King Cucaracha

Cool. In that case, I might be able to provide Jade and Melody (she's the one that's not injured, right?) vs. Megan and Holly. EDIT: Or, not. Maybe next week.

Backstage, Leon Rodez is listening to music on his iPod, when suddenly a finger reaches into view, and pushes the pause button. Leon looks up, and realizes that the finger belongs to Quentin Benjamin, who is standing over him, along with Charlie Moss. Leon raises from his seat. MOSS What happened last week? LEON Look. It's nothing personal against you guys, it's just you know I wanted to get at Reject. It was just wrong place, wrong time, that's all. BENJAMIN (smiles) Is that right. (smile disappears) Well, I could say the same for you right now. Things start to get tense, until Bohemoth walks into the picture, to the cheers of the fans in the arena. BOHEMOTH What's going on here? We got a problem? BENJAMIN I'd say so. TK & Reject have the gold back around their waists, all because your boy stuck his nose in our business. BOHEMOTH Speaking of which...I think you two need to leave. Bo steps in front of Leon and confronts Team Heyross, then looks up to see Brock Ausstin appearing behind them. The crowd cheers, then starts to buzz. BROCK (half-jokingly) Hey, Bo...my old buddy! Brock extends a hand, which Bo slowly accepts. BOHEMOTH Welcome back. BROCK Well, I appreciate that. Now that all the mushy stuff's out of the way...it seems you have a problem with my friends here. BOHEMOTH Ditto. BROCK Well that's a bit of a tough situation to find ourselves in, huh? Us with a problem with you... you with a problem with us... LEON Hold up, hold up! Leon steps back in front of Bo, a brave move with Brock immediately in front of him. LEON Look, I'm sorry, okay? I'm sorry you guys lost your titles and I'm definately sorry that Reject ended up profiting. I don't know what got into me last week but the fact is, I'm in the same boat as you. I wanted to get my hands on Reject for what he's been doing recently. Just like you guys at AngleSlam. And you did everything you could to get in the TLC Match. Did you guys give a second thought to my buddies D*LUX and their chances of becoming World Tag Team Champions, or was your only focus Reject? BENJAMIN You can't seriously compare that to last week! We got robbed of our belts... LEON And Reject's been running around attacking every woman in sight and sooner or later, he's going to end up hurting someone else that I care about. Some of the blood's on my hands as it is. I'm not expecting you to forgive me for costing you the belts, but surely you can understand why I went after Reject in the first place? Neither Benjamin or Moss answer, seemingly weighing everything up. Then, eventually, they back off a little, their body language a little less confrontational, which seems to relax everybody. BROCK Next time, sort your timing out first, huh? LEON There won't be a next time, don't worry. BENJAMIN See that there ain't. Benjamin slaps Leon on the side of the arm as he and Moss leave. A little slower is Brock, still faced up to Bohemoth. BROCK You're not in the Chamber Match, are you? BOHEMOTH Don't think so. Brock smiles to himself and nods. BROCK Glad to hear it. And with that Brock leaves, Leon raises an eyebrow to Bohemoth who just shrugs.

Big Show's impersonation of Hogan at Backlash 2000 was great as well. Pity they couldn't keep him something like that (big friendly giant who likes to have fun until someone makes him mad) now, instead of turning him heel yet again.

Well...they don't do any of that. It's an afterthought title that no ppvs are built around. It's always defended in the midcard (sometimes lower midcard) and it's held most of the time...by midcarders. It's existence would come to an end if they decided to dump the TV show. I know they don't do any of it. I think I kinda made point in the first paragraph. I'm saying, IF they did, none of what you said would matter, it'd be a World Title regardless. WCW called their Cruiserweight Title a World Title, I don't remember that being the selling point of any PPVs. Ditto for the Tag Titles.

Looking up the Hogan helmet further I found this... ...apparantly it was just a house-show thing, thankfully. Could you imagine if it made it to TV? I doubt any one item would be big enough to bring down Hulkamania back then... but, that might have come close.

See, I don't consider the ECW title a World Title. But only because WWE rarely if ever refers to it as such. It's the brand's championship, not a World's Championship. But, if they called it the ECW World Championship and they defended it outside of the US, what grounds would there be for disagreeing? Just because it'd be a bad World Title wouldn't mean it wasn't a World Title.

So, who is this grand council who dictates who's title is a World Title and who isn't exactly? PWI? Meltzler? And on a less sarcastic note, what's your criteria for a World Title if you're going to say certain 'World Titles' are phony?

A more obscure question. Watching Vintage Collection in the UK, they showed an event from 1988 in LA. Hogan wrestled Haku and came to the ring in a Gladiator style helmet with "Hulkster" on it and a big fist on the top. It was used in the finish (Heenan stuck it on his head and Haku got smashed into it instead of Hogan) and he wore it during the legdrop and posedown. First, any idea why the hell they'd put the top guy in the industry in a dumb prop? And second, any idea how long it lasted, because it's the first ever I've seen or heard of it?

Backlash 2000. And it was actually the other way around, Malenko via top rope DDT. One of the few highpoints of the LHV Title's worthless existance.

Now it's getting over, maybe they'll let him do Triple Haas.

Care to enlighten me on the whole "if they are from Louisville, Punk got buried" thing.. cabbageboy and DarKnight, basically. I don't think Punk was 'buried'. That doesn't make Jericho winning the title a good ending. The only people who seem to be defending it are people creaming themselves over Y2J, so they've got no right to complain about the pro-Punk crowd. Same story, different subject. It's not bad booking because it damages Punk. It's not good booking because it benefits Jericho. Bad booking is bad booking. This was bad booking.

Changed O'Hara's.

Spike Dudley standing up to Kurt Angle because he insulted Molly Holly. And tearing up Austin's petition for the same reason.

That made Punk seem even more of an afterthought. The World champion of the brand gets laid out, and we see nothing more of him the rest of the night. After Adamle said Punk might not be able to make it, did they even give an update on Punk's condition? Lawler said right before the main something along the lines of "I tried to get an update, but nobody's saying anything." So, no. I mean, surely they could have just showed him KOed with people crowding around after the Women's Match, then stalled for a minute before Adamle came out for the announcement. Then again, I guess there wasn't any fat to trim from the epic Big Show/Undertaker brawl to allow like 10/15 seconds for that!

All valid arguements. But surely the only arguement should be, wrestling logic says different. If a heel beats up a face and the face vows revenge and you build up the match as 'an eye for an eye', when the face inevitably gets revenge, surely you should have the retribution do as much if not more damage? Even if the heel is almost ten years younger and he doesn't actually do much when he comes back. Sane booking says you don't undercut the impact of a beating you've spent 2/3 months building to. The entire thing flies in the face of sane booking. It's like a cliché bad Russo-storyline. They built the classic scenario of the face getting sneak-attacked before his match and the tease of him needing to be replaced before the show... and then, you swerve everyone and have the HEEL be the hero who defies his injuries to come out and win the World Title, while the face just presumably stays injured*, because it's UNPREDICTABLE~! * Anyone else find it funny, they didn't even show Punk being loaded in an ambulance or so much as getting attended to by medical personnel. You just see Punk getting kicked and that's the last you see of him.

You know what, I take it back. If the ventriloquist is a bumbling idiot (Eric Young-esque) who's completely insane and a heel, and 'the dummy' keeps calling people out and insulting people 'against the ventriloquist's will', leading to him getting beaten up week in and week out, it'd be the best gimmick ever.

Done and done. Cheers.

That might be one of the dumbest endings to a PPV in recent memory. 1) Big Show's attack on Undertaker ended pretty well with Vickie spitting in Taker's face. But... Show turning. Firstly, who didn't see THAT coming!? Second, how many turns is this now, 10, 15? Third, Undertaker/Big Show again = meh. And fourth, how the hell did they mess up the momentum Show had post-Mayweather so badly by doing absolutely nothing with him until turning him? 2) CM Punk losing the title without even being in the match wasn't a great decision. Having it end the show was worse. 3) Okay, so you do an injury angle on the World Champion. So, you have CM Punk get kicked in the head and replace him with... the only man in the entire arena who was more injured than him!? And then have that person win the title!? What the fuck is that!? 4) Jericho beats the hell out of Shawn Michaels at GAB and he spends the night in the hospital. Shawn gives him an even worse beating in their epic grudge blow-off match and Jericho is SO injured, he manages to avoid a trip to the hospital all together and wins the World Title as a last minute replacement. Can ANYONE see the logic in that!? 5) The match sucked. All in all it was another pretty good PPV for 2008, but the ending was so weak.

So's my 6-Man, so show's complete.

CREDITS: SOME PEOPLES This show happened before AngleSlam. Well, MOST of AngleSlam. Let's reflect that shall we? KC- Keeping Chronology.

IL, X-Punk, we'll edit in your marker in due course. Anyone who's free and wants to volunteer please feel free. And yes, there is a reason for 'my' match besides just ego. Granted ego may be the main reason or at least very close, but you'd expect nothing less surely? Any problems or requests let us know.

Note from DrVenkman: This is a split topic, which is why it begins with King Cucaracha starting the first post with "Also". Also, I don't get the arguement some have been making about 'throwing Shawn/Jericho away on a nothing PPV like Unforgiven'. Do people really have any reason to consider shows bigger than other, aside from history? Ever since the brand-only PPVs ended all the PPVs just blend together for me. You're just as likely to see a match like Edge/Undertaker or Orton/Cena on a 'B-show' as an 'A-show'. Do we consider only Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam and Survivor Series as the elite shows? And in that case, how do you explain HHH/Cena at 'B-show' Night Of Champions? Or Edge/Undertaker Career vs. Title TLC Match at 'B-show' One Night Stand? To me, Royal Rumble has the Rumble Match which makes it stand out and Wrestlemania is Wrestlemania. Summerslam and Survivor Series are only really any different from the rest because of historic value. Besides that, all the PPVs seem to be virtually equal and samey, at least to me.

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6-Man Tag Titles Cucaracha Internacional vs. Jamie O'Hara and The Christ Air Express This might have to be posted on Monday since I'm not sure I'll be around on Sunday to do so. So leave me a space somewhere.

EASY! EASY! I'm a little annoyed none of the CHIKARA heads involved felt it neccessary to draft 2.0