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The Nature of Relief Pitching

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EVIL~! alkeiper

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I should have included this in my discussion regarding Hall of Fame relievers. How many relievers should go in the Hall? It is my firm belief that relief pitchers are simply not as good as starting pitchers. Why should a mediocre pitcher go ahead of a very good pitcher simply because he was placed in an easier role?

 

Easier role? Yes, there is a lot of talk placed upon the closer pitching in such a high pressure role, and how crucial he is to a team. The closer is important, no doubt. But the fact is that nearly all closers are pitchers who failed miserably as starting pitchers, if they even held that role. Hall of Fame reliever Rollie Fingers went 7-17 as a starter. Goose Gossage went 9-22. Lee Smith went 0-5 in six starts. Eric Gagne has a 4.68 career ERA as a starter. Mariano Rivera's ERA as a starter was 5.94.

 

There's an obvious bias at work. Relievers tend to be starters before their prime, and if they were great starters they wouldn't have been moved. Just out of curiosity, I wanted to take a look at starters, as relievers. This is more difficult because great starters in this era almost never make relief appearances. Ace starters in the dead ball era, such as Christy Mathewson and Mordecai Brown, used to double as their teams' relief ace.

 

David Wells made 171 relief appearances as a reliever. Wells had a 3.23 ERA as a reliever, compared to 4.13 as a starter. Pedro Martinez's ERA in 67 relief appearances is a paltry 2.18. There are a few counter examples. Curt Schilling had a lower ERA in the rotation. Again, there's a lot of statistical noise though.

 

What amazes me looking at pitchers like Gagne is that more teams do not make relievers out of their failed starting pitching prospects. The Cincinnati Reds just gave up two starting position players largely for bullpen help. Instead of paying top dollar for relievers, why not try to produce some of your own? A guy like John Stephens, ineffective in the rotation, could become the next Stu Miller.

 

There's room for relievers in the Hall. However, voters must be VERY selective. The current trend of allowing one every few years is wise. It's better to be frugal now than to elect many and make some irreversible mistakes.

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We're still dealing with the 2-3 inning closers getting in. Gossage should be the next to make it. After that, it's the one inning specialists. I don't see anyone but Mariano Rivera being really deserving.

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When I saw your entry title I was going to ask you your opinion of that Reds trade. I still am. So what of it, hippie -- how bad did they get hosed, if they got hosed at all?

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We're still dealing with the 2-3 inning closers getting in. Gossage should be the next to make it. After that, it's the one inning specialists. I don't see anyone but Mariano Rivera being really deserving.

I don't think the closers of that era were better or worse than today, just different. Managers have found that using relievers in shorter stints makes them more effective. I think two things hold back Gossage. One, he went 9-17 in a starting season in 1976, exposing his limitations. Second, he gave up two big home runs in clinching games against the Royals in 1980 and the Tigers in 1984. Those high profiles losses hurt his image.

 

Before I continue, let me elaborate on the two home runs. The first occurred in game three of the 1980 ALCS. The Royals led the series 2-0, but the Yankees held a 2-1 lead going into the seventh. Gossage came in relief with a runner on, gave up a single, and then fed a fastball to George Brett who deposited it into the third deck. The Royals won the game and the series. George Brett never saw a fastball the rest of his career.

 

The second came in game five of the 1984 World Series, with the Tigers holding a 3-1 series lead. The Tigers led 5-4 in the bottom of the eighth inning. Gossage walked the first batter, had the second reach on a FC sacrifice (both runners safe), and then Alan Trammell bunted the runners to second and third. Sparky Anderson held a mound conference, and Gossage insisted that he would pitch to Gibson with one out and first base open. Gibson hit a three run shot, sealing the series.

 

Rivera's in, there is no doubt. Hoffman's borderline, but he's a guy who was very good for a long time. He was never especially dominate, at least no more than Armando Benitez or Keith Foulke. The difference is that Hoffman pitched a long time. The problem is that these pitchers have pitched VERY few innings relative to other Hall of Famers. Bruce Sutter will have the least innings pitched of any Hall of Famer when inducted, with 1,042. Hoffman has about 850. Rivera will have about 1,000 after this season, if you count the postseason.

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When I saw your entry title I was going to ask you your opinion of that Reds trade. I still am. So what of it, hippie -- how bad did they get hosed, if they got hosed at all?

They got hosed, but not badly. Kearns isn't a big loss because they have Chris Denorfia ready to fill in. They got a decent haul, including four of the Nats' top prospects (they also got Brandon Watson via waivers). This could turn out well in the long run. Short term though, it may cost them the wild card.

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