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Chad Ford has Redick falling all the way to the Nets at 22 in his latest mock draft.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2501271 Check out the SAS soundbyte...I'm listening to it right now, it's a good listen.

Larry Brown's never liked Jalen Rose...he wouldn't play him the year he coached him in Indiana, either. It's sort of odd that he wanted him on the Knicks all of a sudden. I think a lot of people confuse "overpaid" with "worthless"...there's no doubt Rose is overpaid, but he can still add plenty to a basketball team. I also think people have really underrated him since he was in Chicago. He couldn't handle the pressure of leading a team, but there never seemed to be a problem with him with the Pacers or Raptors, where he didn't have to do as much.

It was a sweep, actually.

There's no way we'll get a mock draft done in two days, though.

btw, this is the greatest headline ever. http://www.insidehoops.com/

If we end up doing it, I got Indy, obv.

How many times do people in the orginizations have to say JO/Marion/Gordon aren't getting traded before people accept it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with speculating, but geez. As far as the mock draft goes, I never watch college basketball except for the tournament, but I'd be willing to give it a shot. I'd just have to go by ESPN's info. I'm assuming we'd all choose our favorite team and we'd just pick for those teams?

I have to admit that I miss Walton and Tolbert together on commentary. I haven't heard them do a game together in a while. I watched the clincher of the '03 Finals during the ESPNC marathon a couple weeks back, and they're a lot better together than that one black guy who usually is with Walton now. ("Snapper" Jones?) *cut to champagne bottles in the locker room* Walton: What is that? Tolbert: Cider, Bill. Hot apple cider.

Send the matches to me, btw.

So, Laker fans are bandwagoners, but the Nets and Knicks are both faces to you.

Reject stalks Alf in a corner as the third fall begins. *DING DING DING* Reject pounces immediately, stomping away at Alf in the corner. Reject then drags Alf out of the corner and into the middle of the ring, backing up and hitting a nice dropkick! COLE Great dropkick by Reject, as he maintains control into the third and deciding fall! Alf rolls to the outside of the ring, and Reject follows. Reject delivers a couple stomps, then grabs Alf and whips him into the steel steps! Reject then rolls back into the ring and plays to the crowd, drawing boos. COACH He's got it under control, doesn't he? COLE Indeed he does! COACH If this keeps up, you're looking at the new champion of the world, right there! Alf slowly rolls back into the ring, and Reject picks him up and drags him into the corner, delivering a CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Reject lifts Alf's head up, then delivers a second CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Alf sinks to the mat, and Reject delivers forearms to the back of the head. Reject picks up Alf and whips him into the ropes, delivering a TILT-A-WHIRL backbreaker! COLE What a backbreaker! Cover... 1... 2... Kickout! Reject gets to his feet, and delivers a big kick to the ribs of Alf! Reject with a second kick, and Alf rolls to the outside once again. Reject again follows, and delivers a CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Alf sinks to the floor again, and Reject rolls back into the ring. Reject stands in a corner, waiting on Alf. The referee gets dangerously close to a 10-count, so Reject breaks up the count as Alf climbs onto the apron again. This time, Reject delivers a big dropkick, sending Alf off of the apron...and THROUGH THE ANNOUNCERS' TABLE~!!! COACH OH SHIT, SON! COLE Alf nearly landing right on top of us, and he's out of it! COACH Just bring him back in, Reject, and you've got it! Reject rolls to the outside and grabs Alf by the hair, tossing him back into the ring. Reject picks up Alf, and delivers a gutwrench suplex, then covers... 1... 2... NO! Alf gets a shoulder up! COLE But Alf still hanging in there! Reject questions the referee's count, then goes to the top rope. Reject waits patiently on Alf to get to his feet, then comes off with a MISSILE DROPKICK~! Cover... 1... 2... NO! Alf is too close to the ropes, and gets a foot out! Reject grabs the leg off... 1... 2... Kickout! Reject hooks both legs tight... 1... 2... Kickout! Reject quickly picks Alf up and tosses him into the corner, delivering a CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Reject then whips Alf across the ring hard, and on the rebound, catches Alf with a HURRICANRANA~! 1... 2... NO! Alf gets a shoulder up! COACH Oh my GOD, I thought he had him! Reject kneels on the mat for a second, then goes to the top once again. Reject comes off the top, but Alf gets a foot up! Reject falls to the mat, and the referee begins his count... ONE!!! TWO!!! THREE!!! FOUR!!! FIVE!!! SIX!!! SEVEN!!! EIGHT!!! Both men slowly get to their feet. COACH Where do these guys get the strength, Cole? Alf gets up into a corner, and Reject charges with a spinning wheel kick, but Alf ducks, and Reject gets hung up in the TREE OF WOE~! COACH Oh, no! COLE And Reject is all tied up, with no place to go! Alf delivers kicks to the midsection, then unties Reject, drags him to the center of the ring, and locks him in the figure-four! COLE Figure-four locked in by Alf! COACH Hang on, Reject! Reject screams in pain as he tries to reach the ropes. He lays on his back, and the referee counts... 1... 2... Reject sits up, and makes a lunge for the ropes, but can't reach them! Reject then begins to turn the hold over! COACH All right, it looks like he's going to reverse the hold! Reject swings his arm around, giving himself momentum, and turns the hold over! COLE And Reject has turned it around! Alf hangs on for a few seconds, then rolls over himself and grabs the bottom rope! The referee unties the hold, and Alf gets to his feet and delivers a BELLY-TO-BELLY~! COACH Oh, no! COLE Alf's getting cooking! Alf follows up with a T-BONE SUPLEX~!, and covers... 1... 2... NO! Reject gets a shoulder up! Alf executes a fisherman's suplex... 1... 2... NO! Reject with another kickout! Alf goes to the top rope, and waits on Reject to get to his feet. Alf attempts a flying bodypress, but Reject ducks, and Alf presses Hebner! COLE Uh-oh... COACH Now what? Reject pulls a pair of brass knuckles out of his kneepad, and hides them as he rests on his knees and head on the mat. Alf goes over to grab Reject, and is met with an uppercut! COLE Oh, come on! Reject tucks the knucks back in, and lays on Alf, as Nick Patrick slides into the ring... 1... 2... 3!!! NO!!! Alf gets a shoulder up! Reject turns over and glares at Patrick as he gets to his feet. Patrick shows him the two-sign, and Reject gets up...flooring Patrick with the EULOGY~!!!!!11111 COLE What was that? Now we're back to no referee! Alf gets to his feet, as Reject pulls the knucks back out and takes another swing...but Alf ducks, and delivers a back suplex to Reject! Hebner revives and makes the count...and a Charles Robinson also slides in... 1 (1)... 2 (2)... 3 (3)!!! *DING DING DING* COLE What's going on now? Two three-counts??? Robinson jumps up and raises Alf's hand in the air. COACH No, wait a minute! COLE Alf retains the title! Meanwhile, Hebner retrieves the belt from the ring announcer... COLE The referee with the belt now... ...and HANDS IT TO REJECT, then raises his hand!!! COLE ...WHAT??? COACH YYYYYYYESSSSSSSSSSSS!!! Reject grabs the belt in both hands, and with a wide eyed look on his face, looks into it, then jumps up, hops up onto the second buckle, and raises it in the air! BUFFER [i]The winner of the match...and NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW OAOAST Heavyweight champion of the WORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLD...RRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEJ EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT!!!!![/i] Alf immediately approaches Hebner, and grabs him by the shirt collar, motioning that he was the one who had Reject pinned. Robinson raises his hand once again. COACH No way! Charles Robinson was not the official referee for this match! It was Earl Hebner, and he declared Reject the winner and new World champion! COLE Well, it appeared that perhaps both men's shoulders were down! Hebner motions that he saw Alf's shoulders down, and counted him out, and raises Reject's hand once again. Alf and Reject jaw at one another, as the referees continue to raise their hands. Robinson then pulls Hebner aside, and the two have a discussion. COLE The referees conferring now with Michael Buffer... BUFFER [i]Ladies and gentlemen, your attention, please. On the order of OAOAST referees Charles Robinson and Earl Hebner, we will ask that a video replay of the final sequence of the match be shown on the AngleTron![/i] COACH Why? The match is over! *the replay is shown, as Reject swings and misses at Alf, then Alf applies a back suplex. Indeed, the replay shows the shoulders of both men on the mat, with Alf being counted down by Hebner, and Reject being counted down by Robinson.* COLE Well, it was clear to me that both men's shoulders were down, as the referees talk with Michael Buffer once again... BUFFER [i]Ladies and gentleman, here is the official decision. Both men's shoulders were counted to the mat for a count of three in the deciding fall, with the score tied at 1-1. As a result, this match has been ruled...a DRAW![/i] *crowd boos the shit out of the decision.* COLE/COACH :throwup: BUFFER [i]However, being that this is an OAOAST PPV event, it is in our best interest to ensure that the show must end with a definite winner![/i] *crowd cheers* BUFFER [i]Therefore, the referees have agreed that this match will be decided by a SUDDEN DEATH fall! The next wrestler to score a pinfall or submission will be the winner![/i] *crowd EXPLODES* Reject jumps Alf with the belt, then tosses it back to the middle of the ring! *DING DING DING* COLE So we go to overtime! COACH This is not right, Cole! That belt should belong to Reject right now! Reject delivers a swinging neckbreaker to Alf on the belt, then goes up to the top rope. Reject comes off the top rope for a Frog Splash, but Alf raises the belt up, and Reject lands on it! COACH And now Alf resorting to using foreign objects! COLE Wait a minute, it was Reject using the brass knuckles in the last fall almost stealing the belt! Alf gets up, then plants Reject with the WHIPLASH~! Alf then kicks the belt out of the ring, and goes to the top, coming down with the FIVE-STAR ALF SPLASH~!!!!!11111 COLE ALF HIT IT! Hebner makes the count... 1... 2... 3!!! COACH NO!!! COLE And Alf retains in the extra period! *DING DING DING* BUFFER [i]The winner in sudden death...and STILL OAOAST Heavyweight champion of the WORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLD...ALFDOGG!!!!![/i] COACH Damn it, Cole, this is not right, and you know it! Alf's not going to get away with this! *Coach throws his headset down, and puts his head in his hands in frustration.* COLE Well, whether it's right or not, Alf has in fact gotten away with it tonight, as he retains the World championship! Reject gives Alf a cold glare as he backs down the aisle with the belt in hand. Most of the fans are cheering for Alf, but some boos can be heard. COLE But you can bet Reject will be heard from again! What's going to go down this Thursday on HeldDOWN~!? For the Coach, I'm Michael Cole! Good night! [b]FADE TO BLACK[/b]

*cue graphic* The crowd goes CRAZY as the graphic appears on the screen. COLE And it's main event time, 2/3 falls! It's Alfdogg defending the Heavyweight championship of the World against a former associate, Reject! Let's go to Michael Buffer! BUFFER [i]Lllllllllllllllllllladies and gentlemen, this is the MAIN EVENT of Living Angleously![/i] *crowd cheers* BUFFER [i]It is for the OAOAST Heavyweight championship of the WORLD! And it will be contested by the best two-out-of-three falls! ARE YOU READY?[/i] *crowd cheers* BUFFER [i]Baltimore, Maryland...ARE YOU RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRREADY?[/i] *crowd cheers louder* BUFFER [i]Then for the sellout crowd here at the Baltimore Arena, and the millions and millions watching around the world, there's only one thing left to say. Ladies and gentlemen...LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET RRRRRRRREADY TO RRRRRRRRUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!![/i] *crowd cheers* [i]Renegade[/i] hits, and the lights go out. Blacklights light up the entryway as the baseline kicks in, and Reject comes through the curtains as boos fill the arena. A single spotlight leads him to the ring. BUFFER [i]Making his way to the ring at this time...hailing from New York City, and weighing in at 235 pounds! This man is a former member of the famed Deadly Alliance, and tonight, he challenges his former associate! Ladies and gentleman, the challenger! A former X-Division champion...RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT!!!!![/i] COACH How exciting is this, Cole? Reject can not only become the World heavyweight champion here tonight, but he can do it by beating his former mentor, the man who lead him in the Deadly Alliance! COLE It's certainly exciting, no question about it, huge opportunity for Reject tonight, he can climb to the top of the mountain here in the main event of the Great Angle Bash! Reject slides into the ring and poses on the buckles, drawing boos from the fans, then the boos turn to cheers as [i]Magnum Opus: Father Padilla Meets the Perfect Gnat/Howling at the Moon[/i] hits and the lights go out once again. The keyboards hit and the lights come on as Alfdogg emerges from the curtains. BUFFER [i]His opponent...weighing in at 240 pounds...he is the REIGNING and DEFENDING, TWO-TIME Heavyweight champion of the WORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLD...ALFDOGG!!!!![/i] Alf stands on the buckles and raises the belt in the air, then meets Reject and the referee in the center of the ring. REFEREE OK gentlemen. This match is for the OAOAST Heavyweight championship of the World. It is two-out-of-three falls. Falls can be decided by pinfall, submission, disqualification, or countout. The result of the final fall will decide the championship. Once a fall is scored, there will be a 30-second rest period in between falls. Good luck. Ring the bell! *DING DING DING* COLE We're underway, and you heard the referee say that the winner of the final fall decides the championship, that means that Alf could get disqualified in one fall, but if Reject pins him or makes him submit in the next fall, Alf would lose the title! Alf and Reject stare each other down, then back off. They circle the ring, and tie up. Alf grabs a side headlock, but Reject grabs him by the hair and pulls him back into the ropes. Reject whips him across the ring, then leapfrogs him, and turns and hits him with a dropkick! COLE And a great dropkick by Reject! Reject celebrates his feat, drawing boos from the crowd. Alf gets to one knee, and stares at Reject briefly before getting up and approaching him again. They tie up once again, and Alf once again grabs a side headlock. This time, Reject attempts a back suplex, but Alf flips over the back, then goes to the ropes and floors Reject with a Hart Attack clothesline! COLE And Alf answers right back! Reject hops up, and Alf meets him with another clothesline! Reject then begs off in the corner, but Alf follows him in and lays in a CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Alf with another CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Another CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Alf then climbs to the second rope, and starts punching as the crowd counts along! 1!!! 2!!! 3!!! 4!!! 5!!! 6!!! 7!!! 8!!! 9!!! 10!!! COACH And you said Baltimore didn't know how to count to ten, Cole! COLE No, I said *I* didnt... COACH What? COLE ... As Reject staggers out of the corner, Alf walks into it, then comes out with a BULLDOG~! He then delivers a snap legdrop, then gets on top of Reject and starts punching. COACH Come on ref, count him! COLE There's not going to be a disqualification here, Coach. Unlike the NBA, we allow the athletes to decide the matches! Alf picks up Reject and whips him hard into the corner, and Reject falls forward to the mat. COLE Alf on a roll here in the early going! Reject begs off in the corner once again, and Alf again follows him in, driving in two rights to the forehead, before Reject grabs a hold of pants and pulls him into the ringpost! COACH But the momentum may have been cut off right there! Alf falls through to the floor, and Reject follows. Reject picks up Alf, and delivers a CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Alf falls backwards to the floor, and Reject picks him up again. Reject picks up Alf in a slam position, and rams him back-first into the ringpost! COLE And Alf with his back rammed right into the steel post! Reject gets into the ring, and waits on Alf. COACH Now, Reject can let Alf get counted out here, but the deciding fall has to be a pinfall or a submission, am I right? COLE That's exactly right. COACH Right. Just making sure you've got it straight, Cole! COLE :rolleyes: Alf starts to roll into the ring, as Reject stomps away. He then pulls Alf to mid-ring, and delivers a fisherman's buster! COACH And Reject could be going for a fall early here! Reject covers... 1... 2... Kickout! COLE First cover of the match, a two-count for Reject! Reject then picks Alf up slowly, and delivers a back suplex! Cover... 1... 2... Kickout! Alf struggles into the corner, and Reject follows, delivering a CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Reject then whips Alf across the ring, then does it once again, knocking Alf to the mat with another CHOP~! on the rebound! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Cover... 1... 2... Kickout! COACH And Reject just measuring Alf now! He's got everything under control! Reject drops a knee to the sternum, then a second. He then picks up Alf and throws him over the top rope to the floor, in the aisleway. Reject then waits for Alf to get to his feet, before backing into the ropes, and hitting a HANDS-FREE SOMERSAULT PLANCHA onto Alf, rolling through and right up onto his feet! COLE TREMENDOUS move by Reject! Reject plays to the crowd, drawing boos, and has some colorful discussions with some ringside fans. COLE And Reject having issues with some of our ringside fans, but he has really dominated this match thus far! Reject climbs back into the ring, and waits for Alf once again. Alf struggles his way up onto the apron, where he's suplexed back inside the ring! Reject covers... 1... 2... Shoulder up! COLE But Alf keeps hanging on! Reject whips Alf into a corner, and delivers a CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! The referee admonishes Reject, who responds by threatening the referee. COACH Whoa, be careful, Reject! Reject heads back over to Alf, and delivers another chop! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! This time, however, Alf returns fire! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Reject backs Alf up again, and delivers another! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Alf returns once again! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Reject backs Alf up, and delivers a third CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! And Alf returns a third CHOP~! Crowd: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!! Alf then fires off right hands, but Reject goes to the eyes. COLE Alf finally had some offense going, but Reject puts a stop to it in a hurry! Reject whips Alf across the ring, but Alf ducks a spinkick, and plants Reject with a German Suplex! 1... 2... NO! Reject rolls out! COLE Big move by Alf, and now both men reeling on the mat! The referee begins his count... ONE!!! TWO!!! THREE!!! FOUR!!! FIVE!!! SIX!!! SEVEN!!! EIGHT!!! Alf gets up first, and makes his way over to Reject, setting him up for a suplex. Reject slides behind the back, however, and takes Alf down with a spinkick! Reject then heads to the top rope. COACH Reject going upstairs now... Reject attempts a flying elbowdrop, but Alf moves out of the way! Alf gets to his feet, and catches Reject with a BELLY-TO-BELLY~! COACH Oh, no! COLE And now Alf could be setting up for the big finish here! Alf follows with a TIGER BOMB~!, then waits for Reject to get to his feet, and delivers a T-BONE SUPLEX~! Alf covers... 1... 2... NO!!! Reject gets a shoulder up! Alf questions the referee's count, but stays on Reject, clotheslining him to the floor! Alf then steps to the apron, and climbs up to the top rope, coming down with a MOONSAULT~! onto Reject! COLE Alf FLIES through the air! Alf slugs away at Reject on the floor, before picking him up and suplexing him on the floor! He then rolls Reject back into the ring, and goes to the top rope once again, drilling Reject with a missile dropkick! Cover... 1... 2... NO!!! Reject gets a shoulder up! Alf questions the count once again, and as he does, Reject pulls a foreign object from his trunks! COLE Reject just went into his tights! COACH That's impossible, there's no way he could fit all the way into those tights! COLE Look in his hand! Alf approaches Reject once again, and gets drilled with the foreign object! Reject covers... 1... 2... NO!!! Alf gets a shoulder up! Reject slaps the mat three times in frustration, then picks Alf up. He sets Alf up for the PITCH BLACK~!!!, but Alf blocks in mid-air, then comes down and trips Reject up, applying the SHARPSHOOTER~!!! COLE Alf with the Sharpshooter hooked, out of nowhere! Reject struggles towards the ropes, but Alf drags him back to the center! COACH No, come on, Reject! Reach those ropes! Reject turns to his right, and reaches for the ropes once again, but Alf once again pulls him to the center, just as Reject was getting his fingertips towards the ropes! Reject makes one last struggle, but has no choice but to TAP OUT! COLE And Reject taps out! Alf takes the first fall! Alf releases the hold, and rolls into his corner. BUFFER [i]The winner of the first fall...ALFDOGG!!!!![/i] *crowd cheers* COLE And now there will be a 30-second rest period before the second fall begins!

I've got everything set. We just need people to write the matches, as KC said.

Series starts Thursday in Dallas. I'll post the rest of the schedule when I find it. I got Dallas in 6.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree somewhat. I'd also argue, though, that he's far from the only coach that could have seen the potential in Jermaine O'Neal, and that I don't see the Knicks as having anyone who's as talented *and* as receptive to coaching as Jermaine O'Neal. If Eddy Curry is averaging 22, 10, and 2 blocks in two years, then we're saying something.

For those who have never watched the Battlebowl shows, the faces and heels are shown in separate locker rooms on the split-screen. An announcer and a random chick would conduct the drawings out in the arena. Last year, I think we used Mean Gene Okerlund and Maria. Random chick draws the name, announcer reads the name, name is shown exiting the locker room, possibly with accolades from his fellow faces/heels. Continue process until four wrestlers, or two teams, are drawn up. The four wrestlers then head down the aisle separately with no music. Repeat this process for all eight tag matches. The World title match will follow the tag matches, and the battle royal will end the show.

No. The drawings will be written into the Battlebowl matches. I'll explain the procedure in the Battlwbowl thread.

I'd guess that it was just him being in a Laker jersey when he did it. I probably wouldn't have that mindset, but I'm sure there's a lot of Kings fans who feel that way. If Dale Davis got a ring with the Pistons, I'd just wish that we could have won it for him, but I'd still be happy for him. Also, I'm really not trying to kiss his ass, but Mourning was by no means just along for the ride. The Heat don't make the Finals without Mourning. Payton was expendable.

Someone find me just *one* advantage that the '04 Pacers that narrowly missed the Finals under Carlisle had over the '03 Pacers that lost in the first round under Isiah Thomas. ...oh wait, you can't. Besides "better coaching", that is. People just assume it was personal, because it's Bird and Isiah.

EFA

If the term "from the frying pan to the fryer" were ever appropriate, this would be the time. At least the Knicks have lasted longer than the CBA did.

Spurs trade Rasho Nesterovic to Toronto for Eric Williams, Matt Bonner, and a 2009 second-round pick. It's on ESPN.com.

via this site The 1996 pick was Todd Fuller. The 1998 pick was Vince Carter, who wound up in Toronto as was mentioned. Those two picks were involved in both deals. The Wizards got the 1996 pick from Orlando in a deal invovling Scott Skiles. How they got the '98 pick, I'm not sure. The 2000 pick that went from GS to Orlando was Mike Miller. The 2000 pick that went from Washington to GS was sent to Chicago in a three-way deal, which sent Toni Kukoc to Philadelphia, and Larry Hughes and Billy Owens to GS. The Bulls also got John Starks and Bruce Bowen. The pick ended up being Chris Mihm, who was then sent to Cleveland for the rights to Jamal Crawford. I can't believe Haskin had a win share. He played what, 15 games in his career?

OK, got you in.