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Front row, far left.

Ah, yes, Nanks, that is the dictionary definition of a cult. Brilliant insight.

Unless that verse is talking about something else. As I've said, Hell is not a very clear cut idea, all we can discern with absolute certainty is that you don't want to go there and how to avoid it. That's just another zen riddle. Is God so powerful he's more powerful than himself? It's a ridiculous question. He is forced to, actually, because he can't coexist with sin. We are incapable of getting rid of our sin, so the only way is Jesus' payment for it, the power of which is realized by belief. That's what Earth is for, to give us a chance. What you described actually is what happened, to Satan, and there is no possibility of redemption for him. In principle, I agree, because they won't end up in the same place in the end. Remember, it's a parable. People in heaven and hell can't talk with each other, but Jesus is telling a story in which they can because he wants to illustrate something by the dialogue. That's why I don't think we can be so quick to use this story as evidence for the nature of hell. God's standard declaration of a sentence to Hell begins with "Depart from me..." Also 2 Thessalonians 1:8 and 9. I think you knew that, because it mentions eternal destruction and so have you recently. It's all about who he's talking to. The Jews never questioned torment in fire, it was a given for them, the only question was who was going. They were incredibly self righteous people, in general, and very class discriminatory. The message about the poor is the main point of the story. That the rich man would be tormented and the beggar rewarded was radical stuff to them. They believed the same thing. That's not the point of the story. Their point of dispute was who and why. Well, sure God could make you stop sinning. But then you'd be a robot and this time I don't think you'll argue with me. Anyone who sees Hell is going to try to avoid it, that's obvious. It's almost on robotic levels again. If Hell's open before someone and God says "Follow me or go in there." is that even really a choice? That would be more like a threat. God gives you all kinds of warnings. The fact that I've told you this is a warning. The fact that you argue it shows you already knew. You've read the entire Bible. Yeah, you can use your intellect to conclude that God doesn't exist, that's fair, and you can tell him that when you see him. "Sorry, there just wasn't enough evidence." I'm sure he'll understand.

Yes, it doesn't say in that particular passage. So we don't know and I'm satisfied leaving it at that. It doesn't say anything about a coma just like it doesn't say anything about suffering. It could have been, oh... leprosy (old world leprosy, the kind that kills your pain sensing nerves) or any number of other things. By this definition, you torture children. Why haven't you sold all your possesions and devoted every moment of your time to feeding starving children? I recognize the flaws in comparing God to you, but the principle remains. Sin is to blame, by the way. I know, why does God allow sin? A question for the ages if ever there was one. It has to do with allowing you to have choice. He could wipe it all out now (he will eventually) but then he'd be condemning everyone who hasn't had time or the chance to be saved by him, which he doesn't want to do. In another way, God doesn't have to rain down manna, he has us. It really should be our responsibility to take care of those starving children, as God has never been a magic problem solver. If he was it would result in attitudes like this. You'd say, "Well, I don't have to anything, because God is my butler, and even if I actively screw up, he'll bail me out." And from another angle, if you believe God takes children who die to heaven, which as I've shown, is not an absolutely airtight belief, but is by all means within the realm of believability, then dying babies is not quite as harrowing as it first appears.

Well, for one, it was universally believed by the early church (by which I refer to when nonbiblical records pick up) who wouldn't have had any reason to lie or be decieved. Luke was not a particularly important person (apart from his books) and there wouldn't be much of a reason to falsely attribute the writings under discussion to him. If somebody was going to lie, they'd at least say an apostle wrote it, which was done several times.

Mormonism today owes more to Brigham Young than Joseph Smith, but he was just as bad. That's all I'll say for the moment, as I have my own religious thread to maintain.

They showed it on USA though, how obscure could that be?

You guys are so white...

I think it's funny watching you guys talking about rap. It's like watching Michael Moore and Rick Moranis discussing which phat new hip hop joint is the dopest. Here's what I think: You can't really compare anyone to Michael Jackson, cept maybe Presley or the Beatles. You have to be on that level to be mentioned in the same breath as him. Eminem is a serious candidate for most talented and popular at the same time rapper ever. Jay Z might be comparable in a way, but he never had near the negative press. Gza and Raekwon are better than Ghostface. I'd consider Deck and Masta Killa to be better than him as well, but it's debatable. Chronic was better than Doggystyle. Del tha Funkee Homosapien, Kool Keith, and Shock G are my favorite rap vocalists. You can probably discern the style I like based on that. Still, I'd say the three of them are better than Eminem.

Well, Paul does say it's better to get married than to burn (burn with lust, in this case) so if you just can't hold it, you would be advised to just get married. Of course, that's no flippant thing either, as God also hates divorce... which raises an interesting observation I've made about commitment, which is not necesarily relevant to the present conversation, but interesting. It seems to me you can choose to love someone, anyone you decide. If you really try to, I've found you can actually make yourself fall in love. I first noticed it by some friends of mine who had had arranged marriages. I don't think you can make yourself not love someone, however. This does end up relating to to how high a priority God places on marriage. With as much divorce as we have, it just breeds more divorce. If someone sees divorce as an option, they may take it after a falling out, and the more readily available and viable option it is, the less provocation it takes to use it. When, if you really were commited to your relationship, you could work out pretty much anything. The key is a willingness to try.

Q: Why do men say they don't care? A: A defense mechanism to mask their inadequacy.

The Stooges are so misunderstood. Fuck the Marx Brothers. Well, not Groucho, he was good, but the rest of them. Even though only 2/3 of the various stooges over the years were good, they're still the best old school comedy team, bar none.

Will Smith's movie theme song took that, Kool Moe Dee, and Stevie Wonder to make one of the worst pop songs ever. Oh, you bitch! Wild Wild West is king. But if you assholes don't like that, or Will2K, I suppose his sampling of Forget Me Nots on Men in Black ranks as well. Those are great songs though (well, not so much Will2K)... they're tributes to the sample.

By the way, my answer is Faces of Torture. Sell your soul to find it, it will become a part of your life forever.

Meet the Feebles really isn't obscure anymore either, it's by an Oscar winning director.

Many places. Too many for me to summarize concisely, because it says many different things about it.

Subby was in here talking some stupid shit. That's his strength, he can fuck up and make it seem like he meant to do it.

Hitler was a Disney fan, you know. Korn would scare him shitless.

This sad man(?) loves the smart marks.

Some Hitherto Unknown Theorizers, Thinking Hard, Even Finally Understanding Critical Knowledge, Under Pressure By Initially Triumphant Exploratory Studies love The Smart Marks.

I think I know that guy. Seriously.

Two cats, Titus and Marnie. They're pretty average.

I get it. Incy has now set himself up as Christ by getting people to whore posts by his whim alone where there are no post counts.

By that logic, fat and ugly women should be funny. They are occasionally, but not by a significantly higher margin.

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