rising up out of the back seat-nuh

I don't really agree with this post. Even if these guys see their peers being misused I still think they would go to the WWE. It is really the only wrestling company in the states that will give them a stable living and garunteed money really. And most people I know are going to work for the people who offer them job security and money. Let's take 2 reverse cases about top indy talent vs. WWE contracts 1. Raven makes twice as much since leaving the job security in WWE working only 3 shows a week since he is a big name. 2. AJ Styles had to turn down a WWE developmental deal last year because they offered him all the security of a 500 dollar a week pay check that he blows away working indys. Job security, yes...but indy guys at the level WWE would be taking from (Styles, Daniels, Low Ki) make more than WWE will offer them. I guarantee someone as in demand as London took a pay cut to work more days. That's what I was thinking. Which is why it surprises me that London, who is young and has the potential to be TNA champion in a few years (if it's still around), would join WWE now, at a time when he is unknown outside smark circles and would have to take a pay cut. AJ Styles turned it down when he was in Londons position, and I'm sure he's pretty damn glad about it now.

Please The report on Niger was dubious, they got found out. IIRC, it was the British report that was openly questioned first then, following from that, the Bush one. Which ever way you look at it, if the reports were fabricated, the guy deserves to get a grilling, no matter what party he's from. Some things are more important than petty party squabbling.

Damn, I wish he'd wrestle in his gimp mask.

This could be vital for WWE. This is the first of the new-wave of indy talent they've signed up, and if they bury him, then guys like AJ, Low Ki, Am Drag and Daniels won't go there in a million years. If, however, they do well with him, then that could allow WE to sign up a load of good workers.

"The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. Its evil effects must be plain enough to everyone. All it accomplishes is (a) to throw a veil of sanctity about ideas that violate every intellectual decency, and (b) to make every theologian a sort of chartered libertine. No doubt it is mainly to blame for the appalling slowness with which really sound notions make their way in the world. The minute a new one is launched, in whatever fields, some imbecile of a theologian is certain to fall upon it, seeking to put it down. The most effective way to defend it, of course, would be to fall upon the theologian, for the only really workable defense, in polemics as in war, is a vigorous offensive. But convention frowns upon that device as indecent, and so theologians continue their assault upon sense without much resistance, and the enlightenment is unpleasantly delayed. There is, in fact, nothing about religious opinions that entitles them to any more respect than other opinions get. On the contrary, they tend to be noticeably silly. If you doubt it, then ask any pious fellow of your acquaintance to put what he believes into the form of an affidavit, and see how it reads. "I, John Doe, being duly sworn, do say that I believe that, at death, I shall turn into a vertebrate without substance, having neither weight, extent nor mass, but with all the intellectual powers and bodily sensations of an ordinary mammal; ...and that, for the high crime and misdemeanor of having kissed my sister-in-law behind the door, with evil intent, I shall be boiled in molten sulphur for one billion calendar years." Or, "I, Mary Roe, having the fear of Hell before me, do solemnly affirm and declare that I believe it was right, just, lawful and decent for the Lord God Jehovah, seeing certain little children of Beth-el laugh at Elisha's bald head, to send a she-bear from the wood, and to instruct, incite, induce and command it to tear forty-two of them to pieces." Or, "I, the Right Rev. _____ _____, Bishop of _____, D.D., LL.D., do honestly, faithfully and on my honor as a man and a priest, declare that I believe that Jonah swallowed the whale," or vice versa, as the case may be. No, there is nothing notably dignified about religious ideas. They run, rather, to a peculiarly puerile and tedious kind of nonsense. At their best, they are borrowed from metaphysicians, which is to say, from men who devote their lives to proving that twice two is not always or necessarily four. At their worst, they smell of spiritualism and fortune-telling. Nor is there any visible virtue in the men who merchant them professionally. Few theologians know anything that is worth knowing, even about theology, and not many of them are honest. One may forgive a Communist or a Single Taxer on the ground that there is something the matter with his ductless glands, and that a Winter in the south of France would relieve him. But the average theologian is a hearty, red-faced, well-fed fellow with no discernible excuse in pathology. He disseminates his blather, not innocently, like a philosopher, but maliciously, like a politician. In a well-organized world he would be on the stone-pile. But in the world as it exists we are asked to listen to him, not only politely, but even reverently, and with our mouths open." - HL Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy 12/09/1929 If you are to deny someone the right to express their religious views, then you must in turn be prepared to pass the same judgement upon those who oppose them. If an atheist came onto this board, and said "there is no God: fact" would you flame them? The quote you just made appears to say "Christians are dumb, therefore anything they say deserves to be ridiculed" whilst taking a superior attitude towards Christians as an atheist. Surely, if HL Mencken posted those views on this board, he would be just as in the wrong as SP. A lot of thisappears to be based upon the fact that you disagree with SP's point of view. To call him up on it, and not the dozens of people on this board who are atheists (such as myself) reeks of persecution. Also, what's with the quote? If they are your views, express them in your own words, not hiding behind those written by someone with as much credibility as you in 1929. That just comes across as you deflecting the blame onto someone else.

Damn, I'd love to se him run for president.

Jubuki made a tasteless 9/11 remark as part of a flame. Marney used 9/11 as part of a valid point.

The fact is, 9/11 wasn't purely religous, it was also anti-American

curse you double post

I just heard the new Pink song, and thought of this thread...

"Bottom live" rules all.

Good man! The 80's Matchbox B-Line Disaster: Horse Of The Dog That worth getting? They've held my interest a bit more than all the other retro styley bands (except the darkness, who rule) and whilst I opted for the polyphonic spree instead of them at Glastonbury I hear they arrived in their car. I like their car. It's ok, but I wouldn't go out of my way to reccomend it yet. A bit samey, but good. Last year at Reading Festival, Ikara Colt got the crowd to invade the stage and go backstage with them. Their rider got finished off pretty quick, so a bunch of us tried to get into the Foo Fighters backstage area. On the way, we met two members of 80's MB-LD, who were great people, and more importantly found their car. Trust me, it is the coolest car in the world!

I hope they don't. Bands who re-form invariably suck.

New Direction: S Club Juniors

damn, "blob and snailfish" would be a great kids show...

that is all

Much worse crimes have been commited in the name of Christianity than 9/11. However, this does not mean that SP is the type of person who would commit these crimes. Granted, if you believe everything in the bible, you are almost obliged to crusade for it, but, as it is, I doubt very much as though SP would do that. Whether that makes him a good Christian or a bad Christian is open for debate. The difference with 9/11 is that is was a religious attack so much as a nationalistic one. There are 100's of Christian nations in the world, but only America was significantly targeted by these terrorists. Fundamentalism may have been the excuse, but it wasn't the reason.

There were a lot of reports in the NME last year that Australian fans turned on The Vines for getting big without paying their dues.

pop>nu metal that is all

Is that the new edition of The Gunslinger, with the new stuff in it?

Remember kids, there's still time to enter the WWE contract termination game! The link's in the sig! [/cheap.plug.mode}

Blair's getting a slight roasting for this as well over here.

Stupid bitch. I do feel kinda sorry for her, but you know she'll be with annother dick who slaps her around within the year.

Wouldn't the end wake you up? Also, Kid A.

I will forgive you, because he's not. Don't believe everything the BBC tells you. Hey, I'll believe my propoganda, you believe yours I'm just saying that because all the publicity about Bush reported over here, through all media outlets, have been dismissive of Bush's work. So, what good has he done for the nation?