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    Review of Flair's book

    ”I had a thousand reasons for never punching out Eric Bischoff in WCW. He was an executive. I had dragged my family through one lawsuit, and didn’t want to get caught up in another – particularly one I would lose. But, when I was alone, I’d think, Why didn’t you just beat the sh-t out of him? And I blamed myself for never doing it.” - Ric Flair on Eric Bischoff, To Be The Man Ric Flair is among the most beloved performers to ever step inside a professional wrestling ring and with good reason. He has given fans more stellar matches, more memorable interviews, and more nostalgic moments than any one performer in the history of the business. Now, with his new autobiography "To Be The Man". Ric Flair’s legacy will be remembered at an even greater level, as now, it’s in print for all the world to read, and nothing is held back. The book follows Flair’s life as it begins as the adopted son of a Minnesota couple, then follows him through his trials and tribulations he rises to the top of the professional wrestling industry. From breaking into the AWA under Verne Gagne to Mid-Atlantic Wrestling to Japan to Puerto Rico to becoming the NWA World champion to meltdowns with WCW to his runs in the WWF/WWE. There is no review that could ever properly convey the greatness of this book. It’s like the greatness that is Ric Flair the performer. You either understand why he’s great or you’ll never get it at all. Flair explains the differences between being good and being a great performer. He discusses who was great, who could be, and who would have been if not for mitigating circumstances. He explains why someone like Kurt Angle could be great, while someone like Bruno Sammartino in his opinion, wasn’t. It’s fascinating reading from someone 99% of fans believe to be the best of all time. Flair also delves into his private life, discussing his failed first marriage, which he blames on caring more about being the Ric Flair character than dealing with issues at home. He goes into his deep love for his children and his pride for a WCW segment featuring he, David, and Reid at the same time in the ring. He writes about meeting and pursuing his second wife, Beth. He notes that when he made $5000, he spent $6000 and sometimes ran into trouble with the government over taxes. He writes about how much he loved his parents, and how much he misses them, but also notes that they never understood what a big deal it was to Flair to be a star in the business. Mick Foley, move over. Your status as the best wrestling author has been challenged. Flair is honest beyond the point of political correctness as only someone of his stature could be. If anyone else had attempted to write this book, they’d likely end up the most hated person behind the scenes of the business. Instead, Flair will become more beloved as for once in his career, he asserted how he really feels about not just himself (Flair is quick to point out his own faults and errors) but all of the major and minor names he has dealt with during his run in the business. “Bret never regained the fame he’d had in the World Wrestling Federation. Part of it had to do with terrible booking, the other part with Bret’s own deficiencies. What unnerved me the most was the way he used his brother’s death. Through his column in the Calgary Sun, Bret relentlessly bashed Vince McMahon. I sympathize with the emotion – and even the anger – he felt over losing a brother, but I lost respect for him when he made the case into a public spectacle. Why didn’t he take the matter up privately with Vince? It seemed to me that Bret cared more about getting “screwed” in Montreal than he did about Owen’s death, and he used his brother’s death to grind his ax with Vince” - Flair on Bret Hart Flair pays tribute to many of those he worked with early in his career. He tells crazy stories of working in the Caribbean as NWA champion with Roddy Piper as his backup. He discusses the toughness of Harley Race, including how Race watched his back on Japanese tours. He credits Terry Funk and Wahoo McDaniel for his trademark chops, and goes into loving detail about working with McDaniel. He tells an outrageous story about a night on the town with Funk that left Terry naked in Flair’s front yard and Flair vomiting on his kitchen floor. This is just the tip of the iceberg as Flair discusses partying with Stan Hansen, The Horsemen, and so many others. You can see Flair misses the old way the business used to run and misses many of his old friends. He writes about his regrets of missing funerals for those who have passed on. ”Jim Herd was an idiot. This is not defamation. I’m just telling you history. The man had no right to be anywhere near a wrestling company.” - Flair on former WCW executive Jim Herd, the man who fired him in 1991. Flair discusses the rigors of the road including a breakdown that sent him fleeing from Japan back to the United States, where he was met by promoter Jim Crockett and taken right back to Japan. He details the plane crash that nearly ended his career and his determination to return to the business. He discusses suggesting Dusty Rhodes as Crockett’s booker after George Scott departs, only to see Rhodes’ ego shoot into the stratosphere and the company collapse. Flair discusses, almost in amazement, the poor management of WCW from day one by Turner Executives. He recounts his feuds with Ricky Steamboat. He remembers his battles with Jim Herd and how he was fired and sent Vince McMahon the gold NWA World championship belt the next day. ”This isn’t kind to say, but fans didn’t care about Randy as much once Elizabeth was no longer part of the package. The company tried reversing this; they gave Randy the “Macho Midget,” and made Randy a color commentator like Bobby Heenan and Jesse “The Body” Ventura. But the departure of Elizabeth had taken away some of his edge as a performer. It’s another reason why I don’t consider Savage great; he just couldn’t carry it on his own.” - Flair on Randy Savage, who he wrestled at Wrestlemania VIII Flair praises his first run in the WWF, although he rightfully feels his matches with Hulk Hogan should have been the biggest thing ever, but were barely a blip on the business’ Richter scale due to Hogan’s issues with Vince McMahon at the time. He discusses his return to the company, the various incarnations of the Four Horsemen, Eric Bischoff’s rise in power and more. Flair also goes deeply into his personal agony as WCW tried to destroy his legacy, despite how much he meant to the lineage and tradition of the company. He places the blame without hesitation on Eric Bischoff being awestruck and maneuvered by the likes of Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage, among others. Flair refuses to forgive Bischoff (and Hogan) even today, especially after he reveals that many of the acquisitions that helped set WCW onto the path of dominance over the WWF (Bobby Heenan, Gene Okerlund, Hogan, Savage) were ones that Flair himself suggested. Like Dusty Rhodes before him, Bischoff ignored Flair after Flair had tried to do nothing more than help the company succeed. Despite his desire to help the company and initial approval of Bischoff as the head of WCW, Flair found himself on the outs and the target of a jealous group of performers who sought to keep him out of the spotlight, all for ego. They were already making more then Flair, but they couldn’t stop the crowd from loving him. One can actually feel Flair’s pain as he became the designated fall guy for WCW again and again in an attempt to placate Hogan’s ego and do the best thing for business, despite the business doing nothing in exchange for him. At the same time, according to Flair, Hogan was more obsessed by insider wrestling newsletters then anything else. Flair admits he was just trying to survive by then. ”In 1999, four months after being released from WCW, The Renegade shot himself to death in his kitchen in Marietta, Georgia. The guy obviously had other problems, so I’d never blame Hogan for the suicide. But I do blame both Hogan and Bischoff for inflating the kid’s ego and giving him the impression that he was capable of being a star.” - Flair on the late Renegade Rick Wilson, who held the WCW Television championship. You can hear the outrage as Flair’s best friend Arn Anderson is disrespected by management and later the disgust in the NWO sketch that mocked Arn’s retirement. Flair also reveals for the first time the person who came up with the sketch, and shockingly, it wasn't Kevin Nash or Hulk Hogan, but Flair's friend Terry Taylor. Flair tells a hysterical story about Brutus Beefcake trying to explain why he shouldn’t be having a competitive house show match with Eddie Guerrero at the same time Flair was feuding with Hogan. He discusses his lawsuit with WCW over missing a date to attend his son Reid’s amateur wrestling competition and Bischoff burying him to the WCW wrestlers, boasting he would ruin Flair’s life. ”David didn’t say a word. He took it like a man. You had Curt Hennig and Barry Windham, two of the best performers during their primes, and they bounced around for every one of David’s moves. My son couldn’t do anything, and they made him look like a star. And then there was Hogan – with all his experience, and all his celebrity – trying to be cute. He whipped David like a dog. It was sickening, and I’ll never forgive him for it." - Flair on Hulk Hogan taking liberties on David Flair during a Nitro angle, whipping him 15-20 times instead of the discussed 3-4 lashes with a belt. Despite his best efforts, the problems continued and little by little; piece by piece, political woes and injuries ate away at Flair. Flair discusses needing to see a sports psychologist and his own loss of faith in himself. While fans have always seen him as the jetflying, limo riding son of a gun of their youth, Flair himself had lost all belief in his talent by then. It was so bad that by the time he returned to WWE in late 2001, his feelings remained. Flair writes about how he needed to be constantly reminded by the McMahon family (who he obviously loves based on their portrayal in the book) that he was one of the greatest performers in the sport and not someone who time had passed by. One also understands the feeling of relief that went through Flair when WCW finally collapsed, although he admits that if he knew how cheaply Vince McMahon got it for, he would have made a play for the tape library himself. Flair admits that he only wrestled on the last Nitro as a favor to McMahon, who wanted to close the Nitro circle the way it began, with Flair vs. Sting. ”There’s a difference between being a great performer and being a guy – like Brutus Beefcake or the Ultimate Warrior – who became famous because he happened to be working for Vince. It’s the same with Foley. When he hasn’t been working for Vince, there has been no demand for him whatsoever. He’s just another guy.” -Flair on Mick Foley Despite his dislike of Foley (and he has lots more on that subject), Flair’s biggest issue remains with Bischoff and Hogan for their abuse of him in WCW. One can tell of Flair’s disgust when he was hired by WWE, although Flair notes that Bischoff is on the same level as Flair now. Flair writes about trying to force Bischoff to fight him backstage at a Raw and when being reprimanded by Vince McMahon, being asked who else he wanted to do that to. Flair’s answer was Hogan. Flair even admits that of everyone he met in the business, Bischoff was the worst, noting that at least Vince Russo did his best to insure Flair received money owed to him by WCW. The book finishes with the impromptu Greenville, South Carolina Ric Flair pep rally that WWE held for Flair after his match with Triple H on Raw. Flair notes that the wrestlers coming out, organized by Tommy Dreamer, was the moment he felt like “The Nature Boy” again. He credits Triple H for that match and for helping him when he returned to WWE. For all the talk of political abuse of power and other Internet complaints about Triple H, if he truly did help Flair find himself, every fan of this business owes him a thank you. ”To Be The Man” features a humble introduction by Triple H. It lists Mark Madden as editor and was co-written by Keith Elliot Greenberg, who authored Freddie Blassie’s biography. With this tremendous book, Greenberg himself takes another step towards his own place in wrestling history, as one of the most important historical writers on the business. He should be proud of this body of work, as should Flair. Madden as well, should be praised for his work on the book. The book is sprinkled with awesome photos taken at different points of Flair’s career. The book is written from Flair’s point of view, but also features comments from many who impacted his career and life including all of his children, his wife Beth, Ricky Steamboat, David Crockett, Harley Race, Jim Cornette, Earl Hebner, Triple H, Ken Patera, Bobby Heenan, and so many others. While I would have loved a few comments from Sting, this book is as perfect as any ever written about the business. This book will remind everyone once and for all that, “Diamonds are forever, and so is Ric Flair.” If you are any kind of fan of this business, you need to read this book. If you are a fan who has given up on the business, this book will remind you of what you loved. If you are someone breaking into this business, this book will teach you the very important lesson of knowing when to give in and how hard work will always endear you to the most important people in the business – the fans. No matter who you are, if you are reading this, you want to read this book, as soon as you can. Link You Bret Hart fan boys going to jump on Flair's shit now for what he said? I don't agree with what he said about Foley of course. People loved to see him in ECW, WCW, and Japan, he was not a nobody, or "just another guy" to the fans in any of those places.
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    Jessica Simpson a genius

    She's just playing a character.
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    Bands that could have been bigger than they were

    I hate that song with a passion.
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    Bands that could have been bigger than they were

    C'mon, Axl had his own unique niche. If he didn't, he wouldn't be as remembered as he is. Much more then Patton or Faith No More is. I'll go with Candlebox. "Far Behind" and "You" were both great singles.
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    Best Rocky Movie Song

    Definitely "There's No Easy Way Out". "Burning Heart" sucks a dick.
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    I'm not a Geek

    Does that mean quoting you in a post makes me cool? Then I am doubly cool.
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    GNR Behind the Music

    I don't think he has ever won in court ever. ZAKK WYLDE: Axl called me up and said, "Hey, you want to get together and do some jamming?" I'd say "Dude, did you come up with any lyrics yet?" And he's just like, "Dude, I got people suing me right now." He's on the phone with his lawyers 24-7. He was, like, "I can't come up with any lyrics right now-they'd be about every other lawsuit I got going."----from 1997
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    The UNRATED version...

    The unrated version of "True Romance" had a hell of a lot more violence, especially in the Arquette/Gandolfini scene.
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    The last great world title match

    Shhhhhh, Flair would think you were an idiot. Not even Michaels could carry that stuntman.
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    Jim Morrison

    The first half and the last verse were a song for an ex girlfriend. The rest was Oedipus and Greek myth related, aka "Blue Bus".
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    Jim Morrison

    Listen to it on Acid? He made the "Oedipus" Greek myth into a song?
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    GNR Behind the Music

    To sum up, a GNR "Behind The Music" is useless without Axl or Izzy.
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    Jim Morrison

    I'm not at all. I do like "Heroin", but I am extremely defensive when i comes to Morrison. My fault.........
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    Jim Morrison

    Velvet Underground was just acid rock, and not very good acid rock at that. The Doors did acid rock, hard rock, pop, blues, jazz, and blended in and out of all that genres flawlessly. And, "Heroin" might be better then "LA Woman" if you are actuall yon heroin.
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    Jim Morrison

    I actually hate his earlier pretty boy image, and liked him and his music way better in his later years. The beard was so much cooler, as was their bluesier style.
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    GNR Behind the Music

    "AntiMsuic reports: We now have a new release date announcement for the long awaited album “Chinese Democracy” from the Axl Rose fronted Guns N’ Roses. The Guns N’ Roses Behind The Music special which aired this weekend on VH1 stated that the album was set for a November 2004 release. The decade in the making album has been delayed numerous times for various reasons including personnel changes and Axl stepping in as a co-producer. This will be the first new studio album for the group since 1993’s “The Spaghetti Incident?”, a collection of cover songs, however fans have caught a preview of some of the material during live performances and the release of the song “Oh My God”, which appeared on the soundtrack to “End Of Days” in 1999. An official announcement from Guns N’ Roses or their record label, Geffen, has not yet been made. And most fans will most likely take a wait and see if it happens stance towards the “Behind The Music” announcement." Link
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    Jim Morrison

    Not to mention the fact that "LA Woman" is one of the greatest songs of all time.
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    GNR Behind the Music

    I think Izzy's best GNR tunes were "Patience" and "14 Years", but I was always an Axl fan even from the early days. Just the fact that he is behind the pen guanrantees that "Chinese Democracy" or whatever the hell it is called by the time it comes out, will be better then Velvelt Revolver's "Contraband". Although I have found myself singing along to "Slither"..........
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    Mikey Whipwreck: Heel

    Wasn't Mikey in that horrendous Junkyard Hardcore Match?
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    Jim Morrison

    I'm eventually going to get a tat of him on my arm, one of the lesser known pictures where he has the beard and is hanging on the microphone.
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    Jim Morrison

    One of my biggest influences on my life and on my writing. Always manage to celebrate the 3rd somehow. This year, I was supposed to fuck a married girl, but instead, managed to party my ass off anyways with a bottle of Bushmills and a case of Dos Equis while watching the Doors movie, then their various home videos. Good stuff.
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    GNR Behind the Music

    From an interview with Queen guitarist Brian May...... MAH: Speaking of good singers, we've heard a lot of rumours about the fact that you've been doing some recording with Axl Rose. And, in fact, many of the listeners, people including Louise in Inverness, Charlie Dixon, Ravi and Seth Lubin have sent e-mails in saying you must ask Brian what's he been doing with Axl. What's the score? BM: Okay, well, I have a lot of history with those guys, as you know, because, well, I was on tour with them for a while. My own band supported them, which was great fun. They also did the Freddie tribute with us and I think I regard them as great friends, Axl in particular. And they just said come over and do some stuff. It's a long story, to be honest, and I won't bore you with all the details. But Axl was feeling he that was in a difficult place because the guitarist he'd been working with on this new album had, sort of, replaced Slash, because they fell out, sadly. I think that is sad actually because they're both brilliant talents and great with each other. But the guitarist that'd done most of the tracks had departed and Axl had a real emotional attachment to what he'd done, and yet he didn't want him on the album, I hope I'm not saying too much here, he didn't really want him to stay on the album because he'd disappeared, you know. So, he's sort of feeling a kind of divided loyalty and he said, 'Brian can you come and do stuff which I will like and I won't feel too bad about ditching this other stuff?'. So I did. I went over there and I think I played on three tracks and messed around on various other things. But it worked out pretty well, as far as I can tell. And it's very strange 'cause most of the Guns N' Roses people are not there 'cause Axl's sacked 'em all. So you're talking about Axl and the 'new' Guns N' Roses but, boy, is there a lot of energy there and his singing is outrageous. There's some great tracks on it. MAH: Now this is really interesting because there has been so much speculation about this new album, 'Chinese Democracy' (potentially it's called) and there are many, many people who've spoken to journalists, who've played with Axl over a number of years now, who have laid claims recently that the only one track that Axl has ever laid down a vocal part for is 'Oh My God' but you're saying that there are more vocal parts then? BM: Oh yeah, there's a whole album of vocal parts. In fact, there's two albums worth that they've got there, at least. They played me everything. Axl actually sat down and made me listen to everything (laughs) and there's some wonderful stuff there. MAH: How do you deal with somebody like Axl though, when he sits you down and says listen to all of this? I mean can you really critique him and sit there and say, 'D'ya know what Axl, that's rubbish mate, you wanna bin that one'? BM: Well, Axl sort of holds Queen and our whole thing in a great deal of respect, so I always figure as long as I tell my truth, he's fine, and it's always held out so far. He's always been very good to me. He will tell you if he doesn't agree with what you say, you know, I mean I went in and immediately Brian May opens his mouth and blab, blab, blab and I told him exactly what I thought of the stuff as it was, and some of it he went "yeah", and some of it he went "I couldn't do that". You know, like some of the suggestions and that's it, and Axl's a very emotionallly, kind of, connected person, I mean to the point where he's so intense about every single note that's on there and the solos that I played, he was totally into it, very much in the way that Freddie used to be. You know, Freddie used to go through my solos and say, you know there's this particular note here and, I think, if you did this and this and this. I thought I would go in there, you know, I'd forgotten what Axl is like and I thought I would just go in there and he'd like it. He did like it but he wanted to get into every single take of every single note and, you know, from one day to another Axl would've been in there like from 5 o'clock in the morning 'till 7 o'clock in the morning comping little bits of my solos and saying, 'can you get Brian to try this'. You know, he's utterly meticulous. MAH: That's amazing. So, what's your position, you've just played this amazing solo, as far as you're concerned, and Axl comes along and says, 'you know what, I really don't like that B flat, or whatever it is, can you just change that?' Do you say.. BM: Oh I'm fine, I don't care because I'm there to deliver, you know, and in this context I'm a session player and people can take what they want, it doesn't bother me. I'll give my best and if someone will make a comment, generally it will be… You know, if someone makes a comment to you about your playing, and it's someone who cares, then it's probably going to do you some good, whether you like it or not. So, I'm always open to that stuff, always. There's always room for improvements. MAH: Interesting. The other big question on the lips of our listeners this evening, "Would you ever consider touring with Axl, if he asked you to join the band?" BM: I don't know if I would be up for those long tours anymore, you know, I did that for twenty years of my life, nine months of the year, and I'm not in that position anymore in my life. You know, I don't feel like I want to have that chaotic lack of balance in my life anymore. I dealt with it, and I loved it, but I'm just not in that place anymore. I don't think I could do that. If it was a short tour, it's possible. MAH: Even if he promised never to ruin one of your solos again? (laughs) BM: I'll tell you, Axl is a very persuasive guy. He's magic really, he is, you know, and I think he's not always easy, as genius very often isn't, you know, Fred was not the easiest person in the world to get on with, but someone who has that amount of passion and gives a million percent of themselves, you'll take any amount of stuff from, and I would from Axl, I think he's that good.
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    GNR Behind the Music

    "Apparently management has denied that any planned release date exist for Chinese Democracy....." Link "The Behind The Music: Guns N' Roses premiered on VH1 and according to the documentary, Chinese Democracy is now slated for a November 2005 release." Link I know for a fact they said November 2004 on BTM.
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    Mikey Whipwreck: Heel

    With the right writing anyone can get over. For someone similar to Mikey's size, Spike Dudley was pretty over at the beginning of his run in WWE.
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    GNR Behind the Music

    Maybe in dealing with his record label, VH1 got a little inside info.
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