Enough with scott steiner!

[Guest notJames]

Apparently, the WWF gave Steiner another physical and "cleared him to wrestle", even though it's obvious the guy's gonna be limited by his "drop foot syndrome" whatever that is. So they're interested in bringing in yet another old, broken down, trouble-making headcase into the roster just because they're afraid the WWA or Jeff Jarrett's PPV brand will use him.

 

Do I even need to point out how short-sighted and dangerous this is?

 

The guy hasn't wrestled a solid match since he roided up to Michelin Man proportions, is a complete madman backstage, and gives Warrioresque promos which do nothing except drive home the point that what he thinks is the English language is actually a loud, mangled form of Martian. And he's got a bum foot.

 

Yeah, the Fed's afraid of the potential loss of the Rock to the Hollywood scene, the rumour that Angle might take time out to train for the 2004 Olympics, not to mention the deterioration of superstars like Austin and the UT, but how much star power does a guy like Steiner really have? Yes, he's big, and yes, he's a believable monster, but is that enough to draw, much less carry out a watchable match? The guy's gotta be about 40 by now. He's not getting any younger, more flexible, or more talented. And as much as they wish it were so, that drop foot syndrome ain't going away. So why shell out for him to compensate for the short term, when you have tons of potential already in your midst?

 

They say he's slated for Smackdown. Great. Just another juiced up old-timer clogging the upper card while more talented and more deserving folks like Angle and Jericho have to fight tooth and nail just to get meaningful TV time. These guys are the future of this industry. And for Vince and Co. to even think of bringing in Steiner just smacks of desperation and clouded thinking.

 

Did I mention he's injured?

 

I try to look past the comparisons to wCw only because it pains me to think how close they are to self-destruction. But this wave of unending dinosaurs returning to the ring doesn't give me much hope. Obviously I'll still watch, but will it be with the same enthusiasm? Especially when Steiner comes in and wallops up and comers in the name of establishing himself in the uppercard?

 

I just don't know...

[Guest Singular]

The only reason I can think of as to why they would pursue Steiner so hard is the samne reason the brought in the NWO.  Name value.  

Just think about the possible "dream match" between HHH and Scott Steiner.  Steroids on a pole match anyone?

[Guest Special K]

Besides having a tremendous look (which seems of paramount importance today, not something I agree with) He is one of the only true heels today, his promos are better than Warrior's (though they're garbled.) And if he's healthy, he can be carried to great matches because hw doesn't blow up too quick, and has a great power offense. I don't see him as the end-all and be-all, but I think he's certainly better than any of the current nWo members.

[Guest Human Fly]

Does anyone know when they actually plan to bring Steiner in. As long as they don't sign Rick Steiner I don't really have that big of a problem with this. I didn't see any of his WWA matches so I don't know what he's been like. I will say this though: if they stick him in the World Title scene right now it would be awful. Hogan, Undertaker, HHH, and Steiner?!?!?! Ugghh. I don't know if he could have a good match with Stone Cold because I wonder if Austin's neck could take Steiner's offense. Jericho and Steiner could be good if Steiner would sell, but you know how well the WWF likes to have heel v. heel. That leaves the The Rock. Who knows how good this match would be, but if it's one of Rock's first matches back it would have good heat.

[Guest razazteca]

Scott Steiner would be better used as the next member of nWo, he's a scary, fowl mouth, evil heel with some catch phrases even though they are stolen from 2Pac.  Steiner vs Austin and maybe Steiner vs Undertaker or Steiner vs Hogan, Steiner vs HHH.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Apparently, the WWF gave Steiner another physical and "cleared him to wrestle", even though it's obvious the guy's gonna be limited by his "drop foot syndrome" whatever that is. So they're interested in bringing in yet another old, broken down, trouble-making headcase into the roster just because they're afraid the WWA or Jeff Jarrett's PPV brand will use him."

 

Cutting off your competition's air supply is good business.

 

"Do I even need to point out how short-sighted and dangerous this is?"

 

Yes you do, because I don't agree.

 

"The guy hasn't wrestled a solid match since he roided up to Michelin Man proportions,"

 

Steiner has wrestled some decent big-man/power matches with guys like Goldberg, DDP, and Booker T. Not classics of course, but **-*** stuff.

 

"is a complete madman backstage,"

 

Can't have a post without mentioning the word "backstage" at least once now, can we?

 

"and gives Warrioresque promos which do nothing except drive home the point that what he thinks is the English language is actually a loud, mangled form of Martian."

 

Steiner's promos are pretty good for the character he presents, and I've never had a problem understanding them. At least he doesn't use a boring, monotone delivery.

 

"And he's got a bum foot."

 

A very valid point, but that's why the WWF has doctors (you know, guys that went to medical school, not kids with keyboards) to advise them about such things.

 

"Yeah, the Fed's afraid of the potential loss of the Rock to the Hollywood scene, the rumour that Angle might take time out to train for the 2004 Olympics, not to mention the deterioration of superstars like Austin and the UT, but how much star power does a guy like Steiner really have?"

 

Steiner isn't really a draw on his own, but he's a recognisable name, and will probably provide decent cost-return balance.

 

"Yes, he's big, and yes, he's a believable monster, but is that enough to draw, much less carry out a watchable match?"

 

Carrying out a watchable match doesn't have anything to do with drawing.

 

"The guy's gotta be about 40 by now. He's not getting any younger, more flexible, or more talented."

 

The same thing applies to Booker T, and yet I hear people calling him a "young star" and talking about him being pushed to the main event all the time.

 

"And as much as they wish it were so, that drop foot syndrome ain't going away."

 

Please cite the doctorate that qualifies you to make that determination.

 

"So why shell out for him to compensate for the short term, when you have tons of potential already in your midst?"

 

Probably because Vince thinks it makes sense financially, and he's been right more than he's been wrong in that area in recent years.

 

"They say he's slated for Smackdown. Great. Just another juiced up old-timer clogging the upper card while more talented and more deserving folks like Angle and Jericho have to fight tooth and nail just to get meaningful TV time."

 

"Fight tooth and nail" hah. Angle gets an in-ring promo on every episode of Smackdown, while both Jericho and Angle have been staples of Smackdown's main event since the split.

 

"These guys are the future of this industry. And for Vince and Co. to even think of bringing in Steiner just smacks of desperation and clouded thinking."

 

People said the same thing about Hogan. Look at the NWO and WM-X8 buyrates for an instant rebuttal.

 

"Did I mention he's injured?"

 

Yes you did, and once again there are qualified (as in know what they are talking about) medical personnel to determine if he can work.

 

"I try to look past the comparisons to wCw only because it pains me to think how close they are to self-destruction."

 

LOL, this one gets funnier every time I read it. Pick up one of the WWF's quarterly or year-end financial reports to see how deluded this line of thinking really is.

 

"But this wave of unending dinosaurs returning to the ring doesn't give me much hope. Obviously I'll still watch, but will it be with the same enthusiasm? Especially when Steiner comes in and wallops up and comers in the name of establishing himself in the uppercard?"

 

Vince doesn't book the WWF for your personal enjoyment, he books to emphasize what they think will entertain the largest number of people while alienating the fewest. Hell, take last week's Tough Enough. All I heard on the net was about how much it sucked and how it wasn't about wrestling, and when the ratings for it came out it did the best number of the year.

[Guest]

I think they should probably sign Steiner and put him with the nWo to actually make them look like a Force to be reckoned with. Think about it they have Four members 1. Scott Hall when Scott's not in rehab He actually isn't that bad a wrestler 2. X-pac all i can say is he sucks 3. Kevin Nash heres a big fat and lazy piece of crap. 4. The Big Show The only reason Shows there is because they need someone big fat and lazy to take Nash's Place. But with Steiner they might actually bring some credibility back to the nWo.

[Guest]

Let Steiner run through the crowd and do to Lesnar what he's been doing to everyone else. DESTROY HIM. I wouldn't bitch about a few matches between the two. Have Steiner say Lesnar is a rip off of himself.

[Guest]

Hogan Made Wrestling... sometimes I think you're one of the only smarks on here that actually doesn't speak out your ass

 

Why sign Steiner? He's marketable. Plain and simple. He's got an awesome look. His mic skills aren't that bad. And his ring skills aren't terrible either. Watch the last Nitro match with Booker T. It was at least a *** match, and he had serious back problems then too. As for his backstage reputation... guess what? In case you guys haven't heard yet, this is the WWF trying to sign Steiner, not a reincarnation of WCW. If Steiner tries to pull alot of BS, then guys like the Undertaker will be the first to stop him... or better yet, guys like Vince will be the first to fire him.

[Guest Tony149]

I wouldn't mind if they signed Scott Steiner. Maybe it's because I was a Steiner Brothers fan (Don't care for Rick that much anymore). He gives that crazy "I'll do whatever the fuck I want" feel. I actually enjoy his promos.

[Guest Special K]

Another thing to consider, there aren't many serious heels that can get heat anymore. The nWo are still trying the tweener stuff, Jericho and Angle are more serious now, but are still partly comedic figures. Most over, badass heels eventually have to be turned face because people start to love them. Look at HHH after his initial big heel run and Undertaker now to confirm this. Steiner played the badass for a long time in WCW, drew massive heat, and really no face response. That's a rarity nowadays.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Another thing to consider, there aren't many serious heels that can get heat anymore. The nWo are still trying the tweener stuff, Jericho and Angle are more serious now, but are still partly comedic figures. Most over, badass heels eventually have to be turned face because people start to love them. Look at HHH after his initial big heel run and Undertaker now to confirm this. Steiner played the badass for a long time in WCW, drew massive heat, and really no face response. That's a rarity nowadays.

Looking to HHH to see a heel who was cheered into being a face?  Try the WWF SHOVING him into a face role?

 

Looking to Taker, who just REFUSES to play a heel role?  'Cause thats why he's a face.

 

Rock, Austin, those guys were heels until people wanted to cheer them.  HHH?  No way.  He's getting bossman heat.  And Taker, he's just a mess.  They pop for Limp Bizkit, not the Taker.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Looking to HHH to see a heel who was cheered into being a face?  Try the WWF SHOVING him into a face role?"

 

Go back to 2000 and watch as he slowly went from heel to face over the course of his feuds with Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit. He turned heel again during the who hit Austin angle.

 

Also, check out the Austin-Rock cage match the night after WM-X7. The crowd was rabid for HHH and he would have been a mega face had he turned there against Austin and Vince rather than joining them.

[Guest muzanisa]

I'd like to see Steiner in. He's believable, looks like a monster, I like his promos and he can have good matches.

[Guest notJames]

"[steiner] is a complete madman backstage,"

 

Can't have a post without mentioning the word "backstage" at least once now, can we?

This isn't about the politicking that goes on behind the curtain... I'm talking about all the incidents where Steiner has physically assaulted people backstage. Greasing palms to get better footing in the uppercard is one thing... having to work with a loose cannon is another.

 

The guy's gotta be about 40 by now. He's not getting any younger, more flexible, or more talented."

 

The same thing applies to Booker T, and yet I hear people calling him a "young star" and talking about him being pushed to the main event all the time.

 

I'm not one of them. I think the midcard is right where he belongs.

 

"And as much as they wish it were so, that drop foot syndrome ain't going away."

 

Please cite the doctorate that qualifies you to make that determination.

 

Drop foot syndrome is a chronic injury that can only be treated, never cured. It's a condition where you can't flex your toes, making things like standing and walking difficult and sometimes impossible. Steiner could wear a brace for it, but he'd never be 100%.

 

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As far as most of your other retorts, they are, as are mine, opinions based on personal observations. From what I've seen of Steiner's most recent work, I'm not impressed. You, among the other responders, have a more positive opinion of him. I guess I'm in the minority, but that's cool. We're all free to express our opinions, right?

 

If/when Vince does decide to bring in Steiner, I'll be hoping his impact is a positive one, for the sake of this obsession I call North American wrestling. But I wouldn't put money on it...

[Guest Risk]

I'm REALLY hoping for a number two promotion to come up soon.  Someone needs to chop down Vince's ego.  It's scary how much McMahon becomes like Bischoff every day...just like it is scary the WWF is slowly becoming WCW every day.

[Guest Singular]

Steiner's promo's were golden.  He's got way more intensity than HHH.  IS WWF planning on bringin Midaja in as well.  She was good with Steiner.

[Guest El Satanico]

I enjoyed Steiner in WCW he played the loose cannon role to perfection. Which of course with him i don't think it was just an act. But he may have cut back on the roids since his injuries which i'm sure wasn't helped by the roid use so his backstage mayhem may not be as bad. I didn't see the WWA ppv so can anyone that has seen tell me if Steiner wasn't as massive as he was in WCW last few years. If he's smaller he'd be alot better since he would actually be able to show his wrestling talent again.

 

However i don't have much confidence in anything WWF does so i doubt that they will use Steiner correctly. Steiner will come in and destroy people for two weeks then WWF will have HHH treat him like a jobber like they had Austin do to nWo and kill any "heat" he had.

 

Since we all know WWF won't let Steiner do what he's good at for long i don't see the point of bringing him in.

[Guest]

Steiner has an awesome look, a 'legendary' name, and a sweet character; why not bring him in for kicks? Vince and Co. love to throw as much shit at the wall as they can, maybe Steiner will stick (Note: Shit = stuff, not shitty wrestlers). Midaja (or whatever) is a babe, A+.

[Guest]

This isn't about the politicking that goes on behind the curtain... I'm talking about all the incidents where Steiner has physically assaulted people backstage. Greasing palms to get better footing in the uppercard is one thing... having to work with a loose cannon is another.

Yeah but this is the WWF not the WCW. I very highly doubt Vince and the boys will put up with Steiner's attitude if he decides to bring it along with him. In the WCW, there were no locker room leaders like the WWF has today.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I think the WWF should sign him but in my opinion the biggest downside to this acquisition is the fact that people talk about his "look." The man is on steroids. You are kidding yourself if you think that he's not. My concern is not so much the fact that he's on steroids, it's the fact that everyone will become desensitized to the huge, monster wrestlers. The Undertaker lost his niche as a big man when they started bringing in all of the big guys (Kane, Big Show, Albert etc.,). If everyone is big, being big loses it's uniqueness. Think about this: There's Triple H and Brock Lesnar already. Ron Waterman supposedly looks like Steiner and he's in OVW with Jindrak and O'Haire. People want Goldberg and Steiner to be signed. That's a lot of huge guys right there.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

"Looking to HHH to see a heel who was cheered into being a face?  Try the WWF SHOVING him into a face role?"

 

Go back to 2000 and watch as he slowly went from heel to face over the course of his feuds with Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit. He turned heel again during the who hit Austin angle.

 

Also, check out the Austin-Rock cage match the night after WM-X7. The crowd was rabid for HHH and he would have been a mega face had he turned there against Austin and Vince rather than joining them.

Yeah. But he didnt go face then. He went face with the comeback in January.

 

And that was all because Angle was bigger at the time, and they wanted to see him steal Steph from Trips.  

 

Besides, when he *did* have that 4 weeks or so of face pops, he lost ALL his edge.  Unlike Austin.  Who's better as a heel anyways.

[Guest 1000 Faces]

You've gotta remember this when you talk about Steiner's "attitude": he sucked it up and wrestled a match he almost certainly shouldn't have wrestled on the last Nitro, amazingly had a good match, and made Booker T look like a million bucks by putting him over crisp and clean with no caffeine (bro), REALLY impressing the WWF in the process.  By all accounts, the match he had with Nathan Jones (a green rookie) wasn't too bad on the WWA PPV, so in the ring, it seems as if he can still go, particularly when he believes he has something to prove (which he would if he went to the WWF, and he'd know it).  His mic skills are gold, IMO, and when it comes to marketability ... well, if you can't catch the whiff of pure money around the guy, you just ain't smellin' hard enough.

 

Later on ...

[Guest El Satanico]

Well i don't know that Steiner actually has a bad attitude. I mean if he had a bad attitude you hear about stuff like him refusing to do what was asked of him not just about him attacking someone. I always thought it just sounded like he has more of a bad temper(roid rage if you weeeil) then an attitude problem.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Steiner was all right and everything, but he's not really anything that the WWF doesn't have right now, except for a decent heel.  It's easy to look back and see how over he was in WCW, but he was also a big fish in a small pond.

 

That being said, I think it definitely wouldn't be bad business if they brought him in to inject some life into the nWo.

[Guest gwf0704]

Scott Steiner is not just a decent heel, he is an excellent heel.  That is why the WWF needs to bring him in, not to satisfy all the purists in the smarkboard community who want to see Benoit vs Jericho main event every night, but to inject some life into the fed!  Everyone is cheered somewhat in the WWF but with Steiner you can bring in someone who fans will hate!  His promos are gold, especially when he is ripping on the fans as he says things that are anti-fan.  Also his mannerisms, work rate and attitude are so unique as he does not do moves or flex for the fans (he flexes for himself mostly)

as the majority of the time he projects an almost utter disdain for fans, which the WWF needs right now.  Imagine a roided up Steiner in the NWO calling out Hogan, Austin, HHH and Rock and calling them B*tches, A**holes and the like.  Even if it is for the short term his attitude and wrestling skills (say what you will Steiner haters he still can suplex with the best of them) would only inject some life into the Fed.

 

As for the backstage stuff I dont care as I am not privy to it or see what happens backstage.  I see what is presented on PPV or tv thus that is my main concern.  Who Steiner would hang out and have beers with or who HHH hates is really not an issue to me.

[Guest]

Yeah I wonder how many curses Steiner can work into a 15 min interview and the best part about Steiner is that when the guy makes a threat.... it looks like he can back it up and that you really... really don't want to piss him off, unless you can run faster than he can because if not you are going to die.  Painfully.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Hell if I know what the big deal with him is.

 

His matches aren't great, his promos aren't great and supposedly he's a horror in the locker-room.

 

Why don't they just elevate some of their mid-carders like Edge or RVD instead of paying a million dollars to bring him in?

[Guest Dace59]

Scott was great... many years ago, back when he wasn't totally bulked up, when he could still move, when he'd bust out the Frankensteiner all the time, when he'd SEEM to invent 3 new suplexes or ways to drop guys on the mat every match.. But that doesn't happen any more.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I don't see the fascination with anything about scott steiner. They don't need another guy like that in their main events. He's like hhh but bigger and slower. Fuck him. Benoit's coming back, and when rock gets back the last thing they need is this asshole. Again, fuck him.