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The X-Division angle with Kevin Nash

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Hunter's Torn Quad

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Can someone give me any reason to believe that this angle has any potential upside?

 

Kevin Nash is one of the most selfish, lazy and unproductive individuals that wrestling has ever seen, and that covers a lot of ground. Everyone knows how arrogant and self-centered he is, and yet TNA, for some reason that defies all logic, is using Nash in angle that essentially buries the X-Division. How does that make any kind of sense?

 

“Ah, but it’s going to end with Nash putting Chris Sabin over?”

 

Has nobody seen Nash’s idea of ‘putting someone over’? If you want to see a prime example of how Nash ‘puts someone over’, go and watch a tape of Rey Mysterio pinning him on Nitro a few years ago. Did that help Rey at all? Did it get Rey any more over than he was before? No, it didn’t. It buried him even further and he wound up getting pinned by Nash clean anyway just a few weeks later, so if Rey got anything out of that it was all for nothing anyway.

 

How is this angle getting over the X-Division, when it seems to involve Nash coming out every week and burying the X-Division? While the weaknesses he points out do have a grain of truth to them, the absolute last thing you ever do to a division that is the cornerstone of your promotion, or at least meant to be, is have a guy portrayed as a superstar, and a heel at that, bring them up and talk about them at length. For one thing, it’s beyond stupid to bring up and highlight the flaws of any of the wrestlers that are meant to be a major part of your company, and it’s also stupid for a heel to say anything that the fans, deep down, know are true. Heels are meant to lie. They aren’t meant to say things that the crowd, however reluctantly they might want to, have to admit are true. But that’s just typical Nash; playing the cool heel, saying all the hel things but doing it with a wink and a nod and getting the people to cheer him. Heels are not meant to do that sort of thing, and Nash is supposed to be a heel.

 

And let’s even assume that, by some freak occurrence, Nash really does put Sabin over. So what? All he did was a beat someone who openly and proudly admits to being mediocre and past it. How is beating someone like that meant to do anything for Sabin or anyone else? And even if Nash could somehow still go, what does beating him really do to get someone over to any degree, especially after the burial his division has suffered leading up to the ‘big’ moment? Beating Nash doesn’t do anything for anyone, and this angle is just so insufferably stupid and inane that I can’t believe that TNA are going through with it, as they have enough people on staff who watched this same bullshit happen in WCW to know what the end result will be, and I can’t believe that there are actually people out there who think this angle is a good angle to run.

 

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Coffey

To be honest, outside of Joe/Daniels/Styles, the X-Division can't get over on their own anyway, so why not do this with Nash? He's a big name and it's not like the "burial" of someone like Sabin is going to cost TNA a lot of money anyway.

 

I know it's Nash. I know it's going to turn out bad. I just don't really care because, as a fan, we don't really have any investment in the Sabin, Lethal, Dutt or Bentley's of TNA. None of them have any character. Hopefully, this'll give them a little character. I'm sure they'll look horribly inferior in some way or another but maybe, just maybe, they'll develop a little bit OUTSIDE of the ring.

 

If not? Well, the comedy factor is there. I'm sure we'll get blown spots and blown quads ahoy.

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To be honest, outside of Joe/Daniels/Styles, the X-Division can't get over on their own anyway, so why not do this with Nash?

 

Because it's bad enough to mock what you openly market as one of the cornerstones of your promotion, but to do it in a manner that people, albeit reluctantly, can agree with is downright idiotic. The last thing a heel should be doing is saying things that the people can agree with.

 

He's a big name and it's not like the "burial" of someone like Sabin is going to cost TNA a lot of money anyway.

 

I'm sure that same sort of justification was made when rising stars like Benoit, Mysterio or Jericho were buried in WCW. One of the absolute worst things you can do is put a guy who has the potential to be one of your future top stars in an angle that can only destroy his credibility. This lesson should have been learned in WCW, and Nash should know this one from first hand experience of putting into in action, but it's amazing that people still cannot, or will not, see this one.

 

I know it's going to turn out bad. I just don't really care because, as a fan, we don't really have any investment in the Sabin, Lethal, Dutt or Bentley's of TNA.

 

How about investing in them as people who could be a significant part of the future of TNA? How about investing in them as people who could help be part of an alternative to WWE?

 

None of them have any character. Hopefully, this'll give them a little character.

 

Like how putting that wig on Goldberg or making him into a bumbling fool gave him a little character?

 

I'm sure they'll look horribly inferior in some way or another but maybe, just maybe, they'll develop a little bit OUTSIDE of the ring.

 

Developing something outside of the ring doesn't mean anything when their credibility has been destroyed.

 

If not? Well, the comedy factor is there. I'm sure we'll get blown spots and blown quads ahoy.

 

Nevermind that a cornerstone of the promotion is being treated as a joke and that people who could carry TNA in the future are having their credibility destroyed, because at least we're getting some cheap laughs.

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We already have alternatives to WWE. That's what Puro, current TNA and ROH are for. Not to mention older wrestling and other indies. If you mean a national alternative that marks can watch, then you need the Nash's, Sting's and Steiner's to be there.

 

If TNA wanted us, as fans, to care about Sabin, Dutt, etc. they'd give us a reason to care about them. I'm not going to give a shit because they *might* become something months or even years down the road. If Sabin wins against Nash at the PPV, that's a step in the right direction to making people care about him. It doesn't matter how many wins he gets over other people that no one cares about.

 

I think the Nash storyline is the best thing going in TNA right now with Joe/Steiner coming in second. I know about Nash's past and I know how this'll likely turn out...but I'm not on the TNA creative team, so I can't do anything about it. I'm going to watch it pan out and enjoy it while it happens. If/When it turns out bad, then I'll shit all over it. Wrestling is all about "what have you done for me lately?" Nash, in the past, sucked, but currently, he's making me laugh and enjoy iMPACT! on a weekly basis. Sabin cut a decent promo on Nash last week. I want to see the match. I think, so far, they're doing a good job.

 

You certainly make good points, especially if the past is any indication. I'm just still on a wait-and-see basis because I'm willing to believe that Nash has changed. I think he does probably want to do the right thing for TNA...if for no other reason than because then he'll be a part of a relevant wrestling promotion again.

 

Nevermind that a cornerstone of the promotion is being treated as a joke and that people who could carry TNA in the future are having their credibility destroyed, because at least we're getting some cheap laughs.

 

First of all, it was obvious my statement that you responded to here was a joke but since you took it seriously, I will too, just for the sake of trying to make conversation:

 

The "cornerstone of the promotion" isn't being treated as a joke. The cornerstone of the promotion is no longer the X-Division. It hasn't been for quite some time. Nash is a heel and is bad-mouthing the X-wrestlers. A lot of heels say things that the fans can agree with, they just do it in a condescending and cocky manner like Nash, so they come off as asses, thus, you boo them. That's why Ventura was such a great color man. He'd point that shit out. "You may not like him, but he make a good point, Gorilla!"

 

I'd say the cornerstone of the promotion, right now, is Sting, Christian, Steiner, Jarrett & Joe. The main event scene. Especially with the big King of the Mountain coming up. Excluding Joe whom seems to be moving onto the main event scene, you're left with really just Styles/Daniels as far as the X-Division goes, and they've been doing tag matches.

 

I also don't think the credibility of the X workers is being destroyed. So far, Nash had cut some promos insulting them and knocking them down. Even if you can agree with what he's saying, he's a heel, he's supposed to insult and knock down the faces. Outside of that, he's hit Jackknife Powerbombs on wrestlers that have already been defeated and it's all been postmatch where they can't defend themselves.

 

I don't have any problems with how things have panned out so far. Honestly, I think the only reason you're so against it is because of what Nash has done in the past. Just watch it for what it is then go off on it if it turns out like you speculate it will, not before.

 

Also, I think this would make a good topic instead of just a blog entry. Maybe make a topic about it at NMB?

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