JoeDirt

Thanks for the comments so far. I remember I saw the last Clash before this show once and thought it would be interesting to see because of the concept of it, but had no idea if it was good at all.

I guess Snitski might be the winner in this feud. They credit the PWTorch newsletter, but I question it since I haven't heard that from any more credible sources yet.

I just read this on the Rajah site: "* Due to his extensive amount of indy experience, the WWE is ready to begin a push for Gene Snitsky on the main roster in the near future. The WWE’s creative team likes his size, in-ring potential, and facial expressions. They also feel that he would be able to use his real name, “Snitsky", which has the potential to be catchy and memorable for fans. * Rumors have started to surface that Kane has given his notice to WWE. The reason for the apparent notice is that Kane wasn’t happy with the substantial pay cut when renewing his contract with the company recently. We’ll have more as this develops." WTF?

Don't forget Taker's feud last summer with Cena, which consisted of Cena cutting rap promos on Taker while Taker didn't do anything. The man has it EASY, people!

Has Meltzer or anyone ever explained why the hell they chose SNITSKY as the guy to feud with Kane next? Going from a feud with HBK to a feud with Gene Snitsky...wow. I mean, they couldn't have used anyone else on the roster? It just seems weird.

Yeah, he really gets a lot of time off, doesn't he? That's RVD's problem. He never gets injured so he can have a "big comeback" and get a big push.

I wonder if Heidenreich will be able to bump around enough to have a watchable match with Taker. Probably not. His offense isn't very convincing.

*YAWN*

Sounds like they're letting them have a big brawl, with JBL bleeding and bumping a lot for Taker. Your typical Taker match in which he loses in the end.

Nope.

So Taker makes JBL look like a bitch, but we get some interference and JBL wins. That's what I'm guessing, at least.

How's the main event so far?

I don't get why they didn't have a cage match or SOMETHING to make the last match a little more interesting.

Yeah, I've never figured out the whole bit torrent thing, but everyone says you can get tons of stuff using it, like even old RAW and Nitro episodes, which I'd be very interested in getting.

What's Limewire? I want to download matches too. Filesharing program similar to Kazaa but minus the pop-up ads. I mainly use it to download wrestling matches. I have tons. I've been wondering why there's so little wrestling stuff now on Kazaa Lite. Maybe I should download Limewire instead? Never used Kazaa Lite before, but Limewire is worth a try. You can usually find alot of matches, although sometimes none come up for reasons unclear to me. I'm downloading some NJPW junior stuff and Taz vs. Tajiri from Heatwave 99 right now. For some reason for me at least, on Kazaa Lite there haven't been any of the recent WWE PPV matches on there. I have tons of stuff I got last year, but I'm finding less and less now.

What's Limewire? I want to download matches too. Filesharing program similar to Kazaa but minus the pop-up ads. I mainly use it to download wrestling matches. I have tons. I've been wondering why there's so little wrestling stuff now on Kazaa Lite. Maybe I should download Limewire instead?

What's Limewire? I want to download matches too.

Meltzer: "Billy Kidman vs. Paul London is next. Kidman won with a shooting star press after once walking out before doing it. London bit a condom or something because he had blood like crazy coming out of his mouth while on a stretcher. Kidman gave him a second shooting star press while strapped to a stretcher. Really good." Keller: "3 -- BILLY KIDMAN vs. PAUL LONDON In the pre-match video package, they showed clips of Jamie Noble giving Kidman a hard time for what he did to Chavo Guerrero Jr. There was a time during the Nitro era that Kidman was having the best matches in the country regularly, but the wear and tear along with WWE's obligatory muscle-gain slowed him down considerably since then. London opened up the match with the type of crisp suddeness that Kidman had at one point - and probably a notch or two more spetacular. London hit a nice moonsault onto Kidman at ringside. Kidman, though, soon took over control at 2:30. He stomped Lond's gut several times, then applied an armbar. Kidman then shifted to a surfboard. Kidman escaped, but Kidman quickly shifted into a gutbuster out of a fireman's carry. At 5:30 went back an armbar. He really wrenched it on to keep it realistic. London yelled in pain and kept struggling to get out. Kidman went back to stomps once London managed to escape. London fired back with a desperation elbow to the face. He followed with a string of elbows followed by a drop wheel kick. When Kidman attempted to reverse momentum, London hit an enzuigiri. Kidman countered London's powerbomb attempt into a BK Bomb for a near fall. The crowd seemed to get more and more into the match as it progressed, reacting to the moves. London sold the idea that his ribs were in great pain from the stomps by Kidman earlier. Kidman scored a very near convincing fall with a huracanrana roll-up. Kidman fired back with a strong dropkick out of nowhere. Kidman then set up the Shhooting Star Press, but he stopped before climbing to the top and began walking away. Tazz reminded viewers that he'd be fired if he didn't return to the ring. He rolled back into the ring and gave London a back suplex. London flipped onto his feet and hit a sidekick. London then went to the top rope and went for a Shooting Star Press of his own. Kidman lifted his knees. London was knocked out. Kidman then went to the top rope and hit his Shooting Star Press for the win. London was bleeding from the mouth. With medics working on London and strapping him to a backboard, Kidman hit another Shooting Star Press. Tazz and Cole both reacted with outrage. WINNER: Kidman at 10:33. STAR RATING: **3/4 -- Borderline three stars. I'd love to see these two in a longer feature PPV match. Their work was a level above what you usually see in a WWE match in some intangible ways and other more obvious ways. The post-match angle sets up a long-term feud between these two, which is good news."

Well yeah...it sure worked for RVD, right?

Meltzer: "Eddie Guerrero vs. Luther Reigns is opening the PPV. Reigns is being accompanied by Jindrak. Guerrero used the Big Bossman tribute finish, although his name was never mentioned. He used a baton from a police officer at ringside for a foreign object followed by a frog splash. Below average." Keller: "WWE UNFORGIVEN PPV REPORT OCTOBER 3, 2004 EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. Michael Cole and Tazz introduced and previewed the event. 1 -- EDDIE GUERRERO vs. LUTHER REIGNS (w/Mark Jindrak) It can't thrill the fragile psyche of Guerrero to be working an opening PPV match. After a fast-paced opening minute or two of back and forth action, Reigns began working over Guerrero's back. He bent Guerrero backwards over his knee. Guerrero kneed out of it and bailed out to ringside. Back in the ring Reigns gave Guerrero another backbreaker and bent his back over his knee. Guerrero blocked a move by Reigns and countered by pushing his feet off the top rope and slammed Reigns backward. Cole called it an "inverted DDT," which is code for Cole saying, "I have no idea what to call it but it involved someone wrapping their arms around their opponent's head. At 10:00 Guerrero went for his Three Amigos vertical suplex series. On the third suplex attempt, Reigns blocked it and dropped Guerrero face-first onto the mat. Guerrero bailed out to ringside. He yanked an object away from a security cop standing in the front row. He then hid it in his boot, reentered the ring, and dropkicked a chair-wielding Reigns into Jindrak, who was standing on the ring apron. Guerrero then went for a Frog Splash, but Reigns moved. Guerrero then yanked the stolen object (an "extension baton") out of his boot and hit Reigns with it, then landed his Frog Splash for the win. WINNER: Guerrero at 13:13. STAR RATING: *3/4 -- Okay match. Nothing wrong with it at all. It played into Guerrero's gimmick of "lying, cheating, and stealing" while giving Reigns an out for losing. -Josh Matthews asked Dawn about her comments about Haas on Smackdown, saying that she was having an affair with Haas even though Haas and Jackie had just goten engaged. Dawn barged into Jackie's locker room with a camera and told her the engagement wouldn't last long. Dawn said: "You're not even a challenge. And by the look of things, you can't even measure up." Dawn's a good, nasty heel character."

If anyone here is actually watching (or even listening to the scramble vision, I suppose), make sure to let us know what's going on.

Ok, Jindrak won with a PUNCH? WTF?

Good music video...probably the best thing of the night.

No more Narcissist Jindrak. He's back to being normal boring Mark Jindrak who will get wins now because he's in Kurt Angle's group. So is anyone here ordering this tonight?

It wasn't THAT horribly done. Cornette and company got mad at Yokozuna for losing some matches and turned on him when they brought Vader in. I guess they were just trying to think of something for Yoko to do. Kevin Nash turned all the time in WCW. I remember him justifying his heel turn once in 2000 or so by saying that was the real him, and he turned good guy every now and then so people would buy his merchandise.