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I always thought that guys like Scotty 2 Hotty and Val Venis exemplified JTTS during the end of their runs with WWE. Jobbers are the guys who elicit the reaction "Who is this guy?" JTTS's are the guys who elicit the reaction "He's still employed?" JTTS job on RAW, Nitro, SD, etc. But they win in dark matches, on Velocity and Worldwide, etc. In this day and age your typical jobber is probably the champ of your local fed. It's all a matter of exposure.

I was actually concerned about how the early days of Nitro will go since we're getting close to the Horsemen reformation, which obviously is Benoit/Woman heavy (everyone's talking about Benoit getting edited out, but don't forget that they took Woman out completely of the History of ECW, too). How quickly did Nitro take over the flagship spot? Did a lot of storyline development still happen on WCWSN for a while, or did they shift almost immediately over to the Nitro?

Didn't this turn out to be the Goldberg heel turn? It was intended to be the announcement of Mandalay Sports Entertainment buying WCW for 600 mil which would have put them in a spot to potentially finally kill off Vince's company for good...that fell through, so they went on with the Goldberg turn. I thought the Mandalay deal was closer to 2001, while the heel turn was GAB 2000 (June).

Who are some of the wrestlers who are well known, but when you think about it, really have no classic or identifiable matches (or feuds) to their name? The 1st one that comes to mind for me is Booker T. Aside from his WCW "Best of" series with Benoit, what has he really done (aside from jobbing to HHH at WM XIX when a large portion of the audience thought it would be his time)? None of his Harlem Heat feuds or matches stand out, his run as WCW champ was nothing special, and aside from the Goldust skits and King Booker, you really can't point to a match or feud and say, "This is what Booker T is all about."

Didn't this turn out to be the Goldberg heel turn?

The History of ECW shows on 24/7 won't be as fun without the wacky interplay b/w Tazz and Styles.

Here's a few off the top of my head who had very limited time: Key (Vic Grimes) Stephanie's trainer Buff Bagwell Mad Maxine Scott Hudson

A few times last night, for the 1st time I can recall I actually was wondering, "OK, is all of this really necessary?"

Yeah, I thought that was all pretty low of them to do, even if Jeff and Matt agreed to it. This whole WM doesn't seem to have a very "fun" atmosphere about it. So much of it is pretty dark.

So how exactly was last night's ending PG again? It actually got a bit uncomfortable to watch after a bit.

Now that I think about it, I've always felt that the whole concept, formation, and execution of Evolution was contrived. It just didn't seem natural at all, and was obviously "HHH trying to have 4 Horsemen glory."

In a different twist on the "It's not the 25th anniversary till next year" deal, do you think anyone actually had the balls to point out the obvious to Vince?

I was at a sports bar for SummerSlam 99, and one of the loudest pops of the evening was when Test pinned Shane for the 3 count in the Love Her or Leave Her match. I know it might seem overstated, but for that match and that moment Test was mega-over.

RVD, we're looking at you.

I've never understood why the crowd pops so hard when a face wins a title match via DQ or count-out. What's the point of winning the match (esp. when it's nothing you did that won the match for you) if you didn't win the title? See: Luger vs. Yoko, Summerslam '93

I have to disagree here. I remember that when Brock faced Big Show at the prior Survivor Series, I was thinking it would be then when he would bust out the SSP, with Big Show being so heavy to get into position for the F5. But it was also around that time when I started saying to my friends, "Angle/Brock is the WM money match, just watch." So when the match did happen, it was all kinds of epic in my opinion. We all knew Brock could hit the SSP (there had been footage floating around of him in OVW nailing it), so when he went up at the end for the coup d'grace, it should have been a moment for the ages. Instead, it came across as someone who was trying something he couldn't do, and it really deflated the whole aura of the match. We all know it's worked, but when a move that's so contrived doesn't deliver, it kind of shatters the illusion.

This is the 1st I've ever heard of it. *shrug*

It's not so much siding with a heel, since both guys were faces, but in the whole HBK/Batista feud over Flair's retirement, I thought Batista came across really badly. The issue was b/w Flair and HBK, and somehow Batista took it upon himself to pass judgment.

Like I already said, I imagine it as the entrance music guy sitting backstage and playing a wrestler's music as they pass him towards the stage (Unless they tell him not to), not the wrestlers asking for it to be played. What about when music plays and then the wrestler enters from a part of the arena nowhere near the entrance, coming through the crowd or something? Does he call the music guy's cell phone? And if he wants it to be a surprise, does he sit in a supply closet with his hand over the phone, talking really quietly saying, "Hey man, go ahead and play my music, but I'm gonna be entering from somewhere else. Don't tell anyone! Man, this is gonna be neat."

I wonder if the video store will have still my free Coliseum Home Video gift if I ask for it.

And no 'tron video, either. Just a feed of the camera following him down the ramp.

More on entrance music: Somehow, the guys in the back know exactly which music to play at the end of a beatdown or heated confrontation. If you think about it, they're really forcing their will on the audience. For example: Legacy beats down Shane, HHH makes the save, agents including Rotunda and Malenko run in to help out, and HHH music places as he stands triumphant. Malenko's retired and he risked his health out there...ya ever think maybe he deserves to have his James Bond gimmick music played?!

"He took that long 2 and a half!"

Another laugh out loud moment. Thanks.

I'm going through some tough times right now and this one legitimately gave me a good, laugh out loud moment. Thank you.