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I remember a week or so before the Clash of the Champions with Sting vs. Flair in the unification match (June 94), one of the WCW syndies had Mean Gene in the control center for BATB 94 a little too early. So simply from watching the control center, I knew Cactus & Kevin Sullivan would keep the tag belts, Arn Anderson would agree to be Dustin Rhodes' tag partner against Terry Funk & Bunkhouse Buck, and Flair would beat Sting and meet Hogan at the PPV. I always imagined someone lost their job over that.

I actually hated HBK / Razor II. Flair / Vader had suspense behind it. Flair seemed to be going downhill while Vader easily beat everyone. Everyone knew Shawn would win the rematch as payback for WM X. Flair / Vader at the Clash of the Champions a month prior was a good way to start the program. Flair won on DQ even after controversially pinning the champion, at least in the fans' eyes. Even so, Vader dominated most of the match. HBK / Razor at WM X had 7 months of buildup. The rematch had about 3 weeks with one televised altercation. Plus, I was kinda looking forward to HBK vs. Sid - being that Sid wasn't a complete joke at the time and his feud with Shawn from the day after WM was unresolved. Sid / Vader could have possibly been the worst match not only in Starrcade history, but in the history of mankind.

Dude, what's the joke? I seriously saw this match. Edit: What would you rate it?

They're just different styles. Sting can't work technically like Flair and Flair can't fly like Sting. Sting / Vader are good matches - GAB 92, Starrcade 92, and the title change in Dublin come to mind but there's not much variety from one match to the next. Sting powerslams Vader off the top, Sting misses the Stinger Splash in the corner and hits his head on the post, Sting surprises Vader with the rolling kick thingy. Matter of fact, both Bash 92 and Dublin ended the exact same way. The other title change in London and Starrcade 92 ended the same way too.

Oh man, that was a great match. Used to have a copy but taped over it with an episode of 'Saved by the Bell'. You know, the episode where Screech was trying to get with Lisa?

I stand by what I said - Scorpio hadn't wrestled a singles match in months. Benoit was February and that was it. Then he was put in a tag team with Bagwell. Slamboree was Scorpio / Bagwell against Eaton / Benoit. As far as the puro references, I'll bet you $5 you can't win an argument withouth bringing puro into it

I've seen more than enough Sting / Vader btw. 92 and 94, being that it's one of the few main events from that period. They're good but one is no better than all the others and you'll never find one mentioned as MOTY. Windham / Scorpio was good for free TV but had about as much excitement to it as Triple H / Bubba Ray from Monday. It was a glorified squash with the NWA Champion against someone who hadn't wrestled a singles match on TV in months. Flair did what he needed to do in that match - sell. He sold Vader's blows like they were death and that was the right thing to do. For Flair to beat the unstoppable Vader, it had to be somewhat of a fluke and that's how it came off on TV.

I had forgotten about Benoit vs. Sullivan. The GAB 96 show in Baltimore is where they fought in the men's room - the following year's BATB is where Sullivan retired. I thought the match was pretty damn good - especially for the times. It was a major highlight of the PPV, which I thought was pretty decent. They redid the bathroom fight during a house show in Baltimore that November, the day before World War 3. It might not be revolutionary but it's one of the best matches of the year, without a doubt. It put Benoit on the map in the U.S.

Not sure how much these guys have to reek of sucktitude, but here goes... Bradshaw & Ron Simmons (tag or singles) Rick Rude The Honkytonk Man Demolition The British Bulldog (when he wasn't facing Bret or Owen)

I don't think that's coming back unless the Assassin gets a WWE contract.

Sting didn't fight Vader at Slamboree 93. Bulldog did. They did fight at the 94 show in Philadelphia.

Scorpio/Windham was better than Flair/Vader? Maybe in Bizarro World.

92: Bret Hart vs. the British Bulldog from Summer Slam 93: Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair marathon match from Boston (Flair/Vader from Starrcade is a close second) 94: Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart from WrestleMania X 95: Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon from Summer Slam (I personally hate this match but haven't seen enough of ECW at this time to pick one specific match to beat it; probably anything would do) 96: Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin from Survivor Series (Malenko/Mysterio from Havoc is a close second) 97: Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin from WrestleMania XIII (chosen for different reasons than the first; this was probably the most influencial match of the 90s and sent Austin on his rise of fame while it spelled the eventual downfall of Hart in the WWF which led to Montreal) 98: Chris Benoit vs. Booker T from the Best of 7 series (pick one, just make sure Benoit won) 99: Edge & Christian vs. Matt & Jeff Hardy ladder match from No Mercy (any of the series of matches btw. Benoit/Saturn and DDP/Bigelow/Kanyon would follow) 00: Triple H vs. Cactus Jack streetfight from Royal Rumble (TLC from Summer Slam is a close second) 01: Chris Benoit vs. Steve Austin Smackdown! match from Edmonton (the one that didn't end with the Montreal Finish) 02: The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan from WrestleMania X8 (haven't seen a PPV since KOTR)

Muraco was certainly among the top 10 heels of the 80s - right up there with Piper, Orndorff, and Andre. He had some incredible stamina and had a series of 60-minute draws with Backlund when both men were title holders. Once Hulkamania took off, Muraco took the Hulkster to the limit on several occasions (one of which being that throw away match on SNME where Bundy jumped Hogan which led to WM 2). I believe he and Hogan had a few cage matches to settle the feud. Muraco had dominated the WWF for years before Hogan even showed up and was a legit top contender for quite a while. I know the WWF used to send him to Toronto's Maple Leaf Garden several times a year back in 82 or so, to both defend the IC title and fight for the Canadian Heavyweight Title. This was before the Garden was exclusive WWF property. So on a single card, you would see guys from the NWA like Flair and Race, maybe Bockwinkel from the AWA, and the WWF representatives would be Backlund and Muraco. It's pretty clear to see Muraco's downfall when you look at his status year to year: 1982 - top contender to world title, IC champ 1983 - cage match with Snuka - one of the greatest cage moments ever, wins the match and technically the feud 1984 - loses IC belt to Santana 1985 - top contender to Hogan - probably his last good year 1986 - WM2 throw away with Orndorff (Hogan's 2nd fiddle at the time) 1987 - stuck in a tag team with Bob Orton, turns face, comes to Superstar Billy Graham's aid against Butch Reed & One Man Gang 1988 - advances in the WM4 tournament controversially, loses to Dibiase, jobs to Dino Bravo in a very short match at Summer Slam, leaves shortly before Survivor Series

Maybe when Sgt. Slaughter returns from that brutal beating at the hands of Test he'll bring the loaded boot back with him!

Bobby, the match isn't clipped on the master. I'd recommend just getting Havoc 93 if you can find it - instead of the compilation tape. There's only one stinker (a lame 6-man tag with Harlem Heat and four losers to open the show) and several solid matches. Bulldog vs. Regal in a classic underrated match Sting vs. Sid (good for what it is) Flair vs. Rude Rhodes vs. Austin Steamboat vs. Orndorff

I might be interested. Are you willing to sell or just trade?

Don't even try to make an analogy to Iraq, and then on top of it to take the wrong side in the argument.

Talk about not having a sense of humor ... settle down, people. It's not like we're going to go out and shoot a missile into his overpriced piece of shit home in CT. We just don't like him and his egomaniacal ways.

Razor / HBK from Summer Slam 95. No one can convince me this is a better match than WrestleMania X. I saw it as Shawn's Playground where he can do some more wild and crazy stunts to get himself more over as a face. ...And then there's the whole thing about the match being put on at the last minute with no buildup just to get a higher buyrate. TLC and Hell in a Cell 1 are good matches but their shock value has rapidly decreased over the years. I actually liked Flair / Vader quite a bit. Not for the match itself, just for all the emotion tied up in it since Flair's career was on the line and Vader was an unstoppable monster at the time. Same reason Bret / Bulldog from Summer Slam is my favorite match.

They could always bring back Madusa (forget about trashing the WWF Women's title) and fill up Tim White's bar with some homeless people, midgits, and carnies. Then Triple H can try to scare RVD with scowls and overly deep promos...and there's always the laser thing.

Of all the legendary WWF stars, Andre seems to be one of the most respected and loved by the company. Guys like Hogan, Savage, Piper, Bret, and Sammartino who all helped build the company and were the cornerstones for the federation for many years don't seem to be as fondly remembered as Andre was. I mean, hell, when the WWF bought out Coliseum Home Video back in 98 - what was one of their first videos? Andre the Giant: Larger than Life. Not Hogan, who was a bigger draw in the long term. He was the first to be inducted in the WWF Hall in Fame shortly after his death, everyone loves him, everyone has great stories about him, and there doesn't seem to be a point to do a tribute just because his daughter is from Seattle. (And yes, I'm sure she's a Hoss and could take Batista to the limit)

You CANNOT go wrong with "I'll Be Your Hero" and "With My Baby Tonight"! Now I can relive all the memories of the Lex Express and Double J's music video

I'm actually torn here. Long-time Bret fan, will always be, and he's the reason I watch wrestling - however - and I know for a fact some people that know me are going to be royally pissed about this but I had to go with Shawn Michaels. They're basically even in my book but Michaels had better mic skills and charisma, that's basically the tie breaker. I'm not a fan of Michaels' backstage antics and reputation but he had what it takes inside the ring. I vote HBK as Wrestler of the 90s over Bret for the same reason I might vote Hogan as Wrestler of the 80s over Flair. If I was voting for my favorite wrestler of the 90s, I'd go with Bret.

Which casket match - the one where the entire heel locker room comes out and pounds Taker to death or where they got Chuck Norris to ninja kick Jeff Jarrett while IRS came out of the crowd to choke Taker out?