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Finally saw me some Rough Cut on You Tube. Very impressive. Old Billy Gunn is bearable when he isn't shouting and going red.

Christian has always had kick ass music!!1

The whole Karen Angle thing "hopefully" will be her getting involved in AJ's match. I keep hearing this bullshit that TNA is going to goo the MMA style wioth Joe and Angle - so the last thing they need is a screaming Karen to put a dampner on a match that should be just all about kicking arse!!

It's so easy when it is planned out like that - I sometimes wonder how bookers don't just to the simple things sometimes? But Joe can have his one on one match with Stiener next month - Angle / Styles needs to happen as does Christian / Tomko - so they are tied up for the next 2 months in my eyes. The following month he can face a Roode or a Storm. Robert Roode I think needs to go over Booker T to really solidufy him as a bonafide upper mid carder. How about a returning heel Aby7ss (or what ever he will be called now) going after the title?

Any good sites that - 1> List results and general history of the NWA from 80 - 89? Before it became WCW really. My history of NWA around this time is "flaky" and would love to catch up on some past NWA glories. 2> WCW Nitro / saturday Night and Thunder results? Thanks guys - PM me if your not allowed to post links in te main forum.

Wrestling Challenge – 03/08/85 @ Los Angeles, CA - Sports Arena Your commentators for the evening will be Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse “The Body” Ventura. Both commentators welcome us to tonight’s show and say that tonight the Main Event for the evening will see WWF World Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan take on Heenan Family member - Big John Studd. First match of the night sees HUGE six man tag team action. Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana, Ricky”The Dragon” Steamboat and “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka pinned Don Muraco (with Mr Fuji), Adrian Adonis and “Cowboy” Bob Orton. What a way to kick off the show as all six men went out there and raised the roof off of the building. The finish came when Muraco was whipped into Adonis on the ring apron. After the two heels collided the Intercontinental Champion rolled up Muraco for the three count. (10.33) Interview conducted by Lord Alfred Hayes. He is standing by interviewing Bobby Heenan – either side of the manager stands two huge figures. On his left The Missing Link, growling into the camera with green face and red tongue, and to his right the challenger to Hulk Hogan’ WWF Heavyweight Title Big John Studd. Heenan says that the mission statement of The Heenan Family is to destroy Hulkamania for ever. The Dream Team (Greg “The Hammer” Valentine and Brutus Beefcake) (with Johnny Valliant) submission over Ivan Putski and Chief Jay Strongbow after Putski submitted to Valentine’s figure four leg lock. (4.54) Monsoon says The Dream Team are arguably the best tag team in the world right now and can and will only get better, whilst their opponents are probably in the twilight of their career as they have maybe surpassed their peak. Ventura is bemused – “Did they ever have peak?” We cut to the back as we see WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan doing press ups. The commentators promote again that it will be the champion going one on one with Big John Studd in tonight’s main event. Terry Funk pinned Jim Powers following a pile driver. Extended squash match that sees Funk again dominate his opponent. Funk berates the referee during the match, telling him he isn’t counting the pin fall quick enough. Funk gets so wound up at one point that he goes to punch the ref, this however brings Blackjack Mulligan out who stands in the aisle and locks eye contact with Funk. Mulligan wiggles his finger at the Funkster as if to say don’t you even think about touching the official. Funk takes his anger out on his opponent and finished the match soon after. (4.21) Funk and Mulligan continue to stare at each other as we go to commercial. Tag team action next as The British Bulldogs (Davey Boy Smith and The Dynamite Kid) pinned Les Thornton and Steve Lombardi. Smith pins Lombardi after the a running powerslam. Ventura says that it is all good and well that the Bulldogs keep getting victories over lesser opponents, however it is time for them to step up and face teams like Sheik/Volkoff and The Hart Foundation. Monsoon cuts him off and tells him the Bulldogs already have done, they have a d/q victory over Sheik and Volkoff and a 20 minute time limit draw with The Hart Foundation. (3.29) Promo for The King Of Ring Event. 8- men, 1 ring, 1 winner, 1 king. “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff, Don Muraco, The Junkyard Dog, “Cowboy” Bob Orton and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat are included in the promo. Main event time saw WWF Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan get the victory over Big John Studd (with Booby Heenan) via d/q when fellow Heenan Family member The Missing Link ran in for the double team. As the two heels were laying the boots to the champion – “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff went to run out for the save – however as he did this he was caught up by former partner “Cowboy” Bob Orton, who clotheslined him to the back of the head with his cast arm. Both faces are layed out as Bobby Heenan gets on the mic and challenges both Hogan and Orndorff to a match on Prime Time, this Tuesday against both members of The Heenan Family. (11.32) The commentators go wild as they start to hype the big tag match this coming Tuesday on Prime Time. The show also includes Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat going one on one with Don Muraco.

WWF News. The WWF has announced a further two wrestling superstars who have been released from their contracts with immediate affect. The first is Johnny Rodz. Rodz and the WWF have split on good terms and as the WWF could not guarantee a push of any sorts for Rodz, the two have decided to part ways as Rodz will now concentrate on training future wrestling superstars. The WWF would like to wish him luck. The second “parting of ways” comes in the form of former WWF Intercontinental Champion and present member of The Heenan Family, Ken Patera. Patera leaves in more untidy circumstances. Due to an incident that occurred last year that included a big rock, a McDonald’s window and a ruckus with police officers. Patera has been sentenced to two years of prison. The WWF would like to wish Patera all the best and would consider re-employing him in the future. Rowdy Roddy Piper is said to be upset with his current role in the company and believes he should be back in a main event programme. Piper is also currently unhappy that he has been pinned on more than one occasion this year. Piper feels he should be in the same league as Hogan and Andre The Giant when it comes to being defeated cleanly. The WWF has disagreed with Piper’s comments and say he will be used as best as the company see fit. Piper is expected to continue with his Piper’s Pit segment and his ongoing feud with The Junkyard Dog. The WWF did propose an idea to him though that could involve a big name celebrity. Watch this space……. Randy Savage’s huge push has apparently not gone down too well with other superstars. Most noticeably Piper and Don Muraco. Savage appears to be a pet project of Vince McMahon and is currently set to get a “god” push. Don’t be surprised if he is wearing gold by the end of the year. Vince McMahon went all out to sign Savage to a contract and as per request of Savage the WWF has also signed to a contract Savage’s brother, who debuted this past week – “Leaping” Lanny Poffo and wife Elizabeth Hulette. There has not been any confirmation backstage as to what Hulette’s role will be with the company, Savage is currently pushing the idea that she becomes his on screen valet. A special King Of The Ring event is taking place that will air for free on Sunday 25/08/85. The event will see an eight man tournament as it’s show piece. The WWF is hoping the King title will be looked upon by the wrestling world as another form of a championship. Names confirmed for the King Of The Ring are Don Muraco, “Cowboy” Bob Orton, “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat. Also all three WWF titles will also be on the line. Talk is that either Orndorff or Steamboat will be expected to win the tournament.

Prime Time Wrestling – 30/07/85 @ Columbus, OH - Ohio Center Your commentary team is Vince McMahon and Pat Patterson First match of the night sees popular Paul “Mr Wonderful” Orndorff going one on one with member of The Heenan Family Ken Patera. “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff pinned Ken Patera (with Bobby Heenan) after delivering a Knee Drop to the chest of Patera. A three count later and Orndorff is your victor. (13.44) A promo for The King Of The Ring Special is aired. A 8 man tournament will take place to determine who is the “King” of the World Wrestling Federation. Entrants to the tournament so far include “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff, “Cowboy” Bob Orton and Don Muraco. Hillbilly Jim (with Uncle Elmer) pinned Gary Starr after a big boot and a leg drop. The live crowd seems to be really into Jim and Elmer. (1.43) Interview with Johnny Valliant and his “divine” pairing, The Dream Team. Greg “The Hammer” Valentine says he knows all of Tito Santana’s weakness’ and he will exploit them in the main event tonight. Beefcake adds they are going out to the ring to bust some heads. The Missing Link (with Bobby Heenan) pinned Tony Garea after a diving headbut from the second rope. (5.21). Although Garea hasn’t started to win matches the commentators put over that he is at least not getting beaten in under 4 minutes like he was at the start of the year. The Missing Link still undefeated in the WWF. Interview conducted by Mene Gene Okerlund with The Junkyard Dog and Intercontinental Championship Tito Santana. Okerlund brings up the interview with The Dream Team earlier in the broadcast, and how Valentine knows all of the champion’s weaknesses as they have faced each other on numerous occasions. Santana retorts that this may be correct and that The Dream Team are probably the best pairing of two superstars that WWF currently has. However what is currently round his waist is proof that he is in a greater position than either Beefcake or Valentine. Adrian Adonis pinned Rick “Quickdraw” McGraw after a DDT. (5.57). Adonis has now not only died his hair blonde but has also stopped wearing the leather jacket to the ring. Adonis debuts his pastel pink wrestling trunks. Commercial Break— A Hulk Hogan video promo airs. Main Event time as The Dream Team (Greg “The Hammer” Valentine and Brutus Beefcake) (with Johnny Valliant) defeated Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana and The Junkyard Dog. A fantastic back and forth match which climaxed when The Dog was put out of action with Beefcake’s Sleeper hold. (13.21). The Dog was left one on one with Beefcake as Valentine and Santana brawled on the floor.

Wrestling Challenge – 27/07/85 @ Poughkeepsie, NY - Mid-Hudson Civic Center Commentary Team of Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse “The Body” Ventura. We kick off the show with Jimmy Hart in the ring with Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart. The commentators say we will be kicking off the show with an Intercontinental title defence. Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana pinned Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart (with Jimmy Hart) with The Flying Forearm Smash. Commentators bring up that these two met at Wrestlemania and how Tito is a fighting champion personified. Ventura says that Jim Neidhart and his partner Bret Hart are probably the most underrated tag team in the industry. Monsoon agrees and brings up the fact that The Hart Foundation are still undefeated and that The US Express currently have so many top teams gunning for their titles. (5.56) Interview conducted by Mene Gene with Randy Savage. As Savage is in the middle of his promo putting himself over as the best athlete in the WWF, Mr Fuji enters into the screen with Don Muraco at his side. Fuji asks Savage for an answer as to if he wants his managerial expertise – Savage is furious at Fuji for interrupting his interview time – and because of that turns Fuji down. Fuji is furious , Muraco says that he doesn’t need Savage as he will make him lots of money. Muraco takes over the interview time and tells Mene Gene to see what he means as his match is up next. Don Muraco (with Mr Fuji) pinned Tony Garea after delivering the overhead piledriver. (3.32) Commercial Break--- A Promo runs for The King Of The Ring event which will take place on Sunday the 25/08/85. Watch It. “Triple Crown” Pedro Morales submission over Jack Armstrong with the Boston Crab. (3.45) Interview conducted by Lord Alfred Hayes. He is with WWF legend Bruno Sammartino and his son David. In tonight’s main event they will be facing The Foreign Leigon (The Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff) They guarantee a victory in the name of America. Randy Savage pinned SD Jones after a flying elbow smash from the top rope. (3.45) Savage back to squashing the under card. Savage actually came out to a mixed response a mix of boos and cheers, which is noted by Ventura who tries to put it over that the crowd hate his cockiness so much that they love him for it. Commercial Break--- We come back from the commercial to see a new wrestler in the ring who is throwing Frisbees into the crowd. The name that comes up on the screen reads “Leaping” Lanny Poffo. Poffo is interrupted by some hillbilly style music as Hillbilly Jim and Uncle Elmer come out to the joy of the crowd. Uncle Elmer (with Hillbilly Jim) pinned “Leaping” Lanny Poffo after leg drop. Not the greatest debut in the history of professional wrestling as Poffo is pinned by the large Elmer. (4.33) A run down of matches is then announced for this coming Prime Time Wrestling as The Dream Team will face The Junkyard Dog and Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana. Also “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff will meet member of The Heenan Family Ken Patera. Terry Funk pinned Tony Atlas after a pile driver. (7.57) Funk’s biggest victory to date in a WWF ring. Commentators bring up that Funk is a bully and currently has unresolved issues between the big Texan Blackjack Mulligan. Final Commercial Break – Main Event time as The Foreign Leigon (Nikolai Volkoff & the Iron Sheik) (with Classie Freddie Blassie) submission over The Sammartino’s (Bruno and David). Former WWF World Champion The Sheik makes David submit to The Camel Clutch. Show ends with the heels victorious and waving the Russian flag as Volkoff gets on the mic and starts to sing the Russian national anthem. (5.02) Show Ends

Prime Time Wrestling – 23/07/85 @ Ft. Wayne, IN - Memorial Coliseum Commentators Vince McMahon and Pat Patterson. The commentators big up the huge tag team main event for tonight that will see WWF Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan and “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff against Rowdy Roddy Piper and “Cowboy” Bob Orton. We then head to the ring as Randy Savage makes his way down the aisle. Patterson puts him over as the hottest free agent in the wrestling business today. Randy Savage pinned Rick “Quickdraw” McGraw after a flying elbow smash from the top rope. This was actually a well contested match and not a complete squash as McGraw managed to take Savage to over the ten minute mark.(10.21) After the match Savage threw McGraw to the outside of the ring as McMahon is disgusted in Savage’s sportsmanship. Savage gets on the mic and again reiterates that he is the most talked about superstar in the federation today and is still thinking about the contracts he has been handed by ALL the current managers in the WWF. Interview conducted by Lord Alfred Hayes with Blackjack Mulligan. The former tag team champion says that Terry Funk has been nothing but a bully since he came to the WWF picking on referees and ring announcers – well tonight he will come face to face with a man who is his size. Mulligan promises to teach Funk a lesson he won’t ever forget. Tag Team Champions The US Express (Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo) pinned The Foreign Leigon (The Iron Shiek and Nikolai Volkoff) (with Classie Freddie Blassie) after The Shiek was pinned after an airplane spin by Rotundo. McMahon puts over the integrity of the tag champs as this was meant to be a non title match but The Express demanded it be changed to a title affair – Patterson adds that that just shows stupidity NOT integrity. (5.43) Patterson says that he doesn’t expect The Express to be champions very long not with The Dream Team now on the tag scene. McMahon hates to say it but his commentary partner may have a point. A Junkyard Dog music promo is played. Terry Funk and Blackjack Mulligan ended up in a double count out after they battle to the outside. (5.32). All out brawl between these two Texans. Funk is being put over strong by the commentators as a man who just loves to fight. Doubt this issue between these two men is over? We come back from a commercial break and we are set for our Main Event already – with about twenty minutes still to go of the broadcast. WWF Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan and “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff pinned Rowdy Roddy Piper and “Cowboy” Bob Orton. Hogan finished off Orton with the big boot and the leg drop for the clean pin fall at (16.43) Orndorff has been mega over since his face turn and it has really helped him establish himself as an upper card performer. Piper is still a heat machine playing up to the crowd at every opportunity and the heels cheated throughout the match – choking Orndorff when the ref’s back was turned, gouging of the eyes and hair pulling all happening during the match.

I actually liked the No Chance / Undertaker - mash up!!!! :-)

Wrestling Challenge – 20/07/85 @ Baltimore, MD - Civic Center Commentary Team of Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse “The Body” Venutra. The commentary team welcome us to another night of top wrestling action. Gorilla says tonight we will see the newest member of the WWF Randy Savage appear on Pipers Pit. Ventura speculates that we may find out tonight who Savage will sign up to be his manager. Also in action tonight will be King Kong Bundy and in the main event we will see the newly formed team of The Dream Team take on “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat. Tag Team affair is the first match of the evening as The Killer Bees (B. Brian Blair and Jim Brunzell) pinned The Moondogs (Rex and Spot) after a double drop kick to Spot for the pinfall. (5.43). In The Bees second match they came to the ring with masks on – which they then removed before the match. (Think fencing style masks). We go to the commentary table where Gorilla and Jesse tell us a huge match has been signed for Prime Time Wrestling – which will see WWF Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan and “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff against Rowdy Roddy Piper and “Cowboy” Bob Orton. King Kong Bundy (with Jimmy Hart) pinned Tony Garea after an avalanche into the corner. The referee is forced to count to five as Bundy places a foot on Garea’s chest. (4.17) Garea got the longest match yet out of Bundy – but it still wasn’t enough as Bundy make relatively short work of 5 time former tag team champion. Interview with Johnny Valliant and The Dream Team (Greg “The Hammer” Valentine and Brutus Beefcake). No team is even close to being in their league is the crux of the interview here. Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana D/Q over Don Muraco (with Mr Fuji) as Fuji hits Santana with his cane when he was on the outside. (13.21). The commentators bring up that it was Santana that ended Muraco’s second reign as Intercontinental Champion. Piper’s Pit is next as Rowdy Roddy Piper welcomes the “hottest superstar” in the world today – Randy Savage. Piper says that it must be quite the ego stroke to know that all the current WWF managers are vying for his signature. Savage says you get used to it when you are as good as he is. Savage proclaims himself the best pure talent on the earth right now and will make a decision about who to sign a contract with soon. The Heenan Family (The Missing Link and Big John Studd) (with Bobby Heenan) pinned SD Jones and George Welles. Link pins Welles after a diving headbut from the second rope. (3.12) Squash City. Another reminder about the big tag match on Tuesday night between WWF Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan and “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff against Rowdy Roddy Piper and “Cowboy” Bob Orton. Main Event time sees The Dream Team (Greg “The Hammer” Valentine and Brutus Beefcake) (with Johnny Valliant) defeat “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat after Snuka submits to Valentine’s figure four leg lock. The Dream Team go over clean against another team that was undefeated up until this point in time. Monsoon points out that The US Express better watch their backs with these two superstars climbing the ranks. (10.03)

Prime Time Wrestling – 16/07/85 @ Detroit, MI - State Fairgrounds Commentators Vince McMahon and Pat Patterson. The team welcomes us to the show and begins to hype up the debut of Randy Savage later this evening. Patterson puts him over as the most talked about and sort after wrestling personality. McMahon adds that ALL of the current WWF managers are negotiating with Savage in order to sign him to a contract. First things first though as King Kong Bundy (with Jimmy Hart) pinned SD Jones and Salvatore Bellomo in a handicapped match. (3.54). Apparently Bundy has been in Japan and will be returning there again shortly to continue his run of devastation across the Pacific Ocean. Patterson points out that SD Jones must be mad getting into a ring with Bundy after he destroyed him at Wrestlemania. Interview in the back with Bobby Heenan. Standing to either of his side is Big John Studd and The Missing Link. Heenan says he is making it his personal goal to kill Hulkamania. Heenan also says that he hasn’t forgotten about Paul Orndorff either and that he will also pay for his recent actions. Big John Studd (with Bobby Heenan) pinned George “The Animal” Steele (with Captain Lou Albano) after a heart punch. Patterson makes the bold prediction that Studd will be the next WWF champion, after Hennan his manager declared war on Hulkamania (5.43) Interview in the back with Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat conducted by Lord Alfred Hayes. Steamboat hypes his match with Don Muraco in tonight’s main event. Ivan Putski D/Q over “Cowboy” Bob Orton. Orton is disqualified for using his cast as a weapon in front of the referee. Orton continues to attack Putski – until “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff runs out for the save – much to the delight of the crowd. (8.32) The commentators hype the debut of Randy Savage as we take another commercial break. Randy Savage pinned Aldo Marino after two flying elbow smashes. (2.34) Before Savage’s entrance. Bobby Heenan, Mr Fuji and Johnny Valliant are all lining the aisle each holding something different. Valliant a box of the finest Cuban cigars, Fuji a case of the most expensive champagne, and Heenan a platter of the most premium food. All three managers are telling Savage that this is what he can expect if he signs up with them as his manager. Savage shakes each man’s hand and says he will think about their propositions. Tony Atlas (with George Welles) D/Q over Bret Hart (with Jimmy Hart and Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart) The match was thrown out when Neidhart hooked Atlas’ leg when he was running the ropes to shoulder tackle Hart. (4.32) After the weak finish all four men began to brawl as we head to commercial. The commentators hype up Wrestling Challenge which will see Tito Santana defend his Intercontinental Championship against former champion Don Muraco and also the in ring debut of The Dream Team will meet “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat. The Missing Link (with Bobby Heenan) pinned Jose Luis Rivera after a big boot to the face. (3.36) Back from the last commercial break we head to our last match of the evening. Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat count out victory over Don Muraco (with Mr Fuji). Steamboat won the match after delivering an atomic drop to Muraco, the force sending him up and over the top rope to the floor below onto his manager. Steamboat has his hand raised as Muraco is seething that he has been counted out. (6.32) The commentators tell us to make sure we don’t miss next weeks show.

Wrestling Challenge – 13/07/85 @ Quebec City, Quebec - Colisee de Quebec Commentators are Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse “The Body” Ventura We head straight to the ring as we see a debut of a tag team known as The Killer Bees (B. Brian Blair and “Jumping” Jim Brunzell) pinned Steve Lombardi and Dave Barbie. Barbie is pinned by Brunzell after a dropkick. (3.43) The WWf decide to debut the new pairing of Blair and Brunzell without any build up. The original plan was to have Blair as a singles star. However after his lacklustre rections from the crowd, it has been decided to place him in the tag team division. The Bees wear matching tights, with black and yellow stripes. They also wear bee masks to the ring, but then take them off before the match. Monsoon says that Brunzell will not be the only debut tonight as Uncle Elmer, the uncle of Hillbilly Jim will also make his in ring debut. Interview with “Triple Crown” Pedro Morales, who will be in action later tonight. Morales would like to thank all his fans for their support since his return to the WWF from injury. Terry Funk pinned Paul Roma after a delayed atomic drop. (4.26) After the match Funk goes and begins threatening the referee with his branding Iron. The crowd go wild as Blackjack Mulligan comes down and stands in between Funk and the ref. Funk backs down and leaves the ring. Interview conducted by Mene Gene. Adrian Adonis says tonight he has a great chance of making Tito Santana’s title reign the shortest in WWF history. Adonis debuts his died blonde hair. In a non-title match Tag Team Champions The US Express (Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo) pinned Rick Hunter and Frank Marconi. Windham finished off Hunter with the bulldog. (3.43) Uncle Elmer (with Hillbilly Jim) pinned AJ Petruzzi after a legdrop. (2.14) Interview with The US Express. They are asked by Lord Alfred Hayes if they are nervous about all the current tag teams seemingly looking to be the next champions of the world. Windham says that competition is what it is all about. Rotundo says that they will take on all comers for the title. The British Bulldogs (Davey Boy Smith and The Dynamite Kid) D/Q over The Foreign Leigon (The Iron Shiek and Nikolai Volkoff) (with Classie Freddie Blassie) (7.24) Match is thrown out when Blassie hands Volkoff the Russia flag which he drives into Smith’s back. Paul “Mr Wonderful” Orndorff pinned Alexis Smirnoff after a pile driver. (3.54) Orndorff was MEGA over with the crowed since his recent face turn. Mene Gene Okerlund interviews him after the match. He says that he is not scared of either his former partner “Cowboy” Bob Orton or any member of The Heenan Family and if anyone of them wants a fight – they got one. “Triple Crown” Pedro Morales submission over The Spoiler with the boston crab. Morales stays undefeated since his return. This was his closest match yet since his homecoming. (5.23). Back from the last commercial break and Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana pinned Adrian Adonis with The Flying Forearm Smash. (8.10) Tito is successful in his first title defence.

Prime Time Wrestling – 09/07/85 @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens Commentators Vince McMahon and Pat Patterson. The commentators put over that SNME was a huge success and a lot of significant happenings occurred on Saturday night. McMahon says that since last week we have two new champions The US Express and Tito Santana have once again won titles that they have held in the past. All three men becoming two time holders of the Tag Team and Intercontinental Championship belts. Pat adds that on tonight’s show we will see Johnny Valliant and Brutus Beefcake as guests on Pipers Pit. Also in the main event the former tag team champions collide as “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and “Cowboy” Bob Orton go one on one. First match of the nights sees The Missing Link (with Bobby Heenan) pin Salvatore Bellomo after a big boot to the face. (3.32). Heenan joined the commentary team during the match and says that Paul Orndorff will regreat sticking his nose in The Heenan Family’s business. A promo is aired that next week on Prime Time a wrestler by the name of Randy Savage will be debuting. Tony Atlas pinned Matt Borne after a press slam. (5.21) This is a rematch between two men that faced each aother a few weeks back. Yet another to a fro affair, with Atlas getting the victory again. Promo with Lord Alfred Hayes talking to “Cowboy” Bob Orton. Orton says that Paul Orndorff will be beaten to a pulp tonight as The Cowboy proves he was the talent in their team together. As we head back to the commentatorsPat Patterson says he would rather be anyone else in the world apart from Orndorff as so many people want a piece of him. George “The Animal” Steele (with Captain Lou Albano) submission over Rene Goulet with the flying hammerlock. (4.32) Next it was time for Pipers Pit. Rowdy Roddy Piper inducing a great deal of heel heat from the crowd. His guests are Johnny Valliant and his client Brutus Beefcake. Valliant says that Beefcake is the future of Professional Wrestling – a wrestling prodigy, the man who should have been standing here today the WWF Champion if it was not for the corrupt WWF officials. Last Saturday saw the demise of the greatest Intercontinental Champion ever and so we have two incredible athletes who are no longer wearing gold. This brings out Greg “The Hammer” Valentine and Valliant says that Valentine has now signed a contract with him in order to guide him back to the top of the mountain. He says together these men will change the way of tag team wrestling, together they will be known as “The Dream Team”. Big John Studd (with Bobby Heenan) pinned David Sammartino, after a vicious looking powerslam. Bruno, David’s father and WWF legend was not at ringside for this contest. (5.21) Pre-recorded message from the new Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana. Santata puts over what a great achievement it is to win the Championship twice. He hopes he has made both his family and fans proud. Don Muraco (with Mr Fuji) pinned Rick “Quickdraw” McGraw after a reverse piledriver. (4.42) Back from commercial and we head to our night’s Main Event. “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff D/Q over “Cowboy” Bob Orton. The referee had no choice but to throw the match out as Orton pulled him back on three occasion’s as he continued to lay closed fist and cast onto Orndorff’s head. As Orton continued, out from the back came Hulk Hogan for the save, much to the delight of the crowd. Orton scarpers as Hogan helps a bloody Orndorff to his feet. (10.43) Show goes off the air.

News. The owner of The WWF, Vince McMahon is said to be over the moon with the debut of the special event – Saturday Night’s Main Event and hopes to continue in the future with these special shows. McMahon wants to promote them almost as a super card that progress’ storylines and bring to an end others with big “blow off” matches. The big news following on from the event is that a day before, we had the crowning of new tag team champions – that of The US Express. This is the second time this talented, young team has held the belts. The real story though was the face turn of “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff. It looks as though he hasn’t wasted any time of making new enemies with The Heenan Family and former partner “Cowboy” Bob Orton all wanting a piece of him. It does appear though that Orndorff has back up in the guise of World Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan. Orndorrff and Orton reign wasn’t the longest of all time – only lasting 73 days. This reign however does out do The US Express’ first reign, by a mere three days. Windham and Rotundo will be hoping to have a longer reign this time. They have a long way to go to overtake the following teams. ALL TIME LONGEST REIGNING TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS. Jimmy Valiant & Johnny Valiant – 370 Days (08/05/1974 - 13/05/1975) Toru Tanaka & Mr. Fuji – 327 Days (27/06/1972 - 20/05/1973) Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch – 301 Days (17/04/1984 - 12/02/1985) Tito Santana was crowned the new WWF Intercontinental Champion, making it the second time he has won the title. This brings an end to Greg “The Hammer” Valentine’s successful reign. Valentine will go down as the third longest serving champion behind “Triple Crown” Pedro Morales’ second reign and Don Muraco’s second reign also. There is serious consideration been given to teaming up Valentine and Brutus Beefcake as a tag team as management has liked the way they have gelled in tag matches at House Shows against Santana and Junkyard Dog. They would be an excellent addition to the tag division. ALL TIME LONGEST REIGNING INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONS. Pedro Morales – 425 Days – (23/11/1981 - 22/01/1983) Don Muraco – 385 Days – (22/01/1983 - 11/02/1984) Greg “The Hammer” Valentine – 285 Days (24/09/1984 - 06/07/1985) Speaking of the tag division McMahon was very keep to show case as many teams as he could at SNME. The Hart Foundation and The British Bulldogs particularly showing immense promise and talent. Both teams are considered to be future Tag Team Champions. Two new superstars debuted at SNME. One is former NWA Heavyweight Champion Terry Funk. Funk although 41 is considered a real coup and will be considered a real threat to both the Intercontinental and World Championships. Funk has initially signed for six months with the federation. Also signing for one year is Stan Frazier, or who has now been repackaged as Uncle Elmer. Elmer who is 47, will be put together with fellow hillbilly, Hillbilly Jim. Both signings will continue the current expansion of the WWF roster. Also signing a longer three year contract in Jim Brunzell. Brunzell is a former AWA talent who has worked with talents such as Adrian Adonis and Ken Patera. Known as a “high flyer” and tag team specialist, Brunzell is expected to debut as a partner for B. Brian Blair. Blair although exciting since his resigning with the federation has failed to get over with the fans and the WWF is looking to kill two birds with one stone – by increasing the tag team division and by doing something with an under utilised wrestler. With Blair, Greg Valentine and Brutus Beefcake being talked about to pad out and most importantly improve the tag division, the WWF are continuing to “scout” talent from other territories. Current wrestlers to catch the eye are Randy Savage who has been competing in Memphis, engaging in a bloody feud with Jerry Lawler. Former WWF World Tag Team Champion Dino Bravo is also being considered.

Looks like the camera man. He has a generic WWE t shit on by the looks of it

The Tag Team Champs Job twice in a matter of weeks.....oh well it's only Rhodes and Holly. (I do think Rhodes has a lot of potential). Make Carlito and Santino have a run with the straps - think these would make a top full time team.

I never got why they joined forces after feuding with each other for the last month? I liked them at the time. Was the beginning of Triple H being booked as a true main eventer. But the stable was pretty much filled with filler.

People have different interprations of the term "legend". Ric Flair is without a doubt a legend in the wrestling industry - but is he as known outside the wrestling industry like Austin, Rock, Hogan and even The Ultimate Warrior is? I doubt it. Yet you can't escape that without a doubt Flair is of course a Legend. I would call nearly all the guys in this thread mentioned a legend of the industry - apart from Bagwell. Other legends - I would include are guys like Jake The Snake and Macho Man. It's just what your interprtation is of the term legend.

Kane has been in the opening to ECW for quite a while now anyway has he not?

Which to me is a qualification to being considered a real legend. People who aren't fans of your sport knowing who you are because you transcend that sport. People who don't know a thing about wrestling know who those guys are in the same way that people who don't know a thing about boxing know who Muhammad Ali is. Once I read this, you have swayed my thinking. Also gotta say Bagwell should not be in the next groups down. Maybe the next 4 groups down prehaps.

As always thanks for the feedback, means a lot. With regards to jobbing out Hogan and Piper. 1.Hulk Hogan – I haven’t had Hogan pinned yet in this alternate WWE universe. I think the count out loss to Don Muraco wouldn’t hurt him and also the defeat at the hands of Mr Fuji and Muraco would also not hurt as it was in fact, Hillbilly Jim that was pinned. When it comes to the big one on one matches Hogan still prevails. I envisage that Hogan will still have a lengthy first World Title change (I could change my mind) , however I don’t want to book him as too much like Superman. The odd count out and double d/q won’t hurt him one bit. 2.Rowdy Roddy Piper – I never got why Piper was so protected in the WWF, or whether it was him simply refusing to job? In my current WWF, only two superstars are heavily protected when it comes to pinfall and submission losses – Hulk Hogan and Andre The Giant. There is no reason that I can think of that Piper should never taste defeat. The guy would still be super over, due to him being great on the stick and the losses to JYD will not affect him as The Dog is also one of the most over faces on the roster. All the above is of course just my opinion and I welcome yours and any others feedback. Thanks again and keep reading

06/07/85 @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden Before the show begins properly we go to a pre recorded message from Vince McMahon that states that a title change occurred at a local house show last night. We then go to the closing moments of a match between Tag Team Champions “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and “Cowboy” Bob Orton and The US Express (Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo) from last night where Orndorff is pinned via a bulldog delivered to him from Barry Windham. NEW TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS!! The US Express are now two time tag team champions. We then go to the commentators booth as a three man team welcome us to a special night. Vince McMahon is in the middle of Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse “The Body” Ventura. They put over the fact that you never know what is going to happen in the World Wrestling Federation. We then head to the ring for the opening contest and a rematch from last nights encounter. The New Tag Team Champions The US Express get a great pop from the crowd as they come down the aisle with their newly regained titles each waving an American flag. Tag Team Champions The US Express (Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo) pinned “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and “Cowboy” Bob Orton after a miscommunication between the heels. The referee was knocked down after Rotundo was irish whipped into him. This allowed Orndorff to hold Rotundo as Orton went to hit him with his cast. Rotundo moved and Mr Wonderful was floored. Windham chucks Orton out of the ring as the ref comes to. Rotundo pins Orndorff for the three count and The US Express retain their titles (6.34) . However the big story from the match happened after the pinfall as a visibly seething Orton climbs back in the ring and starts berating Orndorff for him loosing TWICE in two days to The US Express. A fight breaks out between the two as it looks like the former champions have broken up. Orton gets the upper hand and heads back outside the ring and pick up the timekeepers bell – however just as he is about to crack it over his fallen victim, who else but WWF Champion HULK HOGAN runs down for the save. A big boot and a leg drop to Orton as Hogan helps Orndorff up and the pair shake hands to the delight of the crowd. Interview in the back with The Heenan Family. The promo is lead by manager Bobby Heenan. Later tonight Family member Ken Patera will meet WWF Champion Hulk Hogan in a non-title match. Heenan says he has all the confidence in the world that Patera will shock the world and pin Hogan to get a title shot in the future. Big John Studd and The Missing Link were also in the promo but did not say anything. Next up was a debut…..that of Terry Funk. Funk came down the aisle as the commentators say that Funk is one tough son of a gun who just loves beating people up. Funk has with him a branding iron. Terry Funk submission over Aldo Marino via the spinning toe hold. (2.07) . After the match Funk went over to ring announcer Mel Phillips and proceeded to gather his cowboy hat and branding iron. Funk begins shouting at Phillips as his hat appears to have been dented slightly. Funk shouts at Phillips for not taking care of his property and spits in Phillips direction. After the spit he hits Phillips in the throat with his branding iron as officials swarm from the back to try and get Funk to stop beating on Phillips. Striking debut by The Funkster. Poor Mel Phillips is stretchered out of the arena. What a heinous act by Terry Funk. Interview conducted by Mene Gene Okerlund with Rowdy Roddy Piper. Okerlund says what are his thought on his friends beating two barrels out of each other earlier. Piper says those two boys can sort themselves out as he has more pressing matters on his mind. Piper says that he can’t wait to get his hands on The Junkyard Dog, but unfortunately it won’t be tonight as he is already spoken for. (He has a match signed with Don Muraco). Six man tag action as The British Bulldogs (The Dynamite Kid and Davey Boy Smith) and George “The Animal” Steele (with Captain Lou Albano) pinned The Moondogs (Spot and Rex) and Adrian Adonis after Spot submitted to Steele’s claw to the face. (4.32) Total filler match, just an opportunity to get The Bulldogs and newley turned face Steele on the card. Interview conducted by Lord Alfred Hayes. His guest none other than Hillbilly Jim. The old hillbilly introduces Alfred and everyone watching at home to his uncle. This is the on screen debut of Uncle Elmer. Uncle Elmer says he has come to the WWF to watch his nephew’s back. (The WWF weren’t kidding when they said they were looking to inject new talent to the roster – that is the second debut tonight.) Don Muraco (with Mr Fuji) pinned The Junkyard Dog with the reverse piledriver after Rowdy Roddy Piper cracked a chair over the head of The Dog. (11.03). An intense brawl between two upper mid carders. The Piper and Dog feud continues apace. Interview with WWF Champion Hulk Hogan. He tells Mene Gene Okerlund that he will need eyes in the back of his head when he is wrestling Ken Patera tonight as he doesn’t trust Bobby Heenan and his cronies The Missing Link and Big John Studd. “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat pinned The Foreign Leigon (The Iron Shiek and Nikolai Volkoff) (with Classie Freddie Blassie) when Snuka pinned Volkoff with the Superfly Splash for the 123. (7.21). This appears to be culmination of this mini feud which has helped greatly in establishing Ricky Steamboat as a superstar to keep your eye on. A promo for Andre The Giant is aired. A package is shown of him and his greatest achievements in the WWF. The package ends with the Slogan “The Eigth Wonder Of The World” The Unbeatable Andre The Giant) Non Title Match: WWF Heavyweight Champion Hulk Hogan Pinned Ken Patera (with Bobby Heenan) after a big boot and a leg drop. (11.41) As Hogan celebrates Heenan calls for back up as Big John Studd and The Missing Link start to double team the champion, Patera also gets involved. All of a sudden “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff runs from the back with a chair in hand as the heels exit the ring out of harms way. Orndorff helps Hogan to his feet as the two embrace. Orndorff’s face turn appears to have been completed. Before the main event we have a tag match. In a rematch from Prime Time we see The Hart Foundation (Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart) (with Jimmy Hart) Pin George Welles and Tony Atlas. Welles is pinned by Hart after being delivered The Hart Attack. Welles and Atlas again fail to defeat The Hart Foundation. (10.45) Now to the big one of the night – what the commentators say is the culmination of an intense rivalry between two of the best wrestlers in the world today. The showdown will be confined to a cage!! Tito Santana defeated Intercontinental Champion Greg “The Hammer” Valentine after escaping the cage first. The conclusion of the match sees Valentine crawl to the door of the cage as Tito is climbing over the cage to the floor. The crowd is rabid as it appears either one of the superstars could leave the cage first – however out from the back comes Brutus Beefcake (who helped Valentine in a post match beat down of Santana on Wrestling Challenge last week). Beefcake try’s his hardest to stop Santana in his tracks as Valentine edges closer and closer to the exit. However it is all in vain as Santana hits the floor and delivers a clothesline to Beefcake who’s momentum takes him crashing into the steel guard rails. The Winner of the match and NEW INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPION TITO SANTANA. Santana has ended Greg “The Hammer” Valentine’s 10 month reign. (He won it from Santana back in September 1984 (24th to be exact). Santana becomes the third man to hold the Intercontinental Title on two occasions, joining “Triple Crown” Pedro Morales and Don Muraco. (18.34) The show ends with Tito Santana celebrating his title win, in the crowd. As the show fades to black.

Prime Time Wrestling – 02/07/85 @ Pensacola, FL - Civic Center Commentators Vince McMaohn and Pat Patterson. Show starts with both commentators hyping Saturday Night’s Main Event. Tonight we will see a preview of two of the matches signed for the 06/07/85 extravaganza, as a huge 8 man tag team affair will be tonight’s main event. Tag Team Champions “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and “Cowboy” Bob Orton and The Iron Shiek and Nikolai Volkoff will meet The US Express (Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo) and “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat. But First….. Blackjack Mulligan pinned Gino Carabello after a lariat. (3.46). Since Mulligan’s initial mini feud with Greg Valentine (which really was just a transitional one to break up the ongoing angle between Valentine and Santana) he has pretty much been directionless. However he still is one of the most over mid carders on the roster. Promo from the heel team of the eight man tag tonight. Classie Freddie Blassie wants assurances that tonight the tag champs have his teams back and also that once they defeat The US Express at Saturday Night’s Main Event, that they will be next in line for a shot at the titles. The champs agree and both shake Blassie hands as The Foreign Leigon stare a hole in their partners. The Hart Foundation (Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart) (with Jimmy Hart) pinned George Welles and Tony Atlas. Hart pinned Atlas after he was cracked over the head with Jimmy Hart’s megaphone. (11.12) Welles and Atlas were back tagging together (so it doesn’t look like this team is to be disbanded quite yet?) Another impressive victory for The Hart Foundation as they climb the tag team ranks. Incoherent promo in the back by newly face George “The Animal” Steele and his new manager Captain Lou Albano. (Albano has been paired up with Steele and it appears that he is no longer manager of The US Express, who he has not been seen with a ringside for their last few matches). These two make quite the unusual pairing. B. Brian Blair pinned Rene Goulet after a victory roll pin. (5.21). A promo for Saturday Night’s Main Event. Confirmed Matches – *Intercontinental Championship Cage Match. Champion Greg “The Hammer” Valentine verses challenger Tito Santana. *Tag Team Champions “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and “Cowboy” Bob Orton verses The US Express (Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo) *“Superfly” Jimmy Snuka and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat will meet The Foreign Leigon (The Iron Shiek and Nikolai Volkoff) The WWF Champion Hulk Hogan will be in action as well as The Hart Foundation, The British Bulldogs, Junkyard Dog, The Heenan Family and Rowdy Roddy Piper. Shaping up to be a huge night. We return as the commentators say that we should not miss Saturday Night’s Main Event. Adrian Adonis submssion over Swede Hanson with the sleeper hold (4.27) Adonis is another midcarder who has been pretty directionless since loosing the tag team titles earlier in the year and then his tag team parter Dick Murdoch leaving for the NWA. WWF officials seem to be unhappy with his recent weight gain and are encouraging him to loss it. Age has caught up with The Big Swede and his future is in doubt as the WWF are thinking of freeing up some roster space so that new and younger athletes are signed to contracts. Back from commercial and we go straight to the ring for a quick squash before the main event as George “The Animal” Steele (with Captain Lou Albano) was disqualified against Barry O as he ripped one of the ring pads off of on of the turnbuckles and began ramming O’s head into it. the referee had no choice but to ring the bell for the D/Q. (3.25) Wow jobber Barry O gets the victory. Steele’s actions although rather “heel” does not put the fans off from cheering him. Patterson on commentary is furious with Steele’s actions and believes he should be kept in a zoo. Pre-recorded comments from Tito Santana. He is fine after the “cowardly” attack by Greg “The Hammer” Valentine and Brutus Beefcake and the best revenge he can think of is to pin Valentine one, two, three and become a two time Intercontinental Champion. Main Event Time as Tag Team Champions “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and “Cowboy” Bob Orton and The Foreign Leigon (The Iron Shiek and Nikolai Volkoff) (with Classie Freddie Blassie) pinned The US Express (Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo) and “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka and Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat. Orndorff gets the clean pinfall over Barry Windham when he hits him with his vicious looking piledriver. The heels head into Saturday Night’s Main Event with a huge victory. (11.25) The commentators tell us as the show goes off air to remember that no Wrestling Challenge will air this week and instead a special 2 Hour broadcast of Saturday Night’s Main Event will air instead.