Dr. Tyler; Captain America

Not true. We need them to buy t-bonds to finance our debt. Our debt isn't going to suddenly decrease because the stock market is rising.

The Christian Coalition etc. qualify as insane like moveon.org.

The deficit slows economic growth and discouarges people from buying treasury bonds unless there's a high interest rate on them. In addition, the slow economic growth leads to unemployment rates rising. There are other effects that SJ could probably explain as well.

Nonetheless, veiled shots aren't coming out and declaring fraud. Republicans say a lot of wacky shit to their base, too.

Ahhhh. Aight.

Nah, they're just irrelevant in the larger scheme

That says nothing about Ohio... and it doesn't allege that there was fraud.

I think what they're saying is that the requirement wasn't made even for everyone (i.e. they asked for the IDs of black people and not white people), but I can't be sure about that. Quite frankly, it's a stupid argument. If they don't have their ID while they're DRIVING, they're too dumb to vote anyways.

Nothing. It's a red herring.

And Dean, Mike? Hillary Clinton?

Dean's quote was more that it should be looked into. Edwards is in the same boat as Kerry: irrelevant. Kucinich? rofl. Hillary Clinton? Care to share a quote? Ditto the CBC.

And this is exactly what I mean when I say you're being a partisan hack. John Kerry thinks there's voter fraud in OH. So does MoveOn.org and, perhaps, some fringe leftist representatives. Nobody else does.

woohoo, i'm eliminated. toxxic is in though.

It's supposed to be like American Idol. I dunno.

I didn't mean Michael Moore, by the way. He probably does.

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By the way, summarizing John Kerry's opinion as that of "democrats" is sort of stupid at this point. If you're using that leap of logic, you're just being an idiot partisan hack. I just noticed that when I read the beginning of this thread again.

Sure. But overall economy can't suck and yield high government revenues. The entire point of the Laffer curve is to show that government revenues go up as taxes decrease -- to a certain point. That would imply that the economy DOES increase as taxes decrease -- again, to a certain point. However, the argument is moot; we can't afford to drop taxes below the point where government revenues start to drop as well unless you expect Halliburton to field our army and school our children.

Tax rates too, Mike.

By the way, thanks for the props on the XNet boards, MVS. I appreciate it. I've thrown in votes for Toxxic, 'Drea, and Maddix in addition to myself. You can vote every half hour, I believe.

The thing is, it's called a Laffer curve. Not a Laffer line.

Yeh, I dunno, I'm not really against the EC, per se, but the people who overzealously defend it mystify me.

...isn't this an argument for a popular vote system?

Well, people could justify it by using that pesky "To promote the general welfare" line. Nonetheless, the gross amount of waste we have in the defense department isn't helping.

What an episode.