Nighthawk

I'm responding to this first because it's the quickest and my time is limited, lest someone think I'm skipping something. I'll get to it all. Destruction in it's essence implies a state of totality being achieved. Fast and slow almost cease to have meaning in the realm of eternity. Even if it took a million billion zillion eons to destroy body and soul, once they're destroyed, they're destroyed. And you'd be no closer to the end of eternity than you were the first day. Not really. God created the universe but he didn't create himself. He simply exists, he has a nature, that being, unable to tolerate sin. He's, metaphorically speaking, polarized with it. If happiness is an extension of the presence of God, he cannot create a place where happiness exists, and then leave it. If you are attached to your sin and refuse to let go of it, God must, by his nature, put you away from him. And, as I just pointed out, he can't let you be happy without him, even if he wanted to, because happiness is a direct result of him. I used Lazarus being to there to say it wasn't hell. As I said, the word was hades, which, biblically and otherwise, is a place of the dead where everyone goes good or bad. They wait there for the final judgement where they will be admitted to heaven or condemned to hell. This final judgement is sometimes called the Great White Throne judgement and will occur after the end of the world. Remember that, because I'll refer to it when I discuss babies again. Another reason this is not Hell, is because if Abraham and Lazarus were in Heaven, Heaven is in the presence of God, Hell is, by definition, not. If the rich man is able to converse with Abraham, and Abraham is with God, he is by proxy in the presence of God. I never said you get smiles and sunshine when you die if you've lived an evil life. That doesn't affect whether or not the parable has a point. He was telling this story to Jews, they knew very well about eternal judgement. Remember, it's not as if God likes condemning people. He's diametrically opposed to sin. He wants you to be forgiven so you can be reunited with him, but if you love your sin too much, he can't just tolerate it. To use your analogy, and I realize this is a bit simplistic, but I think you'll get the gist of it, suppose you live in one of those John Travolta plastic bubbles, and your son comes in smoking a cigarette. You love him, and you want to be with him, but you can't just tolerate the smoke. Another parable applies here, the Prodigal Son.

I didn't think it was possible, but there was a wrestling reference I didn't hate.

He's not really rapping over it though, it's just part of the soundscape.

You don't do drugs, man. You're not fooling anybody.

Good riddance indeed!

Hey subliminal animal, I'm here to ruin your insult thread with put downs.

A censored version of an album will only be released if it carries a parental advisory, which it won't if there's only a few instances of profanity. I don't listen to either of those bands, so I don't know, but maybe that's why. That is good though, I buy cds there all the time (as long as they don't need to be censored) because they have a lot of stuff for under $10. Adding the whole collection would of course be better.

Not religions, just denominations. Lutherans are Protestant, of course, being named after the one doing the protesting, but pretty mainline. They do believe in a corporal presence. Transubstantiation is something you'll find in some protestant denominations and not others.

You know, Ice Ice Baby wasn't really a bad use of Under Pressure, I think you just don't like the song. As a sampling introspection, Ice Cube's "Jackin For Beats" was pretty cool, particularly the part over the Humpty Dance. They're no Paul's Boutique or the first few Public Enemy albums for that matter, but if anybody's listened to the early Esham albums (pre Closed Casket) they're beautiful examples of the art. Shame the laws put a stop to those kinds of albums. He came back to it though, on Mail Dominance, only sampling pubic domain that time.

Wait a minute... 2Pac wasn't the greatest of all time.

Perhaps, but I'm utterly convinced that Christ is not present in the host. The very fact that this is a recognized pagan custom, which predated Christ and existed in the Americas for probably thousands of years without Christian influence, attests to such a fact. Everything said scripturally regarding the communion indicates symbolism. The fact that the idea of transubstantiation didn't exist in Christianity for hundreds of years after Christ's death. The fact that God forbid idolatry even when the idol represented him leads me to believe he would not present himself physically in a wafer. This is black and white to me, but there's grey areas of Catholicism also. Like, the whole church is peppered with the idea of earning God's love. It's one thing to say that if you sin, you lose your salvation, which I would disagree with, but for Catholics to go hardline and give you a laundry list of things to do to gain and keep salvation, and then when you die have to work off more sin, it flies in the face of the entire biblical model of grace. Even if the Catholic church were a true church, the works system would poison it to the point of impotency. For example, the Anglican Church. Truly christian, probably, but absolutely dead and ineffectual. Southern Baptists, probably true Christians, but doing more harm to the work of Jesus than good in my opinion. Pentacostal, true Christians for the most part, but a feeble and even confused church. At best, Catholicism belongs with ones such as these. As for Revelation, I really have no way of knowing. Much of fulfilled Biblical prophecy was quite abstract, and some was ridiculously literal. Until it happens, there's not really a way to know what the balance is. By the way, Sp, I'd take a look at that if you posted it.

Well, I actually meant to say electric guitar, but point taken. RJ and Blind Lemon are of the old school (gods of the old school really), and I generally find all old school blues to be superior to new school. T-Bone was more of a direct influence on BB though, so here's where he gets mentioned. While I'm here, take these names as well: Son House, Blind Willie McTell, Charley Patton, and Son House again.

Those are two really great albums.

Well, for one, having ribs removed wouldn't make it easier to suck your own dick, it would just make it harder to breath. If you wanted to suck your dick, you'd have to have your spine lengthened.

I believe so. I know he used to tour real heavy and he slowed down with age some, but he still gets around. He did that Burger King commercial a while back "BK and BB's got something for you..." I actually thought it was pretty cool. By the way, Ced, if you really haven't been exposed to blues at all, prepare yourself, it will be almost as if you've never listened to music before. You've got that much ground to cover. I love blues, it'd be nice to have some other fans around here to discuss with. Prewar blues I especially enjoy.

You guys are cool, but you'd be cooler if you were black.

Am I to presume you've been engaging in this thread without even having read the book? I don't feel so bad about making you look bad then. Well, Revelation is a book of prophecy regarding the end of the world, sometimes called an Apocalypse. It was written around AD 90 by the Apostle John, at least that's the traditional view, there has been some debate as to it's true authorship. Basically many bad things happen. Most of the population of the Earth is killed, those who remain have to hide in caves and so forth. The seas become blood, the sun turns black, you get the idea. There's a war, Armageddon, with all of the armies converging on Israel, at the valley of Megiddo (a real place, Napoleon said it was the greatest place to fight a battle he'd seen). A third of the population is killed and blood fills the streets. Lots of other stuff which doesn't necesarily relate to your question. Anyway, the wars and destruction as described were largely beyond the means of reality at the time it was written, but with modern nuclear weapons and so forth it becomes all too real. At the height of this terror, it says Jesus will return to Earth and rule for 1000 years, after which he will unleash Satan for one last battle. Satan is defeated and God uncreates the universe. That's the gist of it.

Excuse me, is this the line to get the beer, or the line to get the tickets to get the beer?

Well... God hasn't created anything that can destroy the universe. If you're just talking about destroying humanity, or life on Earth, read the book of Revelation.

I don't know, faggot.

Change my name to IDrinkRatsMilk the Baptist.

I didn't even tell you how long I lived there. I would expect myelf to remember it. Also, break out the mountain oysters, ya hillbilly.

Yes, but could you word it less clumsily?

Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.

He's got like 100 albums, so don't expect to be a completist unless you've got a lot of time and money. B.B. King has always said one of his main influences as a guitar player was T-Bone Walker, and really I'd say he's a slightly better guitarist, so I'm gonna say try him out. He was the blues first real guitar virtuoso, and all blues electric guitar goes back to him one way or another.