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I don't think the time has ever been better for a third party in recent history, but I just don't see a real viable one rising up, barring a split in the Republican Party, or something along those lines.

So again, how and when will the president be punished for all of this? It really makes me angry to think that Bush is just going to get to walk off to his ranch after his term ends, and probably never face any real consequences, only to blame the next president when we inevitably leave the Iraq quagmire.

Yeah, I think you're right on that part. I wonder if we might eventually see some kind of Christian Nationalist party try to rise up and sway religious conservatives, pointing to the failings of the Republican Party in regards to things like that.

Exactly. Bush and his administration need to be punished for this debacle, but Congress is too spineless to do anything.

What is really hilarious is that the government, or the companies they've hired, are actually paying protection money to insurgent groups...and since these groups are supposedly linked to Al-Qaeda, we're now basically paying Al-Qaeda (at least if we follow the president's view). Doesn't anyone see how messed up this is? Why aren't the Democrats calling Bush to task for more stuff like this? When is enough, enough, and when are people actually supposed to be held accountable, either way?

Don't do it. There's plenty of other ways to be involved in stuff and make friends than pay dues to a frat, and walk around campus looking like the stereotypical frat douchebag in your Greek letter shirt. Yeah, the parties are supposed to be fun, if you like hanging out with the same people you're basically living with anyway...and who knows, maybe you can be involved in the next alcohol related frat death, or have someone fall off the frathouse roof pulling a prank and fall into a coma (yes, that actually happened at the school I went to).

After reading that, I actually want to go to Tropicana Field to enjoy the free parking and leather chairs behind home plate.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous, but Vick is the one who played into the stereotype of the low-brow gangsta thug black athlete. No one was trying to put him in that mold, he did it himself.

Well, maybe what we should have simply done was remove Saddam, and then leave, or leave a remote force to oversee things, but not get involved in the whole "nation building" non-sense.

I think what snuffbox might have been getting as was the fact that the GOP claims to be the party of conservative Christian values, but has seemed to fail pretty badly at walking the walk recently, with several scandals like this.

"Yes, but that's because Bill Clinton would have been too busy with Monica Lewinsky to properly conduct a war."/GOP commentator mode off/

Great, then Sid can do his angle where he wins the WWE Championship and has a lengthy reign before dropping the belt.

Yeah, but a lot of it is more than just Haliburton. It's basically a whole industry of war profiteering. Actually, it's not really profiteering, it's outright theft.

Well, I have to say, I'm surprised. Nice to see Jeff Hardy back on TV.

Can't wait to see how the right wing pundits try to spin this one. "The Democrats should be ashamed of driving this honest and decent man out of office!"

Glad I didn't order this one...I was thinking about it because I wanted to see Orton win the belt, and obviously that didn't happen. What is with WWE rarely doing title changes on PPVs now?

BTW, even though I think it's a total liberal rag, the latest Rolling Stone has a very compelling article about all the corruption that's gone on with companies getting contracts to "rebuild" Iraq and service the US troops. It's written by Matt Taibbi, whose writing I absolutely hate, but it's still a good article. It really leaves the question of how much more of this garbage we're going to take, and how and if the administration should ultimately be punished for allowing and even encouraging all of the corruption to go on.

I saw this last night and thought it was pretty funny. I think I would've found it funnier if not for all the preview scenes that gave away a lot of the funny moments in the movie. It's going to get kind of old hearing all the McLovin references, though...I was at a mall yesterday and there were already McLovin shirts for sale in a bunch of the stores. Surprised to hear anyone being bothered by the sleepover scene. I thought it was amusing.

I mainly meant Cheney and Rumsfeld. You could kind of lump Colin Powell in there as well (since he went before the UN and provided evidence that Saddam was building WMDs).

Were you actually serious when you typed this? Give me a break. Yes, Saddam was a crappy, evil dictator. However, he kept Iran and Al-Qaeda in check, as much as the Bush administration would like us to believe otherwise. Funny how Iran is (openly) building a nuclear arsenal and getting cocky only now that Saddam is gone, isn't it? I mainly think that, no, it isn't worth it to try and help people in shitty countries. Maybe if they're in our own backyard and it's practical, but mainly, it just doesn't work. I'm sick of seeing us try to help countries, and then they turn around and end up hating us. I think people mainly need to decide as a nation if they want to pull themselves up. Very few countries that have been created by a foreign power end up lasting as a free democracy. Look at the US...we're free because our forefathers wanted to be free, not because France or Spain said "Oh no, these people are oppressed by King George, we need to liberate them!" Oh, it's also funny how back when we were in the Gulf the first time, the same people in charge now thought removing Saddam back then was a bad idea...you know, back when we had international support and it might have been somewhat achievable to stabilize Iraq.

No, but his people weren't in a civil war, and terrorists weren't coming into Iraq, since you know, Saddam actually hated Al-Qaeda and didn't trust Osama bin Laden. The Kurds were oppressed and had been terrorized, but it's not like Turkey is letting the Turks in their country separate, and they're one of our biggest allies in the region.

I always hated when a babyface would have their opponent almost beat, and then when the heel manager/authority figure/whatever would get in the ring, the face locks that person in their finishing hold, and of course ends up getting waffled with a chair or eating their opponent's finisher. Chris Jericho did this multiple times in WWF/WWE, and it made him look like a total idiot. "Yeah, I'm about to win the title...wait! There's Stephanie McMahon! I'm going to lock her into the Walls of Jericho while turning my back to the opponent!"

The only reason we're still there is so Bush can pass the buck to the next president, and blame them for the eventual pullout and following humanitarian disaster.

Exactly. Let the UN deal with it if they want to at this point. Any sort of tangible victory is going to be years away at this point, and the US can't really afford that, and doesn't need it, frankly. Let our troops come back to the US and protect us here, if needed.

It is true that the administration is basically playing toy soldiers with our troops. They're staying for multiple tours way too long and often. No thought is being given to the psychological trauma being inflicted.