DrVenkman PhD

WWF Royal Rumble is a bit of a toss up... on the SNES, you have Ric Flair, but on the Genesis you have Rick Martel and Hulk Hogan (among other character swaps). I did like the ablity to be Hogan when the game finally came out for Genesis and was rented at my Genesis owning friend's house (I never owned the SNES version, apparently $102 Canadian was a bit much to spend on a game.. got Raw though).

Old Magazine Site has some magazines for sale with covers that will either remind you of the old days or give you a good laugh at how things turned out. Some are also just plain silly. This an example of a good one And this one made me laugh If this has been brought up before, sorry.

Actually that was the cover I meant to post the first time. I found it yesterday and only remembered the hilarious face, so I thought I found the same one again.

Let's see how long it takes me to get pissed that this link doesn't apply to Canadians... 3 seconds!

As shitty as it is, I have to credit the Sailor Moon dub of 95 to getting me interested in anime. That led to watching the DB / DBZ dub that year, and my friends and I were hooked. I've since educated myself that all of those dubs were awful, but when I see them on TV it brings back nostalgic memories. I generally hate admitting the Moon part, but I genuinely like the show (still watch the last movie every now and then). DBZ, again, is another case where every hardcore anime fan on earth tells me how much it sucks, but I like it, and like it even more since I switched over to the Japanese version via DVD a few years ago. I've been watching Dragonball on YTV lately.. it's a different dub then the US (done by Blue Water / Ocean, not Funimation) and it started out good, even calling Goku 'Son Goku', but there's been a lot of Funimation style 'referencing places that exist on our Earth' problems as of late. Still, it seems like a good dub overall and a fun show. I'm pretty mainstream when it comes to anime, and have taken up watching the Inu Yasha dub this year after watching it with a friend, and I love it. Outside of the 'mainstream box', I did watch the Excel Saga series on DVD this year and was throughly amused, and managed to rent a few volumes of Berzerk from the video store as well.

Ok, so I was watching the Barry stuff today... the match, which I've never seen, was great, but that wasn't the most amusing part for me. The music used in the intro chapter is the same music that is used for 30 minute Sex Line infomercials that air here late at night.

I've been watching EP since it started in the late 90s (1997ish I think). It must have picked up a cult following at some point because it went from being cancelled and rescheduled every 3 months to dropping the reviews part of the show and spinning it off into a whole 30 minute program of it's own. I used to talk with Zoe Flower (original producer / Token Female that Julie Stoffer now is) via e-mail.

As usual Downhome is the voice of reason when everyone finds something to bitch and moan about.

WWE House Show (Raw) - November 21, 2003 The attendance was not very good. The entire upper deck was blocked off and the corners of the lower bowl were empty. Opening Match/Segment: Hurricane/Rosey def. Dreamer/Brawler: Coach opened the show by promoting local radio station WRIF, free shirts, and a contest that people who purchased Programs were eligible for. He remained the ring announcer for the entire show. Coach, surprisingly, had a lot of heat (although we appeared to be in a 'heel section', as we and others around us tried a 'Coach! Coach! Coach!' chant). He welcomed the man who made the show possible, the only Raw GM, Eric Bischoff. Eric said Bubba Dudley was suspended, so D-Von would be able to pick a partner of his choice for later in the show, and ran his mouth until Hurricane interupted. Brooklyn Brawler came out and attacked Hurricane, but Tommy Dreamer made the save with the Kendo stick.. but then turned. It was a 2 on 1 handicap match until Rosey made the save. Hurricane pinned Brawler with the Shining Wizard, but Bischoff and Coach complained of cheating. Originally, this was scheduled to be Hurricane vs. Brawler and Dreamer vs Rosey. La Resistance ran in, followed by Jindrak and Cade for the save, leading to.. Match #2: Jindrak/Cade def. La Resistance: Dupree called us "Detroit retards". Energetic effort, the green team won with their Dropkick/Spinebuster combo. Highlight was people in our section (self included) loudly chanting "Dance! Dance! Dance!" at Dupree. He did a move much like the people's elbow where he lowered his knee pad while stnading above Cade's head, then did THE DANCE~! much to our amusement, then dropped the knee. He had a huge grin on his face while doing it, seemingly enjoying our support. Match #3: Mark Henry (/w Theodore Long) def. Val Venis. Pre-match, Long noted the lack of black players for the Red Wings, and noted the only the puck was black, with whitey attacking it. Hockeytown should be known as "Honkytown". Mid match, Val got the mic to say a girl Teddy was arguing with could kick his ass. Val worked hard. Finish was Val missing the Money Shot and Henry doing his powerslam. Post match, Henry wiped himself with Val's towel and threw it on Venis. Val then gave it away to an excited young woman, who apparently forgot what Henry did with it. Coach called a guy in an Evolution shirt the biggest idiot in Detroit for wanting the towel and kiss from Val, with his only saving grace being his coice of shirt. Match #4: Lita/Christian def. Matt Hardy/Molly Holly. Highlight for us was being in the 5th row while Molly was being over in her nice outfit there. Christian managed to play the face and heel (he shoved Molly to the ground in a heel manner, for example) at the same time. Lita got the win wit a DDT on Molly. Post match, Coach interviews Lita. Jazz attacks, but Lita fights her off with another DDT and slaps Coach. Match #5: Chris Jericho def. Maven. Coach acknowleged our sections "Y2J" chants by smirking and giving the thumbs up. Jericho, on the other hand, ranted about people saying he either sucked or was an asshole. Finish was Jericho low blowing Maven and making him tap in the Walls of Jericho after an earlier attempt led to a rope break. Match #6: D-Von Dudley/Hurricane (fighting for The Dudley Boyz) def. Scott Steiner and Test to retain the World Tag titles. This was annoucned as No DQ, but that only played into the finish when Hurricane and D-Von put Test through a table to pin him. Crowd chanted "We Want Stacy". Mid match, D-Von got the mic to say some fan in the front row could kick Steiner's ass. Test was cut open on his abs after the table spot. Post match, Rosey, Hurricane, and D-Von surveyed the crowd for who best deserved a piece of table thrown to them, but elected to give it to a child and pose in the ring with him to a nice pop. Everyone looked happy here. Match #7: RVD def Kane by DQ (Chair shot). Very short match. Kane missed his clothesline, got a chair, Rob Van Daminated him. Kane ended up getting the chair again and hitting RVD. Lots of boos. Match #8: Booker T/Goldberg def. HHH/Randy Orton/Batista. We came very close to being hit by HHH's water bottle. Evolution was going to leave, but Booker and Goldberg convcined them to return. The match was built around Goldberg getting the tag, cleaning house, doing a spear on two people at once (HHH and Orton), then Jackhammered Orton for the win. Good heat for the match. Not great work, but people were into it. HHH was in there a lot more than I expected and even sold for both men. After the match, Booker T promised us the first ever Goldbergaroonie, which was not bad. Big pops. They shook hands with everyone who ran up to the front afterwards. A fun show overall, though not all the work was great. Most wrestlers really looked to be enjoying themsevles (most noticeabley Dupree and Rosey) and many people could be seen noticeably smiling and holding back chuckles during the show despite the low attendance. Stephen Gray

deancoles411, your Real Liontamer picture rules because it has Marty Jannetty in it. I would have liked to seen that match.

Hey Rico, are you getting the 2003 collectors box too? I figued, especially with some of this year's PPVs, I'd be the only one here to do that.

Damnit I forgot to mention HHH ripping on Roddy Hogan (or a resonable facsimile).

This DVD is the best now, but it will clearly be replaced very soon by 'The Undertaker: He Buries Them Alive'. Classic matches include vs Kawng, vs Jim Neidhart, vs Yokozuna, vs. Jerry Lawler, and of course, vs. Fake Undertaker!

screw it, Amazon.com is down to $25, which with the stronger Canadian dollar is about what they'd be charging me on Amazon.ca for an import. Ordered and on the way!

Does anyone know if Amazon.ca takes forever to ship things? I'm not objecting to paying the US price if it means I can get it at the same speed I have received stuff from Amazon before, but if the Canadian Amazon is just as fast (but the idea that it's an "Import" makes me think it's not), I'll just order from them.

Off hand, I can't think of any really good Angle matches that haven't already been released on DVD. With a Flair, or a Rey, or a Jericho, or a Shawn, they have lots to use from WCW or older WWF that happened during the $45 Coliseum tape era, and therefore I don't own. All of Angle's PPV work I already have on tape, and off the top of my head I can't think of any really good stuff from TV. Cena's debut vs. Angle is on BTWS 2, vs. Rey and vs Rey vs. Benoit is on the Rey DVD. Maybe Rey/Edge vs Angle/Benoit 2/3 falls would be good. Discussing what matches that aren't already available on DVD (or, again, for those who are wise with money and won't buy something crappy like Backlash 2002 just for Angle vs Edge) would be a good idea for another thread, as this is about Flair.

I would certainly hope that if the Angle DVD has the Ironman match on it, it would be restored without commercials. Frankly, as much as I love Angle, that would probably be the one thing to get me to buy the DVD (or some other really good TV matches). I'm sure the Angle DVD will be great for folks who are actually wise with their money, but for those who blow it to own every PPV, there isn't much besides awesome TV matches that can be put on it to make me buy it.

It's an awful match, but let it play through next time, as Heenan and Gorilla really shine (more so than usual) on that match. They always turned it up a notch when the match was awful. My one regret with FF'ing through matches, especially from the Ventura orHennan eras, is that I could possibly be missing some grade A commentary. It's been a loooong time since I've watched that match in full, but I'll be sure to give it a listen next time.

I was indeed asking if they showed it from the beginning, and not what Flair's number was (having seen said Rumble more than any other Rumble, I'm well aware it's 3), but I figured my question was being answered properly by saying "#3". DiBiase is awesome, but as long as it shows Flair entering and Hennan going nuts, that's fine. I have the match on Master anyway, I just like the fact I can watch it, in DVD, no tracking error from a dated tape, quality by clicking a button as opposed to setting the tape up in the right spot (assuming I'm not watching New Foundation vs Express and Piper vs Mountie... LOD vs Disasters may be watched the next time the tape ends up in rotation.. which just ended, so back to WrestleMania 1.. but Bushwahckers vs Beverly's is always FF'd through.) Edit: It seems while I took my sweet time to type this, it was confirmed Andrew goofed and everything is there. Hooray!

Not a big deal to me, but others seemed cocnerned in other threads (and this may have been asked/answered elsewhere), but does the Rumble begin with Flair or at #1?

Thanks for the confirmation, Bobby. I noticed when I went to Best Buy in Dearborn to buy Bloodbath(screw you, Koch) they didn't seem as up to date with their selection. I looked over the entire section for Unforgiven (I know, I know... but I'm just 4 DVDs away from having my very own 2003 Collection Case!) and didn't find it, which is the first time this has happened. I got the good DVD though, and that was the most important thing. It seemed to be the last BLoodbath on the shelf, which was nice. I find the main problem, at least near the Best Buy I go to, is unlike your FYE's, wrestling is grouped in with Special Interest and Sports, and not organized very well. I have to look through softcore porn DVDs, sports DVDs, and other such things to find isolated WWE DVDs sitting next to some isolated backyard wrestling DVDs.

blah blah blah blah... is anyone here going to bother confirming what the chapter "A Special Night in Wherever" is? There is some concern over whether that is from some Nitro in 98 I've never seen but everyone is raving about, or the post show ceremony from a Raw earleir this year (which we know already is on the disc).

Let's hope my bad luck of thred repetition is not continuing.. I swear I only saw the old DVD thread... His name draws universal awe and admiration. He is the 16-time Heavyweight Champion of the world. He has held the World Championship more times than any competitor in the history of sports-entertainment. Fans around the world pay tribute by shouting his trademark “Woooooo!” He’s influenced more Superstars than anyone else. There are legends and all-time greats, but there is only one Ric Flair. Wrestling match footage from the 70's, 80's, 90's and today that includes some of Ric's most famous matches! Disc One: Harley Race and the NWA championship *Ric Flair vs. NWA World champion Harley Race in a steel cage match with Gene Kiniski as the special referee (from Starrcade, Flair wins title, 23:46, 11/24/83) ****1/2 Bonus Feature: $25,000 Bounty - Harley Race puts a price on Flair's head Orton and Slater collect - Bob Orton Jr. & Dick Slater accept the challenge Bonus Feature: Flair Announces retirement due to injuries from the attack Bonus Feature: "It's Only Just Begun!" - Flair attacks Orton and Slater with a bat Bonus Feature: NWA Press Conference to select the site of the Race vs. Flair rematch Bonus Feature: Starrcade '83 Pre-Match Interviews: Harley Race Ric Flair Race, Bob Orton Jr., and Dick Slater Ric Flair and Wahoo McDaniel Bonus Feature: Starrcade '83 Pre-Match Interviews: Ric Flair Harley Race Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, and Jay Youngblood Dusty Rhodes: Talking the Talk *NWA World champion Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes (from Starrcade, 22:04, 11/28/85) **1/2 Bonus Feature: Flair and the Andersons Break Dusty's Ankle - recap of the attack in a cage Bonus Feature: Flair Cuts a Promo - Comments on Dusty's injury Bonus Feature: "That's Hard Times!" - Dusty's first interview after the injury Bonus Feature: Controversy Explained - Flair retains the title after a controversial ruling Bonus Feature: The Man - Flair gets riled up Bonus Feature: The Legend - Dusty comments on the disappointing decision Barry Windham: Keeping up with the Champ *NWA World champion Ric Flair vs. Barry Windham (from World Wide Wrestling, 45:00, 1/20/87) ***** Bonus Feature: Attacked by the Horsemen - Windham and Ron Garvin discuss the 4 Horsemen Bonus Feature: "You Cried the Blues" - Flair tells Windham to "quit talking and do it!" Bonus Feature: Flair vs. Windham 1/13/87 - the match in Columbis, SC turns into a melee Bonus Feature: Dusty's Analysis - Post-match commentary on the Flair vs. Windham match Bonus Feature: Flair Post-Matchy Promo - Flair and the Horsemen celebrate in the locker room Disc Two: Ricky Steamboat: The Rivalry *Ric Flair vs. NWA World champion Ricky Steamboat in a best two out of three falls match (from Clash of the Champions VI, 55:32, 4/2/89) ***** *Ric Flair vs. NWA World champion Ricky Steamboat (from WrestleWar, Flair wins title, 31:37, 5/7/89) ***** Bonus Feature: Ric Flair & Barry Windham vs. Ricky Steamboat & Eddie Gilbert - Steamboat returns to the NWA (1/21/89) Bonus Feature: Steamboat's Three-Man Workout - Flair interrupts a training session Bonus Feature: Flair Calls Out Steamboat - Steamboat and Flair go at it again at Clash of the Champions V (2/15/89) Bonus Feature: Controversy Recap Flair's Lawyer Jim Herd Ricky Steamboat Ric Flair WrestleWar Pre-Match Interview Terry Funk: Hardcore *NWA World champion Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk in an "I Quit!" match (from Clash of the Champions IX, 18:33, 11/15/89) ***** Bonus Feature:Press Conference - Flair announces that he will return to wrestling(6/22/89) Bonus Feature: Bagged - Terry Funk puts a garbage bag over Flair's head (9/12/89) Bonus Feature: "I'll Shake His Hand!" - Funk says he'll shake hands if Ric Flair beats him (11/4/89) Bonus Feature:Flair's Rebuttal - Flair answers back (11/4/89) Bonus Feature: "You're Gonna Say 'I Quit'!" - Flair interview one week before the match Bonus Feature: New York Knock-out Promos - Flair and Funk before the "I Quit" match Bonus Feature:Pre-Match Interviews Terry Funk Ric Flair The Plane Crash History of the Horsemen A Day in the Life of the Horsemen Disc Three: The "Nature Boy" Heads North *30-man Royal Rumble for the vacant WWF World title (62:02, 1/19/92) ***** Bonus Feature: Bobby "The Brian" is Excited - Heenan prepares for a visit by "The Real World Heavyweight Champion" Ric Flair Bonus Feature: Flair's WWF TV Debut - from Prime Time Wrestling (9/9/91) Bonus Feature:Funeral Parlor - Paul Bearer interviews Ric Flair and Bobby "the Brian" Heenan Bonus Feature: Flair attacks Piper - Ric attacks Roddy Piper at ringside Bonus Feature: The "Real" World Heavyweight Champion - Flair tells everyone what he really thinks about Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper Bonus Feature: Rumble Post-Match Interview - Flair receives the WWF Championship belt after winning the Royal Rumble Sting: Defining an Era *WCW World champion Ric Flair vs. WCW International champion Sting in a title for title unification match (from Clash of the Champions XXVII, 17:17, 6/23/94) **** Bonus Feature: Kicked out of the Horsemen - the 4 Horsemen kick Sting out of the group Bonus Feature: Reeking of Sex Appeal! - Flair cuts another funny promo on Sting Bonus Feature: Ladies and Gentlemen...Sting! - Pre-match interview with Gene Okerlund A Special Night in Greenville Bonus Feature: Flair's World Wide Wrestling Federation Debut - vs. Pete Sanchez at Madison Square Garden (3/1/76) Bonus Feature: A Workout with Piper - Flair and Roddy Piper do some amateur wrestling (1/24/82) Bonus Feature: PWI "Wrestler of the Decade" - Flair is named "Wrestler of the Decade" by Pro Wrestling Illustrated Magazine (11/15/89) Bonus Feature:The Final Nitro - Flair address the fans on the final episode of WCW Nitro (3/26/01) Bonus Feature:Ric Flair vs. World Heavyweight champion Triple H with the post-show tribute that has never-been-seen before on TV (from RAW, 7:24, 5/19/03) **1/2 Easter Easter Eggs Disc 1: Go to Chapters. Right click on the chapter titled: "Barry Windham: Keeping up with the Champ." You will see a promo from Flair from the Summer of 1985 where he talks about Magnum T.A., Nikita Koloff, Buddy Landell and James J. Dillon (3:30) Disc 2: Go to Chapters. Right click on "Home." You will see a promo with David Crockett and Ric Flair following the newly formed Horsemen injuring Dusty Rhodes. Disc 2: Go to Chapters. Left click on the chapter titled: "Day in Life of the Horsemen." You will see a promo with Flair from June 1987 talking about Jim Garvin, The Freebirds and Larry Bird. Disc 3: On the main menu page go to play. Left click and once the WWE logo is highlighted, hit enter. You will see a Flair promo from 1987 talking about the Road Warriors, Freebirds, Jim garvin and Precious (2:14) (I'm not sure who assigned those ratings.. this is from 1w)

I can't tell if Nash was joking or being serious with the first question.

If HHH is going away to film movies between Series and Rumble, I don't see why he should be getting the belt back, so Goldberg should pin Trips and cement himself as someone who managed to beat HHH on back to back (eligable) PPVs. The Monster Kane is the next logical opponent, as everyone else has said. Of course, that would mean HHH is jobbing twice in a row, and I can't imagine he'd be thrilled with that, so screw making the champ someone who won't even be around to hype facing Random Face at Armageddon. Assuming that logic prevails and Goldberg is allowed to retain, the next best way to make a match no one would care about is to main event Armageddon with Batista vs Goldberg. Since Meltzer is saying Kane may be feuding with Booker T (though that only seems based on house show line-ups... similarly, Booker T is teaming with Goldberg to face HHH and Orton at my local house show), so it could happen.