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Kurt never advance anything, nor started anything. Beside if you think Kurt is halfway decent guitarist....then you haven't heard good guitarist. He never mentioned his guitar playing abilities, that's irrelevant. I'm pretty sure by talent he meant songwriting skills or something like that. Nirvana was a good band, I liked them. Kurt was a pretty decent songwriter, with some pretty infectious hooks and such. I don't think they were as good as a lot of their predecessors, or any in fact. I'd take the Pixies over Nirvana any day of the week in fact, but that doesn't mean that they sucked. Odds are he killed himself, but who cares really? Stranger things have happened, and either way, he's still dead. Let's move on and talk about bigger problems, like all of the crap that list Nirvana and every other Grunge band as an influence. The birth of Nu-metal is a bigger tragedy.

I'm not clicking on that link, but "In the Air Tonight" is pretty sweet. Elitist snob. The name of the list is "coolest song parts". Say that out loud. I just looked at some of the other stuff, and most of it is actually worse. Phil Collins is the devil.

I was more or less exaggerating because he apparently felt he was "stupid" to do it in the first place yada yada yada, than did a complete 180. Although I do find smoking to be terrible. Bleh, whatever.

And you thought rolling on the mat with another guy was gay...

Obvious question: Why would someone who is trying to quit the terrible, disgusting and repulsive habit of smoking defend the pastime to such lengths?

The following odds are courtesy of SportsBook.com: Emelianenko Fedor -230 Kevin Randleman +180 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira -550 Heath Herring +400 Sergei Kharitonov -115 Semmy Schilt -115 Quinton Jackson -170 Ricardo Arona +140 Odds to win the entire tournament: Emelianenko Fedor +125 Kevin Randleman +500 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira +135 Heath Herring +1700 Giant Silva +2500 Naoya Ogawa +2200 Semmy Schilt +1800 Sergei Kharitonov +1000 I bolded those two because the odds thing is so ridiculously against them, when it should not be, that it would be wise to make a bet on those two fights. I don't expect Heath to win, nor do I expect Sergei to take the whole thing, but I believe that at odds like that it would be foolish to not take somewhat of a chance.

Phil Collins? PHIL FUCKING COLLINS?@! I didn't even bother to look at anything after I saw that one.

Don't know much about the genre, but I always thought that Bad Religion were like one of the "real" punk bands, and they were pioneers for other "true" punk bands today. I guess they were the precursor to Good Charlotte then.

Considering the bands you endorsed, it might as well be dead, too. Eh, not that I've heard much, but from the little that I have the Descendants are inoffensive. Not too shabby really.

What was pop in the early to mid-nineties, Nirvana?

Rendclaw - 5 December 1968 Anyone born before 1970 should automatically be banned. Seriously.

The more I think about it, the more I think he will be the favourite based on the fact that in the semi's Fyodor would get Schilt/Kharitanov and Noguiera would get OGAWA~!

Having to spell-check your posts is even worse than just leaving the spelling errors up.

I thought you were being a smartass with the broadcast comment. Argue with MikeSC? ME?? Never.

Most essential albums are pretty much universally loved, but I'm sure that you have a heard a few that you just don't like, while everyone else seems to praise the shit out of it. Basically, I guess the point of this thread is to point out those albums, and correct the other people who put down something that you loved For me, one album that I've tried to get into after hearing about how amazing it is would be Joy Division - Closer. Man, I don't get this album at all, I can't listen to it, it just strikes me as boring. I don't get all that real pain or whatever that's going on, and the music is just...bleh. I tried to like it, but no, it just wasn't happening. So post something that you feel is undeserving of the credit that it gets, or why Joy Division/other band posted deserves whatever praise it gets.

I thought he wrote that down, and was "stuttering" like that. It's funny how a joke that I made about it, and it was a joke, is twisted into the GIANT LIBERAL CONSPIRACY~! Quick to latch onto anything are we?

Damn. I suck. But the album is still pretty fucking good.

He sure seemed to stutter a lot. Probably couldn't say all that with a straight face.

That wasn't luck. Luck is Ishizawa beating Ryan Gracie. Luck is Victor Belfort beating Randy Couture. Noguiera got Cro Cop down, mounted him, and finished it. That was all Noguiera. Why did Cro Cop "expose himself"? Luck? Or was it Nog mounting him and him not wanting to be there? Hmm, makes it sound like Noguiera "exposed" Cro Cop, eh? Speculation. Fedor had a hard time with Fujita and all three of those guys don't have the takedown defense that Cro Cop has. Granted, I personally think Fedors smart enough to know Cro Cops weaknesses and capitalize on them, but you're missing the point _comepletely_. *Every* fighter, sooner or later, gets tested. That's the evolution of the game. Royce Gracie had his in Kimo, Frank Shamrock had his in Jeremy Horn, Mark Coleman had his in Maurice Smith, Sakuraba had his in Wanderlei Silva. Noguiera -as champion- was tested against Bob Sapp and Fedor. In Sapps case, he took an enormous beating and was able to come through in the end. Against Fedor, it was a different story. Why? Because Fedor studied Noguiera to perfection. The same case will be for Fedor. He will be put up against someone who has his number and he will have an up-hill climb. THAT is what I am talking about; Fedors ability to weather the storm. Against Fujita he did it very well, however, that's Fujita and Fedor was -wait for it- lucky that Fujita wasn't a better fighter than he was because he was in serious trouble and Fujita didn't take advantage of it. You say that Nogs ability to take punishment "isn't everything" but it IS something -and it's something big. I am unsure that I can say the same thing for Fedor. I am not saying Fedor can't, but I am saying that Noguiera can. Where do you get this "Fedor is better in the clinch" from? Have you even seen Fedor in the clinch? Noguiera has a fantastic leg trip and throws some good knees in the clinch. As for takedowns, Fedor has superior balance - but Nog wants to be on the ground anyways so it doesn't really take effect here. They've both swept each other and Noguiera was at a disadvantage at the time. Where did the fight end? (On the ground). And I didn't say "take down", I said "got down" - the difference is, Noguiera may not have took Coleman down, BUT, Noguiera got Coleman down to the ground anyways, and then sub'd him. Good point, but I don't think it is apt. He used his stand up well against Herring and showed a plenty aggression; ditto in his fight against Kopylov - Nog has "unloaded" in the past. I just think that Noguiera doesn't have a lot of knock out power to go along with his technique. But that doesn't mean his stand up is "worse" than Fedors. I'd love for you to expand on this.. As MMA evolves skills will undoubtibly be more important than Power. Because you'll have stand up fighters who can't be taken down - then you're fucked. So fighters have to improve upon all facets and can't just rely upon natural, physical advantage. Randleman/Cro Cop is such a bad example especially because Randleman was KO'd by Chuck Liddell and Quinton Jackson -who were superior strikers, and don't you think that technique wasn't involved in those wins- PLUS, I seriously doubt the same result would happen in a rematch. And lets not forget Cro Cop put down Vovchanchyn -a power striker-. Noguiera has never lost a match because of his beating - Liddell has. Poor analogy, since Liddells losses were beyond his control (towel, ref) and lacked skill on the ground to do anything about it. That's not the case with Noguiera. You can punish Noguiera from anywhere and he'll still be able to bounce back. This is a very important attribute. I'm not saying he *can't*, I am saying I doubt he could do it as well as Noguiera. And those pats on the face couldn't have been "punches" . Granted, Fedor is extremely calm under pressure and that is a great asset to him - but Noguiera isn't? Noguiera was getting pounded on by a guy over 350 pounds, he got hit with a Cro Cop high kick, he got knocked the fuck out by Fedor, and he still maintained position. You can't compare their "resiliency", Noguiera has proven his time and time again. The _fact_ is he lost to TK because of a cut. Fedor is a pretty easy bleeder and this is a knock against him. Talking through my ass eh? Okay, it wasn't luck. It just took him a long time to do it. Cro Cop exposed himself by giving up his arm because he knows nothing about the ground. WOW NOGUIERA SUBBED A ONE-DIMENSIONAL KICKBOXER ON THE GROUND~! Oh wait, he's not one-dimensional, he has a sprawl after all. Your main point seems to be he's come back from a beating. Okay fine, he can. I never said he couldn't, so there's no need to keep pointing it out. Fyodor bleeds easy, why because you saw him fight once where he got knocked by Fujita on the temple? That's a bad example, as we all know that Fyodor was not taking him seriously, and when he did he finished the fight, set up by the liver KICK by the way. He lost one fight to TK by cut, which was there from a previous fight in the night against the man himself RICARDO ARONA~! So it's not fair to say that he's an "easy bleeder". Is Heath Herring an easy bleeder too? He hit Fyodor pretty good at times in that fight, yet he didn't bleed then either. You're assuming that because every other fighter has met their match and come back again means that Nog will do the same to Fyodor and up his game or something. Fyodor will meet someone to test him sure. Nog has, and he lost. I think your example of Sak and Wand is more appropriate in this regard, because I don't see Noguiera beating Fyodor anytime soon, although it is possible. That's all the time I have, I will answer the rest later.

It's funny how people are comparing this stuff to playing a character in a movie. Using words like "professional" and saying he was just playing a "role". Hello, WWE does not have the credibility of Hollywood. It's not comparable. This isn't "art", it's just above porn in that respect. Vince acts like a carnie, I hope he realizes that he will be treated the same way, and professional wrestling will never get the respect it deserves. Ditto about going into NY and mocking 9/11. I wonder who will defend that bit of "acting". Nobody goes into another country, knowingly breaks the law by mocking the extermination of millions and expects nothing but "cheap heat" to happen.

Then shouldn't those who are mocking Rush now, such as Jobber, be considered hypocrites as well? If Rush is a hypocrite for speaking about the sanctity of marriage - and who knows if he has, but let's just assume for argument's sake - and then getting divorced himself, shouldn't those who are mocking him for this because of, presumably, the gay marriage issue, be considered hypocrites because most claim that marriage is something that should be considered private...and yet aren't respecting Rush's privacy on this matter? Who cares one way or the other. This story's fluff anyway. I assume since he made his views on public on the topic, then when his strong views are shown to be bullshit he has no right to complain when he's mocked for it. This IS fluff, but this isn't a "leftist" thing to make fun of someone else' shortcomings, as Mike said. That's just being delusional.

That's not true. It's not really about laughing at his misfortune, it's more about hypocrisy. Similar to how when Michael Moore was found to have given jobs on his website to people in Canada, everyone talked about outsourcing and how he was against it, etc. This is worse though, because one particular issue isn't as bad as talking about life values and morals and marriage and all that other garbage. When you're getting your third divorce after preaching about crap like that, you better expect to be mocked at the very least. Truth be told, I don't know if Rush actually has been preaching about the sanctity of marriage his whole career, which is why I won't say anything. I'm just offering up an explanation.

I'm surprised no one has commented on the fact that he knows the movie will be discredited already, so he's assigned a "war room" to combat all criticism about it.

Give it time, give it time. And whereas every music fan in the world knows the name "Axl Rose", I highly doubt even 60% of em know who the hell 311 is. That's not an apt comparison. I'm sure many more people know who Britney Spears is than either of the two. 311 still sucks though. How could a guy not be a big fan and have all their albums?

The only guys I know that listen to freestyle/dance/house music and love American Muscle cars, are guys that wear tight pants, ribbed turtleneck sweaters, and go "AYYY" like the Fonz a lot. Kotz looks like Elvis Costello. This doesn't compute.