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Ok bud. Keep on spewing the talking points. I assume the fans at Vengeance chanting for Orton were the same smarts that go to ROH. It was a circle jerk! Keep on watching basic free tv wrestling, and keep telling yourself you're not missing anything. Can you make the same garauntee for all WWE fans? No, you can't. I've BEEN at WWE shows where idiots try to start stupid chants. There are idiots in every crowd. If you're going to an indy show with 600-800 people, there are bound to be some people that do that.

Seems to me you have no clue what you're talking about. Having gone to socal Indy shows, WWE shows, etc all the time, I've never been in a crowd more focused on what's going on in the ring than an ROH crowd. Care to go to a show and see for yourself or continue to talk out of your ass?

He has multiple finishers, I just doubt TNA wants him using them. The straight Jacket Northern Lights Bomb would get over, but I bet he's not allowed to use it. The Border City Stretch is way too similar to the Crossface, and the Shellshock is similar to Kazarian's finish. They should let him use the Border City Stretch. Credibility of finishers though isn't always that important. The 2 biggest draws of the last 10 years had a simple sitting ace crusher and a weak uranage. Kurt Angle has a version of the samoan drop, Brock Lesnar had a pancake move.

Really, shut the fuck up. I was at this show, and Joe was TREMENDOUS in this. He was in control of most of the match, did an incredible dive, and was tremendous in cutting off comebacks. He was strongly involved in what was the match of the night. People like you are the reason us socal fans don't deserve shows like that often...no respect.

I really wish I had saved posts I made on them on old boards. I would have to do full reviews of some of their matches again to explain, and I can't put myself through the pain of the 2/3 falls match again. So much of the work in their matches is meaningless, which is the biggest problem. It happened again recently in their "One More Time" match that I picked up. The matches go long for the sake of being long, rather than being good. The selling in a lot of the matches is really off too, where they sell like nuts while being worked on, but when it is their turn to work the body part the pain goes away except when it is convenient for a transition. The most recent match was probably their best in terms of execution of moves, and more things meaning something, but still it was a 40 minute match stretched out to 56. Hero's endless armbars in the first half that were building to what, anyway? The live report said it was to block the pepsi plunge, but that sure wasn't what they were working in the match. They were apparently building to the arm trap hangman's clutch, which isn't even an arm submission as far as I know. When Punk took over on offense and went to the neck, the armwork from earlier became irrelevent until a later transition made it convenient to remember.

That's sort of a silly comment. I've seen a lot of great matches from Punk while "Mr. Sports entertainment" that destroy his disasters with Hero during that period, and the vast majority of his IWA work. He's come really far in terms of match pacing, selling, and smart work. You rarely see those old "innovative" moves out of him anymore because he doesn't need them.

I'm trying to remember the date...the best Dragon-Ki for me was ECWA 7/01 with Ricky Steamboat as the ref.

I thought it was a fine show, but not a good show. Chris Daniels isn't close to 100%, that's for sure. He didn't look like himself at all in there, and I'm worried about him rushing back like this. The Naturals are really green, but I think they could be good. The team of Abyss and Shelley is neat, but Baby Bear? Cmon. I think it's somewhat of a waste of Shelley to be teaming with Abyss, hopefully he'll get to wrestle with some smaller guys. The whole 3 live Krew-Jarrett thing is horrible. The main event was fun, but the purist in me rolled my eyes at 3 things: 1) The ridiculous sleeper move AJ does 2) The 450 kneedrop 3) The canadian destroyer.

Do Dragon vs. Ki. It's probably my second favorite of their series, a very fun match, but in my opinion a very flawed match. Some people absolutely love it though, so we'll see where you fall.

He's very good in the 8-man tag on ROH 5/22. His match with American Dragon on 6/24 got rave reviews too, but thats not out yet, and Dragon is god.

It happened in a short tag, not a single.

Sounds like BS, since Japantapes is Trent's website.

For one, when was the last time Noble got 20 minutes in the ring like Kurt Angle has multiple times? Noble is better because he's a better seller, his work is crisper, his moveset is better, he builds offense better, and he is smarter in the ring. If Knoble got the same types of opportunities Angle has, he would be putting out endless great matches too. God knows Noble vs. Eddy for 20 minutes would have been better than Angle-Eddy was. Further, I guess your point about Angle's endless **** matches in WWE is debatable, because I can only think of one that I might consider near that level.

I think he's the fourth best worker in WWE behind Benoit, Eddy, and London. The match with London in the spring was so fucking awesome, maybe the best of Knoble's career and probably somewhere in Paul's top 10. Really a super smart match that was a joy to watch. I agree with Anglesault that he has often come up short in big matches, maybe it's because of nerves. Selfishly, I'd love to see him work the indies and go 25 minutes with Danielson, as it would rock bells. Even their short velocity match was swank.

Distribution will be through themselves, they are opening (have opened) a company named ROH Video. They are actually taking phone orders now in the runup to the opening of their site. The number is there at www.rohwrestling.com. They plan on having every single show out by 7-17.

NM: Mike Johnson reported Danielson is getting his shot at Joe 8-28 in Boston. So you will get to see it live, be happy On the 7-23 card, 3 out of the 5 are surefire fabulous matches, Joe-Cide is off and on, and the 6-man should be fun. If Joe and Cide have a good night, and the other matches are given appropriate time, 7-23 could have 4 ****+ matches. Regarding Romero and Danielson....Danielson is the best worker on the planet, and Romero is a top 5 US indy worker...it is going to be fucking great. Their dojo match was like 12 minutes and fucking awesome, I expect this to get 20-25 and be a MOTYC. On 7-24, Aries-Williams and Walters-Dragon should be great on night 2, Cabana-Joe will be super fun with a hot crowd supporting Cabana in a first-ever match, the Briscoes match looks great...these cards both look great for workrate fans.

According to Meltz as of 2 months ago, buys were around 7500 a week. They have probably gone up with the TV deal, but 20-35k is just hilarious. Even Ryder would laugh at that.

The deal is that ROH cant tape events of companies RF has filming deals with.

9 pm monday would be the best. Theyd get more viewers from raw watchers changing the channel during commercial than they get now. Just being against Raw will get them more viewers than they have now.

I disagree Tom. RF created ROH because other indies were not bringing in anywhere near enough money. Further, JAPW and ECWA have both made it public that they are done using RFV. The only notable company still using them is USA Pro. I expect USA Pro to fire them too, since an investor of theirs (Anthony Diblase) was very outspoken against Rob. ROH will be selling the NJ-USA shows, and can tape any of the other indies that fired RF. Think of it this way: For the same logic that nobody would work for RF, no promotions will use him. ECWA and JAPW already fired them, more will follow, if they havent already.

edit, when I get to a non shitty cpu i will post something. It is worth noting though that Cary is about to spend an ASSLOAD to buy off the remaining 45% of ROH monday, set up a new video company, etc. He is about to majorly invest a ton more money into the company. He is a multi millionaire, and in it for the long haul.

Yeah, but they seem arbitrary as hell, and don't seem to actually mean anything concrete.

The main way to make the spotfests seem important is to have them striving for some goal. ROH got around the seemingly meaningless nature of a lot of their matches by making a rankings system, which TNA started doing too recently. I don't know if TNA is still doing it. I think ROH is about to put in a points system, with points for wins and negative points for losses, all building up to title shots, etc. I think if TNA used something like that for their juniors the matches wouldn't seem so pointless. There has to be a reason to care about who wins.

I'll do what Mike did, but without star ratings, since I have different standards anyway: Jeff really has to show that he's the real deal here. This is their first "big" show since starting the national show. I expect him to work as hard as he can, and I expect Killings to try to have the match of his life. This will likely get 15~20 minutes. Can Kash finally have a good match to go along with his good heel persona? We'll see. AJ has developed into a top 10 North American worker, but he still has the problem that has plagued him for years: He works up to the level of great opponents, but often matches the shittiness of bad opponents. Hopefully he can prove me wrong and carry Kash to something really good. Something tells me they won't get a lot of time because the real champ has a match, but I hope I'm wrong on that too. Really wierd match, could be good. Nosawa is as good as Honma, and TS had a ***1/2 match with Punk and Cabana months ago, so this could ideally be good. Miyamoto is roided out the gills and blows everything, but AMW is always good for a standard solid match. Should be fine, probably in the 8~10 minute range. Oy. Could be cool if Raven is feeling creative. Awesome!!! Not even tna can fuck this up. Ugh, I'm not sure who sucks more, Lynn or D'amore.

People are going to make a huge deal out of the ratings for the first few weeks, but the bottom line is whether or not the show is bringing more buys. With ratings so low in the mid-day, they're not going to make any more money on advertising, so they need to recoup a lot of money on buys. They need to recoup: $36,000 a week to run the show Plane flights for all the workers on the show, and the staff. The cost to rent the place The extra cost of the workers Set, Pyro, Production, etc For the 36k alone, they need to add 3600 more buys, which means the show needs to increase its viewership by about 48% to break even alone on the cost of running the show. I reached that figure using Meltzer's figure he emailed to some people a few weeks ago that the show was doing about 7,500 buys a week. The extra costs are going to be quite significant too, to the point where they will probably (overall) have to increase their ppv viewership by 60-75% just to break even. Now, we've broken even, but by breaking even on the TV show what have we accomplished? It's now back to square one, with the company bringing in the same profit margin as before, which was a negative one. In reality, the company needs the PPV show to increase its viewership by 150% or more on Wednesday nights in order to become a profitable company with a legitimate future. Can it happen? Yep. Is it a long shot? Bigger yep. As far as AJ Styles goes, he asked to be moved to the X Division, and it's going to provide for better matches. I'm sick of seeing him stuck with slugs like Jeff Jarrett, and god knows JJ matches aren't going to draw. I think with the TV show going the way it is, we will reach a point one day where people realize that Impact! is better than the PPV, and the X title will have more worth than the world title. More than ever, they need stellar matches on PPV. Styles can have 5-7 minute defenses on TV, but he needs hot 15-20 minute defenses every PPV show.