocking the 2nd or 3rd, etc., you have to take the move out of the context of a spot and more as a dramatic transition. When Benoit starts the rolling Germans, the crowd automatically expects the trifecta. Having the opponent block the 3rd one develops into more counters, building the suspense of the sequence, and hopefully keeping it from becoming (more) stale. You have to suspend your disbelief that the move is debilitating for the first and second, but not always for the third. It's like guys fighting out of and countering each others' finishers. Sure it sucks that this once devastating move has been more or less relegated to a transition, but that's the case with a lot of moves. Remember when the DDT signified "The End"? What about the superkick? Or even a superplex?
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