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Thats something completely different, and you knew full well what I meant. Booing a heel is one thing, but booing a face before they even get to the ring is very different. No you dont have to cheer him at all. But couldn't you be respectful enought to actual, hmm I dont know ... watch his match before you boo him? Again, you take what I've said out of context. Ive stated on more than one occasion that I can only go by online reports. However, you have stated yourself that he was booed from the moment he came out. Its the whole attitude towards him. It was the same with Konnan. You basically think you know best, and you know what is good for ROH, if you get it into your head that you dont like someone you wont give them a chance. I thought you knew all about his "problems", most smart fans are only to eager to post about how he takes drugs etc Thats another point alltogether, im talking purely about what happened up to him getting in the ring. WHat he, reportedly, did afterwards is another thing alltogether, and weather i agree with it or not is irrelevant to my arguement. Im not going to continue this arguement, because you've basically summed it up in that comment. You say you didnt give Jeff a chance because the match sucked. But you have admitted that you booed him before the match even started. On top of that you made it clear that you were going to boo him before you even left home to get to the show. You have every right to do what you want, and you may believe that booing someone without giving them a chance to work for you is ok. However, I find it disrespectful and narrow minded. If you want to be another "smart" fan at an ROH show who thinks he knows best and will go along with what the rest of the crowd chant, then that is up to you, but I have a different opinion. No its not. I just cant understand why you wouldnt give a guy 5 minutes to impress you before you open your mouth and start booing him. This is why I cant be bothered with this arguement anymore. You just typed this a few paragraphs above:

I couldn't have put it better my self mate! Booing someone you dont like is fair enough Bob, but it can also be direspectful. If you go to a show with the intention of booing someone before they've even got to the ring, then that IMO is direspectful. Negative heat towards someone for being crap is fair enough, but you had allready turned on Jeff before he even made it to the ring. The ROH crowd on saturday had their heads so far up their arses that they were never going to even give the match a chance. They think they have the inside scoop and know more about the business than lowly Jeff Hardy will ever know. Therefore they will take any chance to show how "smart" they are, no matter what effect it has on anyone else. You keep saying that, but on Saturday you didnt give him a chance at all. Booing him before he even made it to the ring is hardly giving him fair chance to impress is it? Fair enough he could still have worked harder in the ring, but it still doesnt make booing him right. You wouldnt go to a concert and boo the shit out of the band as they cam eon stage and then expect them to give you 110% back for the rest of the show. This is exaclty the same thing. I know what your saying, but I think the FWA fans are more respectful as a whole. If Hardy came over here, I honestly dont believe he would get the same treatment. And no its not because Brit fans are dumb, I just think they would give him more of a chance. The only time I have seen the FWA fans act like idiot is with AmDrag and the mask. The heat he got was uncalled for and should never have happened. I think a lot of fans regret starting the chants, and I dont think we will get anything similar like that again. Crowd burnout and the late start also added to this, but thats another subject.

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It sounds pretty cool as well, thats why I wouldn't mind seeing what it looks like. Surely every pucnh would be like blading though? Unless some of the glass is smooth or they pull ever punch really early.

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Now now boys ... not this old arguement AGAIN! Has anyone seen picture of the main event, Im interested to see how they glass fists looked?

It might not have been such a bad idea to prep him to turn heel if the crowd reacted badly to him. Im not re-typing my whole arguement on this subject, as ive made my point allready. I just think it narrow minded to boo anyone the moment they leave the curtain, whether you have the "right to do so" or not.

I labelled the other thread pretty appropriately, how did you miss it?

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After sending Ian to the outside, Ian grabs a chair from under the ring, and begins to hit Zandig with it from the ring floor. Zandig grabs it however, and goes to the floor to fight Rotten. After both men go back and forth whacking each other's chairs, Zandig finally knocks Ian's out of his hand. Going back into the ring, both men continue to kick the shit out of each other. On the outside though, it looked as if JC Bailey came to the ring to attempt to help Ian. All of the CZW men kicked his ass however, except the five men of HI V. While the CZW men are beating the shit out of JC Bailey, Messiah sneaks into the ring and gives a HUGE ddt to Zandig onto the chair. Nick Mondo sees this however and jumps into the ring to get Messiah out of there. Rotten gets a 2 count on Zandig. After getting Messiah out of the ring, Mondio hits the M Bison on Ian Rotten. Zandig covers him for a 2 count. Following this, Trent Acid nails John Zandig with a huge Yakuza kick giving Rotten a cover. Kashmere takes Mondo out of the ring, and Rotten gets a three count in this one. All five HI V members and Ian Rotten hop the guard rail and head to the stage, as the CZW roster helps Zandig to his feet. Rotten gets on the mic and says that JC Bailey, Necro Butcher, Corporal Robinson, Ian Rotten and Nate "Spyder" Webb will see John Zandig in Dover, DE next weekened!!! John Zandig then got on the mic and asked HI V what happened to loyalty, what happened to being a 'family'. He said that everyone in CZW was there for Messiah when he had his tradgedy, but now that the tables are turned, it's a different story. He ordered the men of CZW to attack and get HI V and Ian Rotten. All of the CZW men get out of the ring very quickly and make it to the stage in no time. They chase Ian Rotten and HI V off the stage, through the back, through the entrance, down the entrance way, over the guard rail and out all of the doors!!!! This was turning into a riot as fury was in the eyes of every CZW wrestler in this building. Zandig led the CZW troops in the chase of Messiah, Hatred, Acid, Kashmere, B-Boy, and Rotten out the doors and down the streets of Swanson and Ritner. Zandig gave up on the wild gose chase, and called his men back.

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Thats exactly what it is "closed-mindedness". And although it can be amusing, it can also be bloddy annoying at times as well. So did I, and perhaps the way in which he reportedly phoned it in yet again, is why im so annoyed at this point.

After about two minutes, both men are already gushing due to the glass taped on each man's fists. This match has never even been taken into the ring yet, they are still battling on the outside with all of the lumberjacks cheering on Zandig. Zandig is now raking his fists all over Rotten's redneck forehead, watching as the blood quickly trickles down his face. Now, Zandig is beginning to work on the bicep and tricep region of Rotten, tearing them open with the glass as well. (Note: All five HI V members, including Messiah, are at ringside, but they are not cheering Zandig on at all.) Ian Rotten is a fucking bloody mess now, and he is beginning to take the upper hand in this one. Still no action inside the ring however. Finally, Zandig has thrown Ian Rotten into the ring, as both men are bleeding like pigs.

Thats the exact kind of attitude that pisses me off. This is wierd, because im not even a big Jeff Hardy fan. However, I do believe in giving someone a second chance. Im not talking about the many chances he had in the WWE before someone mentions that. The bottom line is he chose to come back and work the Indys, so he must still have some interest in the wrestling business. Therefore, give him a bloddy chance to at least work a match before you boo him out of the buliding. That kind of comment would usually get flammed all the way to hell and back, as it is a throw away comment that has absolutely no reason or fact behind it what so ever. But because its about someone that smarks hate, everyone lets it slip.

A few minutes ago, Rotten commented that he invented this type of match style. Zandig grabbed the mic and said that he might have invented this match, but Zandig and Wifebeater made it a hell of a lot better!!! Rotten said that he never heard of him, and Zandig said that he damn well did. Zandig said that Rotten might have sneak attacked Zandig and kicked his twice, but he never beat him in a one-on-one. He said that tonight, no one is coming to help Ian because the doors were being blocked by security and this match was now a lumberjack match. Nearly everyone from the CZW roster came to the ring and are now lumberjacks in this one!!!

Rotten just asked Zandig to make this match a little interesting. Rotten said that the stip. should be that if Zandig wins, he gets to pick the 16th manin KOTDM. If Rotten wins, he gets to choose the 8th man in TOD 2 next week. NOTE: Im loving that stip

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Making his way to the ring first is CZW Owner, John Zandig and he has broken glass all over his hands!!! Get ready for a sick and bloody Tai Pei Deathmatch!!!! Zandig just said "Get that fat fuck out here!" (referring to IWA M-S owner Ian Rotten.) Also with glass taped all over his hands, Ian Rotten is now making his way to the ring! NOTE: Anyone have pics to upload, I wouldnt mind seeing how the glass tapeing is done.

Cheers Parka. Done

The good apron is coming off the ring because we are getting ready for our main event of the evening!!! It still has not been announced what it is, but I think everyone has a pretty damn good idea by now!

Homicide and Trent Acid started this one off with some quick action back and forth. Both men tagged out however, allowing Mafia and B-Boy to go at it. Due to Mafia having the size advantage, he kept the upperhand in this one and Homicide came in and surprised B-Boy by turning him around and hitting him with a dimond cutter. Trent Acid was tagged into this one however and he came into the ring via top rope dropkicking Mafia. Mafia however was finally able to tag out to Homicide, but Trent Acid tagged out to B-Boy as well. Homicide put B-Boy on the top turnbuckle and nailed a very quick top rope rana. He then immediately tagged out to Mafia. Trent Acid also got the tag in at this point as well. As Trent Acid whipped Mafia to the ropes, from the outside, B-Boy grabbed his legs and pulled him outside to the floor. On the other side, Trent Acid took Homicide to the floor and after placing Homicide against the ring rail, Trent got onto the apron and did a very nice moonsault onto Homicide. B-Boy then made his way around to the other side for the double team. After recooping, Mafia got back in the ring and ran against the ropes, diving through the second and third ropes onto all 3 men. Back in the ring, Mafia and B-Boy battled, and Mafia dragon suplexed B-Boy into the corner. He then put him into a tree of woe, placing Acid into the same dragon suplex right into B-Boy. Homicide and Mafia were now destorying Acid and B-Boy, and Homicide set up Trent Acid into the corner for some stiff shots from both him and Mafia. After these, B-Boy nailed a standing Shining Wizard onto Mafia, and Trent Acid nailed a few Yakuza kicks onto Homicide. This match was now going at full speed and all four men were delivering 110% for a fantastic back and forth match. After back and forth suplexes and submissions (those from Homicide), fans were on the edge of their seats. Trent Acid nailed a move off the top rope and looked as if this was all over for Homicide. Mafia finally got to his feet to break the fall however. Mafia now looked as if he was going to finish off Trent Acid, but Dewey got into the ring and low blowed Mafia, allowing B-Boy to attmpt to finish off Mafia. Homicide finally got his feet however and took out B-Boy with a suplex. Out of nowhere though, Trent Acid bridged Homicide for a three count after rolling him up. Your winners of this one, Trent Acid and B-Boy!! After the match, fans chanted "Mafia" for about 30 seconds, quickly showing their respect to Homicide as well by chanting his name too.

I quite like a drop of Guiness actually. My prefered drink above all other is actually Murpheys Irish Stout. It still doesnt make much sense as to why they would pull shows after those last ones drew so well. I actually wouldt mind seeing the modest/williams match. You should try and make the trip over for Uprising 2. Surely you can get some cheap last minute flights over to london stanstead/gatwick?

So the reports were right then. IMO there are no reasons for booing him from the very start of the match. I said this before the show and I stand by it now. He screwed up his wwe career for himself, im not denying that. But at the same time if hes decided to work the Indys it shows he must have interest in the business left. Therefore give him a bloddy chance to impress. Thats the way it should have been. Give him ample chance and then boo him if hes crap and look slike he cant be arsed to work properly, ive got no problem with that what so ever. Why should he have to work against a crowd that was giving him nothing from the very start? Fair enough its now his own fault that he gave a crap performance and has made a rod for his own back, but at the end of the he wasnt given a fair chance to impress. The way I see it is that the crowd were there to boo him no matter what he did. I wasnt at the event but I think it would have taken a ****+ classic for the crowd to even acknowledge the fact that he was working properlly. The Philly fans just thought they knew best and that they didnt need a WWE reject. he was doomed before he even started.

Oh right, like in the Guiness advert They were just cashing in on the fact that the show was in Ireland then, I take it.

Next match: tag team grudge match between Trent Acid and B-Boy against Homicide and Mafia.