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Oulette seemed to be as agile as I've ever seen him. That package pile driver was just a sick, sick, sick, sick,sick, sick move and another example of something you'd never see on WWE.

11.07.03 | A Message From TNA President Dixie Carter Regarding Lex Luger It is rare that TNA ever responds to media, no matter how off it may be from fact. But we strongly believe it is appropriate at this time to address what is being said about Lex Luger appearing on our November 12th pay-per-view telecast. TNA is about opportunity -- for wrestlers new and established. For the fans, TNA provides a weekly program that showcases today’s hottest talent, introduces the stars of tomorrow, and provides the opportunity to re-experience wrestling icons. Since its inception, TNA has paid homage to NWA legends who have laid the foundation for our company. As far as TNA talent is considered, we could not be more proud of our entire roster who give their heart and soul week after week to build this special group. We believe in being compassionate and giving guys a chance. From new, incredibly talented young men to veterans who may need lifting up when trying to change their lives. Surrounding a man with the kind of environment we enjoy backstage at TNA can only be considered a very good thing. We are about accentuating the positive, not the negative. When our talent approaches management and recommends giving someone an opportunity, we listen, and that is the case with Lex Luger, as well as others. The success of bringing Lex to TNA won’t be measured with pay-per-view buys. It will be measured by what a man does with an opportunity given. As a company, if any talent becomes a negative force in the locker room, then they are no longer welcome to be part of our team, and that has been proven on occasion and will continue to be our manner of operation. The Ultimate X Match, Raven’s Clockwork Orange House of Fun and the current X Triple Chance Tournament are the kinds of things created to generate buzz and increase buys for TNA -- because it’s outstanding wrestling in a unique format. But to take advantage of a difficult point in someone’s life is not the practice of our company. Our philosophy may be uncommon in the wrestling business, but our goal is to be a different kind of company, inside the ring and out. Dixie Carter President TNA Entertainment

I'm going to give him a chance. I don't like Luger, but I will give him his chance. He very well might be motivated to get back in the best natural shape of his life to gain back the respect of the fans. You know Sting will be in his ear. Contrary to what people think, Luger is a pretty big name for most wrestling marks. If he's still a stiff windbag, then he won't last more than a week anyway, so quit your bitching.

A knockoff of it. Of course Sting doesn't suck. He's always been a hard and energetic worker and his connection with the fans is nearly unmatched.

Like Vince said at his birthday bash a few weeks ago...he will outlive us all.

Should those risks and pressures exist though?

feel better. I too, am just getting over a cold...

Hi Downhome. Perhpas you'd appreciate my "turning the thread into trolling" or however it was so kindly put.

I'm not petitioning to be the head of the new wrestler's union, really.

That's what I was about to say. I bet you more than 3/4s of the wrestlers that use pain killers dislike them, but they NEED them, and by now they can't stop. Which is why if they are in pain, they should be allowed to heal their bodies so they don't have to become addicted just to get by.

I could see them doing a light hearted segment with highlights from his hardcore reigns.

That is a whole different issue right there. While I wish Vince & Co. weren't on tv and ppv, they are above the wrestlers in the company, as sorry as I am to say it. Nobody will run a business and pay themselves less than their employees, it just wouldn't make sense. The workers should be enjoying those spots, I agree, but if they are gonna be there, thats just part of what you have to accept. I think you missed my point. When I suggested they would be paid while they were out, others argued that Vince couldn't afford to pay them the same salaries while they were out, but my argument was that he could as evidenced by the huge sums of money he assigns to his family that seem to come out of thin air.

More BREAKING news, as it happens!

Let's throw you on their schedule and take the bumps they take with the same pressures to be big and see how well you hold up.

What does that have to do with anything? I heard he bought John Cena a puppy dog too? What does that have to do with wrestlers dropping dead as the result of pressures to perform through fatigue and injuries and thus abuse drugs and pain pills and to adhere to the standard of huge bodies leading to steroid abuse. I never said Vince was an asshole but like most businessmen he thinks with his wallet and his own ego...

And you are ignoring the fact that they don't get paid the full amount when they don't. Even some of the lower card have to work other jobs while wrestling to make money. Vince is first and foremost, a business man, and if he can get rich having somebody risk their health and well being, while not paying them near what they are worth, he'll do it. It is understood, and it is part of the way things are, as shitty as it is. That's why a wise man once said: "enough is enough and it's time for a change." As I said, if Vince can afford to pay obscene pay per view pay outs to himself and his kids, he can pay the wrestlers fair compensation while they are injured.

Please do not put words in my mouth. I never said they deserved to die, and Ieven said I wish it was different. Even from my own personal experiences knowing the late Curt Hennig, I regret the pain that is involved in the business, and the effect it has on the people involved. But the thing is, given the chance to change and take time off, it would be refused. They want to wrestle, and if Vince says no to them, they would do it anyway. It becomes a part of them, for good or ill, and the situation probably will never trully change. If they are under contract to Vince, and Vince says "no you're taking time off to heal properly while I pay you" they can't wrestle. Vince told Jeff Hardy this every fucking week and jeff kept going "Nah" until vince had no choice. Jeff wasn't happy. He didn't want to be a wrestler (which contradicts the argument of THEY HAVE TO WRESTLE!) and by all accounts is doing much better and is much happier recording music.

Please do not put words in my mouth. I never said they deserved to die, and Ieven said I wish it was different. Even from my own personal experiences knowing the late Curt Hennig, I regret the pain that is involved in the business, and the effect it has on the people involved. But the thing is, given the chance to change and take time off, it would be refused. They want to wrestle, and if Vince says no to them, they would do it anyway. It becomes a part of them, for good or ill, and the situation probably will never trully change. If they are under contract to Vince, and Vince says "no you're taking time off to heal properly while I pay you" they can't wrestle.

Personally, I find it a bit sick that these wrestling deaths are happening at all, and god forbid someone tries to anaylize why they are happening. I'm mad as hell, and if you're a wrestling fan you should be too.

double post, sorry the board is slow.

This is not a flame war, we are discussing a serious issue that is literally life or death. I am proud to have spawned discussion beyond the usual crap we bicker over. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the damn thread.

So they became wrestlers, they deserve to die. That's what you're saying? The roster is deep enough to allow 4 or 5 to sit on the sidelines and heal properly without fucking themselves up on pain pills and cocaine. As I said it would FORCE new people to be pushed anyway.

Warrior had charisma and could at least execute simple offensive moves without hurting himself.

John Heindenreich and him are neck and neck. Man, would that be a fun match. Throw them out there for 10 minutes and see what happens. JR: BAH GOD MERCIFULLY ITS OVER!

Let's put it this way. I was on the fringe for Survivor Series. That little preview did nothing to make me want to see the 5 on 5 match.