Coffin Surfer

"I think that the Wilkins thing was a great one to bring up. Thats the closest you could get to the body type of Lebron, although Lebron was maybe a little taller and longer. But at the same time Jordan, at his fastest, wasn't THAT much faster than Bron. And he is a better ball handler than both of them. " I'm not so sure of that, and this is from somebody who loathes Jordan. He is a much better ball handler than Wilkins, but I don't think he is nearly as explosive a scorer or even as sharp as a jump shooter. "As for the shotblockers, I think that this is a area where the players today would excel against the older players. The older ones didn't have to deal with the freaks of nature shotblocking wise like these guys have to." McHale is kind of a prototype for the long, lean shot blockers of today and again like the rest of the Celtics, he was physical as hell in the paint. Perish was a big, strong defender as well. I don't think they'd be knocking and throwing Lebron in the stands as easily as they did Jabbar and company but I don't they would be the push overs your making them out to be for Lebron in the inside. Dennis Johnson was also about as solid on the tall and strong Magic as you could get, he just didn't have an answer for Jordan's quick soaring jumper though. "So I think that 40 points today is 60 in the 80's. And Kobes 81 was something like 110 in the 80's." Hard to gauge really. The games where you see scores like that today are usually faster than the average game.

McHale and Perish were decent shot blockers and Bird could be a sneaky one, but yeah; nobody was laying the hammer down. Still, they weren't exactly scared of getting physical on the inside and they would have alot of bodies to throw at Lebron if he just tried to bull his way in. It would take it's toll. Jordan gave them serious problems in that series because he was by far the fastest man on the court, add into his relative freshness after missing most of the regular season, and he was just blowing by people and hitting that super high pull up like it wasn't shit. Still, it took him an overtime or so to amount those 60+ points and if that's all an offensive machine like Jordan could muster than I can't see Lebron getting more. Lebron would probably due as well as Dominque did but even he had to do most of his damage with jump shooting as I recall. And unlike Jordan, Bird would probably mindfuck the sometimes shaky confidence of Lebron to death. I don't doubt Lebron could go apeshit on most anybody when he's in his groove but I don't see him getting 80 or even 60 on that Celtic team, nor do I see him having his way on the inside.

Lebron has height and muslce mass but there's few I can see effectively bullying the Celtics. He would most likely get raped on the inside if he tried to swing his weight around. Yeah, there's nobody on the Celtics that could hold Lebron one on one but it's not like they would be playing him man up anyway and I'm not sure he has the savy that Jordan had to slip around everything the Celtics were throwing at him. It would be interesting to see though, but yeah; it would be a blow out either way. And while Lebron played a great game against a very good favored team, it's not enough to overcome the mythical aura of Jordan's acrobatics against the most endured of the Bird led Celtic Championship teams. If he was to do the same thing against the Spurs it still might be enough, fair or not that's the way it is.

Because the Boxing thread needs a bump: Kessler and Calzaghe look to be coming close to a deal for the fall. This should be a really interesting fight with Kessler possibly having the youth, power, and skill to cause Joe some serious problems though I'm not certain he's quick enough. And Briggs has apparently been bested in another shit fight where he lurched around and ate punches. Why was that fight a PPV? Horrible. Sultan will at least make a better Champion with more options for interesting fights and possible unification.

Since we just had the Abbey Road Festival down here.. 5 Beatles songs that SHOULD NOT ever be covered live 1. "Happiness is a Warm Gun" -Complete butchery by a bunch of pussies. 2. "Julia" -Sing it like you mean it, or not at all. 3. "Day in the Life" -The Beatles couldn't even pull this off live if they tried. 4. "Something" -Sing like it you mean it... 5. "Wild Honey Pie" -The real one is goofy fun, this is just obnoxious 5 Beatles Covers that actually rocked 1. "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (with a long badass solo minus no moaning vocals) 2." Why Don't We Do It In The Road"(Electric) 3. "Good Night" (solo eletric guitar) 4. "Dear Prudence" (solo eletric guitar) 5. "Rocky Raccoon" (Bluesy Rock)

So I turn on ESPN and there talking how Lebron now ranks among Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan...blah, blah, blah. "This is one game, guys. One game against the lazy-ass Pistons. We can't go from "LeBron will be a very good player" to "LeBron James will be better than Jordan" in just one game. This is another symptom of instant gratification culture. Just one game. Let's bear that in mind before we ride his dick for the next three days." Exactly. Just to throw my two cents into the Jordan thing. He was great for an entire series against what was possibly the greatest Bird led Championship Celtics team. Still, evidently an awesome performance from LeBron, and what do you know they can actually show replays of him socring as opposed to the Wade crap from last year where he's just standing at a free throw line.

Well I think Lost in Translation is great. Surely, there are worse movies on here to bitch about. Austin Powers? The Matrix? Harry Potter? All three of the Lord of the Rings? SPIDERMAN 2?!? These movies have no business being considered other than they made money. And though they were nominated for oscars and sometimes won blah blah.... I think Crash, Gladiator, Sixth Sense, Three Kings, Ray, Requiem for A Dream, Shakespeare in Love, Million Dollar Baby, Brokeback...all range from bland to fucking terrible in my book. I would go with: Rushmore, LA Confidental, and yes Titanic. And if I could pick my own, "The Limey" is the best American Noir of the past several decades even if it's not about an American. Also "The Exorcist" should be added to that shit list before any new movies as there's no denying it's cultural impact as well it's importance to contemporary horror and cinema as a whole but it is a horror movie you can't disguise as a psychological or suspense so you know.

But she hadn't been released yet... Oh well. She still evidently had magic and they make a point to have her turn into the same sea crabs when she was released, implying some sort of relationship....well yeah, it's just weirdness. I don't recall the details anymore, but I do remember getting the impression it was Calypso's magic at the time it happened.

"Malone needed bitching about. " Because he was playing bad sure, not because he talked dirty to his wife or whatever they say happened. "And honestly, so did Shaq at the time. " Some stuff sure, but in so many words complaining that Shaq raped women all the time but got away with it is hardly sympathetic even if it's probably true. "But I am sure that Pat Burke bitches more (in fact I know he does) but he is Pat Burke and noone gives a shit." Well, fuck Pat Burke too. "Plus Shaq/Malone was what? 4 years ago. The dude can't bitch once every 4 years?" It's a long line in a continous thread of bitching. I recall he even had trouble with Phil Jackson after that as it's always something. Bottomline, Kobe is a drama queen. And I'm sure the media isn't blame free here but Kobe needs to be mature enough to handle the mics or simply shut the hell up.

Angela Bassett's entire career has been one giant snub. I even thought she was brilliant in "Strange Days", how the hell can you make a line as cheesy "Wake up...this is real time!" not only work but be moving. Too bad, she couldn't get the Storm role but in the long run that might have been blessing.

I'm sure Kobe has a very hard life and is a very dedicated family man...... And yeah, he has a "right" to complain but I'm certainly not gonna shed any tears for the guy. "You would complain too if you were at a dead end job." Who isn't at a dead end job in this country? A handful of CEOs, Oil Tycoons..... And if being an NBA Superstar on a successful but not Championship caliber team is Kobe's idea of a dead end job, count me in. It's great he wants to win but I don't think all this constant bitching to the media is going to help his case much. Bitch about Shaq, Bitch about Malone, Bitch about no telling who else I'm forgetting, Bitch about Conspiarcies, Bitch about the Front office, enough already!

"Ugh. He has the right to whine. The team signed him by telling him one thing and knew they were doing another." I'm sure they did, obviously they knew he would try to cut loose and run as soon as they said they wouldn't be surrounding him with A+ talent every single year. How many great players have had their primes wasted without even getting the opportutines poor Kobe has endured? Looking at the big picture, he's lucky to have had the career he's had already had and sorry, there's just something plain wrong about him bitching and moaning as much as he does. It's not fair but that's the way the NBA has always been run, and apparently crying to media isn't going to change that. I would honestly have more pity for Kobe if it wasn't for all the conspiracy theories and fueds before this.

I have to agree, the Kobe whining is getting old. For crying out loud, the guy already has more than rings than he knows what to do with. Yet we have to hear about the "Shaq fued", the evil conspiracy to sideline one of the league's top draws, and now the shit front office that can't guarentee a Championship caliber team every year. Damn them all to hell.

Thought it was decent but more than a few steps down from the first two. I suppose I'm one of the few who thought the second film was the best of the series(Come on! Flesh eating tribes, sea monsters, curses, a badass bar brawl...everything you could want out of a pirate movie.). Anyway, I loved Singapore but everything else kind of dragged on from there, and the constant side playing did grow old quick. The atmosphere wasn't as rich, the humor wasn't as a spot on, and the action set pieces were nowhere near as fresh and exciting as those from the previous films. Despite the extended running time, many of the more interesting characters had little to do, especially Jack, Jones and Barbosa. Meanwhile, Miss Swan had too much to do...eh. On the brightside: -Again, Singapore was great -Keith Richards' cameo ruled -The frozen toe scene was awesome dark comedy -The whirlpool and Beckett's death was badass -Calypso is hot and charismatic so it was nice to see her get more screen time though the crab stuff was lame "What was with those crabs carrying the Black Pearl to sea? Just doesn't make sense that a bunch of random crabs would do that. " It's fairly obvious that was Calypso.

If your into weird stuff: Captain Beefhart has quite a few odd Acapella songs with him seemingly searching for lyrics and trying out rhymes on "Trout Mask Replica." Vocal acrobats: Diamanda Galas, Mike Patton, Phil Minton, and Demetrio Stratos have all released impressive but freakish Avant Garde Acapella records.

Oddly enough, I was just watching Freaks and Geeks last night. The final was a decent wrap up of the season's arcs but hardly definitive as the characters were all kind of left in unsure places you'll doubt they stay for long. There was still so much more that could have been done with an additional season plus the show was just so damn enoyable with so many great characters that it needed more than a short single season, shame.

"What a thrilling discussion we have going on here." If The Joker isn't worth the most tedious of pointless discussion, than who is? Go read something that is thrilling, it's probably more thrilling than complaining in a thread you don't find thrilling. Seriously, I've been trying to salvage something interesting out of this(more sutble looking vs. messy Joker to continue the topic from the previous page), but it just isn't happening. "Hey, Coffin Surfer just wanted to press on the issue after I explained how the out of control look fit the traditional storyline of how Joker came to be." Sure, it could probably work. Never said it wouldn't. Like I keep saying and you keep ignoring, the Joker doesn't have to be any set way and I'm holding out before passing final judgement. Must I quote myself? My issue was your apparent argument that the more subtle looking Joker of the comics doesn't make sense in regards to his own backstory...which is just silly and I've said enough on the matter. You: "Because with a situation like Joker, who got the way he got by falling in chemical, it makes no sense for him to come out of it with a neatly arranged look. He should come out all blotchy and messy, as per with chemical burns. "

"I'm sorry if my explanation is going over your head" No, your comments just weren't adding up to anything that was remotley relevant to my original post. Get off your high horse, you didn't outwit anybody. "I like how it looks because it looks like a real serial killer with a few loose nuts in his head. Moreso than any "methodical" look that Joker could possibly have." Now if you just said this, you would have saved some considerable trouble. Instead, you tried to argue about how the traditional Joker look wouldn't make sense because you believe they are going with a traditional Joker origin story....see your not making sense. Fact is Nolan justed wanted to give him a fresh look that in his mind is probably more creepier than the traditional Joker, it has nothing to do with the internal logic of the comic book story. This is like: "I prefer the old Superman look. " "But that doesn't make sense, he came from another planet." Eh....

"You're right. But that is the direction I'm inferring from the picture posted, the one you don't like." I'm completely lost as to what your point is? The will Joker look however Nolan and company decide he will look, and I'm free to object to their vision of the character(though I stress I'm holding final judgement until the pic is put in context ). I fail to see how the Joker SHOULD look any particular way, all I know is what I prefer. BTW: The pic looks like a disfigured man wearing smeared on makeup, not chemical colored burns.

"Because with a situation like Joker, who got the way he got by falling in chemical, it makes no sense for him to come out of it with a neatly arranged look. He should come out all blotchy and messy, as per with chemical burns." Well, we don't know what backstory they are using to explain the Joker if any. Why are you so certain? Were led to believe the chemical backstory in "Killing Joke" might be true and but again, all that did was make his skin pale and dye his hair green. There was no plastic surgery or freaky disfigurement, nor is there any rule that says he has to look sloppy. Yet who knows what story they are going for in the movie? "I thought that the comic book people hated how Joker was portrayed in the original Batman movie?" Because Jack and Burton made him into a goofy power hungry clown; he also just happened to kill Bat's parents for some reason making it about simple payback. He wasn't the complex Joker character we loved in the comics.

Except the out of control look is how Joker SHOULD look. There is no SHOULD in art. What type of comment is this? Personally, I find a lunatic who looks neat and controlled far more disturbing and intresting than one that looks completely spontaneous. This has always been the creepy appeal of the Joker's look and actions, a sensible logic behind the insainty. He is crazy for sure, but he's not random. It's hard to pass judgement this early, but I don't like the direction this picture suggests.

"And truth be told, the Finals that the Spurs have played in have been so unspectacular that it's hard to rate Duncan or the Spurs highly all time since the league has been down for the past 8 years or so." I actually thought those last two Bulls Championship seasons were pretty painful too watch. You were lucky to see a 90 point game and it wasn't because every team in the league was playing god like defense those years. Just look at that Bulls team those last two years, Rodman showed up maybe one game out of ten, Jordan's offense had detoriated into push off jumpers...excuse me fadeway, Harper was a cripple, and Pippen was getting really sloppy and just plain lazy. Thanks to nagging injuries and a bad bench, the league's other powerhouse(Utah) had Byron Russell as their second offensive option for most of the season...ouch. I would favor the Spurs, Lakers, and Pistons over either of those teams. I would go so far as to say the league overall has improved to a noticable degree since the late 90s, though were still very far from reaching the level of the glory years of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Though I will say the Heat are easily the worst Championship team I can recall but that's another story.

If that's what they are going for than no sir, I don't like it. The out of control make up/chemicalwhathaveyou(as the Joker lies about his past and isn't even sure himself) gives him too much of a sloppy look; it's just too much. What is so creepy about the real Joker's look is how controlled it is, an excellent contradiction to his mad personality and in the better drawn comics his crazy eyes.

He can score all the points he wants, Malone was never the overall powerhouse that prime Barkley was. He was an excellent finisher and he benefited from the right system, John Stockton's impossibly pin point passing, and his ability to stay healthy for so long. He developed a decent jump shot but it was never something he could rely on as evident during his back to back Finals blunders. Sorry, he wasn't the offensive powerhouse his numbers reflect. Duncan may not have the points but he is obviously has more options when he touches the ball, not to mention he's a better defender/rebounder; he's also more reliable in big games. Barkley on the otherhand was a complete monster, strong finisher, could create his own shot, create for others, great in the post, strong rebounder..etc.

The best PF thing is kind of a mute point since that wasn't the original comment but remember, Larry Bird had Championship seasons at that position before moving to small forward, and I would have a hard time even arguing Duncan over McHale(who was a better post scorer and nearly as solid as a rebounder/defender) with the exception that McHale was never the go to franchise player though I don't doubt he could have been one if he wasn't on the crowded Celtic roster. But yeah, Duncan probably has the best resume of a franchise player at that position and you could easily make a case for him being the best(better than Malone for sure). Didn't prime Barkley play PF as well, never got a ring in the Bull dominated era, but people forget what a beast he used to be. Just food for thought. But again, my original point was how absurd it is to hype Duncan as the all time king of 7 footers. Please! That's as bad as the "(blank) better than Jordan at this stage of his career" bullshit the league has been shoving down our throats since MJ retired.